For 2 universities desperately seeking a conference home, Cal and Stanford acquitted themselves well in Paris.

https://fansided.com/posts/olympic-medal-tracker-colleges-with-the-most-2024-olympic-medalists-01j3xgy7pn25

Arizona, Utah, and Florida St. didn't make the list among others. Duke and Oregon had only 3 medals each. The 4th highest ACC school is NC State with 5 medals. Harvard is well represented with 7 medals but no medals from either Yale or Princeton.

I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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I dont think the gold medal ranking is inherently more logical.

Surprised we did so much better than UCLA..

DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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So by that logic, you would argue that China had a better Olympic showing than the United States, correct? We had 122 total medals to their 90 overall, but they edged us by one gold after all.

DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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If you apply a 3-2-1 points system, Cal would still be second.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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So by that logic, you would argue that China had a better Olympic showing than the United States, correct? We had 122 total medals to their 90 overall, but they edged us by one gold after all.

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Actually the US and China tied for the most golds.

golden sloth said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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I dont think the gold medal ranking is inherently more logical.

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It's not. Why even have other medals if they're not going to count for a country's ranking?

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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So by that logic, you would argue that China had a better Olympic showing than the United States, correct? We had 122 total medals to their 90 overall, but they edged us by one gold after all.

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Actually the US and China tied for the most golds.

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Hey now!! My bad - earlier when I looked it showed them with 39 to our 38 golds. I guess the list google gave me was not updated. I see now it was 40:40 and 126:91 overall.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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I dont think the gold medal ranking is inherently more logical.

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#1 in a competition is the undisputed best. Silver and bronze is arbitrary, why not also give credit to #4? Imagine if the loser of the national championship game also gets a trophy for being second best

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golden sloth said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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I dont think the gold medal ranking is inherently more logical.

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#1 in a competition is the undisputed best. Silver and bronze is arbitrary, why not also give credit to #4? Imagine if the loser of the national championship game also gets a trophy for being second best

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Have you not watched Ricky Bobby? The mantra of 'if you're not first your last' was revealed as a flawed and ultimately empty ideaology.

Yea you're right, we all deserve credit for participation. I can't wait to see us hang up a 6-6 ACC season banner next year in memorial stadium

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Vandalus said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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So by that logic, you would argue that China had a better Olympic showing than the United States, correct? We had 122 total medals to their 90 overall, but they edged us by one gold after all.

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Actually the US and China tied for the most golds.

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The Chinese are claiming they have a total of 62 golds, as they include the two golds won by Hong Kong in their total.

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sycasey said:

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Vandalus said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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So by that logic, you would argue that China had a better Olympic showing than the United States, correct? We had 122 total medals to their 90 overall, but they edged us by one gold after all.

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Actually the US and China tied for the most golds.

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The Chinese are claiming they have a total of 62 golds, as they include the two golds won by Hong Kong in their total.

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And Taiwan's too, I suppose? Good luck to them with that.

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Yea you're right, we all deserve credit for participation. I can't wait to see us hang up a 6-6 ACC season banner next year in memorial stadium

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Being the 2nd best in the world is not "participation" (the Australian women's breakdancer). A Silver Medal is more analogous to winning the ACC, beating three teams in the CFP, then losing in the National Championship Game. And yes, in our trophy case we still proudly display the ACC Championship Trophy.

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sycasey said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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So by that logic, you would argue that China had a better Olympic showing than the United States, correct? We had 122 total medals to their 90 overall, but they edged us by one gold after all.

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Actually the US and China tied for the most golds.

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The Chinese are claiming they have a total of 62 golds, as they include the two golds won by Hong Kong in their total.

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Should we include Puerto Rico?

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sycasey said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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So by that logic, you would argue that China had a better Olympic showing than the United States, correct? We had 122 total medals to their 90 overall, but they edged us by one gold after all.

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Actually the US and China tied for the most golds.

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The Chinese are claiming they have a total of 62 golds, as they include the two golds won by Hong Kong in their total.

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Should we include Puerto Rico?

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I guess Guam as well might qualify. In all fairness though, Hong Kong today is tied to the Chinese mainland, litterally so, Shenzhen is closer to HK by train than Berkeley is to SF by BART. their claim is not that outrageous, HK operates under the basis of "one country two systems",

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Yea you're right, we all deserve credit for participation. I can't wait to see us hang up a 6-6 ACC season banner next year in memorial stadium

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Being the 2nd best in the world is not "participation" (the Australian women's breakdancer). A Silver Medal is more analogous to winning the ACC, beating three teams in the CFP, then losing in the National Championship Game. And yes, in our trophy case we still proudly display the ACC Championship Trophy.

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The Olympics are the only major competition where participants actually fight for 3rd place. See the elation of the US water polo team after beating Hungary or the women's rugby 7s after the equally dramatic win over Australia for the bronze, or the drama between Chiles and the Romanian gymnast.

In other competitions like the World Cup, the game for 3rd often is a contest between two deflated teams going through the motions.

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golden sloth said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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I dont think the gold medal ranking is inherently more logical.

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#1 in a competition is the undisputed best. Silver and bronze is arbitrary, why not also give credit to #4? Imagine if the loser of the national championship game also gets a trophy for being second best

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The entire exercise is silly. A swimmer can win 5+ medals, where as the entire Basketball Teams gets one gold

calfanz said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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golden sloth said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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I dont think the gold medal ranking is inherently more logical.

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#1 in a competition is the undisputed best. Silver and bronze is arbitrary, why not also give credit to #4? Imagine if the loser of the national championship game also gets a trophy for being second best

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The entire exercise is silly. A swimmer can win 5+ medals, where as the entire Basketball Teams gets one gold

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I do feel like the medal count should be enhanced based on how many individual athletes actually receive medals. 12 guys on a basketball team should be 12 gold medals.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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golden sloth said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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I dont think the gold medal ranking is inherently more logical.

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#1 in a competition is the undisputed best. Silver and bronze is arbitrary, why not also give credit to #4? Imagine if the loser of the national championship game also gets a trophy for being second best

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The entire exercise is silly. A swimmer can win 5+ medals, where as the entire Basketball Teams gets one gold

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I do feel like the medal count should be enhanced based on how many individual athletes actually receive medals. 12 guys on a basketball team should be 12 gold medals.

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Im pretty sure the medal count by university includes one for each player that earned gold.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Yea you're right, we all deserve credit for participation. I can't wait to see us hang up a 6-6 ACC season banner next year in memorial stadium

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Being the 2nd best in the world is not "participation" (the Australian women's breakdancer). A Silver Medal is more analogous to winning the ACC, beating three teams in the CFP, then losing in the National Championship Game. And yes, in our trophy case we still proudly display the ACC Championship Trophy.

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For many events the gold medal match is between two teams/individuals where the winner gets gold and the loser gets silver. That is much more analogous to losing the CFB championship game than winning the ACC. Do you think TCU deserves a banner for being embarrassed by Georgia on national television?

DoubtfulBear said:

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calumnus said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Yea you're right, we all deserve credit for participation. I can't wait to see us hang up a 6-6 ACC season banner next year in memorial stadium

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Being the 2nd best in the world is not "participation" (the Australian women's breakdancer). A Silver Medal is more analogous to winning the ACC, beating three teams in the CFP, then losing in the National Championship Game. And yes, in our trophy case we still proudly display the ACC Championship Trophy.

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For many events the gold medal match is between two teams/individuals where the winner gets gold and the loser gets silver. That is much more analogous to losing the CFB championship game than winning the ACC. Do you think TCU deserves a banner for being embarrassed by Georgia on national television?

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I'm pretty sure TCU did put up some kind of banner or sign commemorating their 2023 season and making it to the championship game.

Lots of basketball programs hang banners for making the Final Four.

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calumnus said:

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Yea you're right, we all deserve credit for participation. I can't wait to see us hang up a 6-6 ACC season banner next year in memorial stadium

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Being the 2nd best in the world is not "participation" (the Australian women's breakdancer). A Silver Medal is more analogous to winning the ACC, beating three teams in the CFP, then losing in the National Championship Game. And yes, in our trophy case we still proudly display the ACC Championship Trophy.

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For many events the gold medal match is between two teams/individuals where the winner gets gold and the loser gets silver. That is much more analogous to losing the CFB championship game than winning the ACC. Do you think TCU deserves a banner for being embarrassed by Georgia on national television?

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I'm pretty sure TCU did put up some kind of banner or sign commemorating their 2023 season and making it to the championship game.

Lots of basketball programs hang banners for making the Final Four.

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Lots hang banners for Sweet 16s:

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calumnus said:

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Yea you're right, we all deserve credit for participation. I can't wait to see us hang up a 6-6 ACC season banner next year in memorial stadium

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Being the 2nd best in the world is not "participation" (the Australian women's breakdancer). A Silver Medal is more analogous to winning the ACC, beating three teams in the CFP, then losing in the National Championship Game. And yes, in our trophy case we still proudly display the ACC Championship Trophy.

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For many events the gold medal match is between two teams/individuals where the winner gets gold and the loser gets silver. That is much more analogous to losing the CFB championship game than winning the ACC. Do you think TCU deserves a banner for being embarrassed by Georgia on national television?

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Do you really believe that the second fastest person on earth in the 100 meter dash deserves zero recognition?

unless they play football nobody cares

golden sloth said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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calumnus said:

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Yea you're right, we all deserve credit for participation. I can't wait to see us hang up a 6-6 ACC season banner next year in memorial stadium

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Being the 2nd best in the world is not "participation" (the Australian women's breakdancer). A Silver Medal is more analogous to winning the ACC, beating three teams in the CFP, then losing in the National Championship Game. And yes, in our trophy case we still proudly display the ACC Championship Trophy.

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For many events the gold medal match is between two teams/individuals where the winner gets gold and the loser gets silver. That is much more analogous to losing the CFB championship game than winning the ACC. Do you think TCU deserves a banner for being embarrassed by Georgia on national television?

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Do you really believe that the second fastest person on earth in the 100 meter dash deserves zero recognition?

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He is basically saying Silver and Bronze Medals should not exist and the winners of those medals should not be on the victory stand or have their national anthems played. He is entitled to his opinion, but it does not reflect the current (or past or future) reality. Silver and Bronze medals have always been awarded and always will as long as there is an Olympics.

However, I do agree that a Gold counts a lot more than a Silver (or Bronze) and "medals" overly equates the three. Thus, some kind of weighting system is appropriate. Sycasey's presented the 3-2-1 which is as good as any. In it Cal is #2.

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golden sloth said:

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calumnus said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Yea you're right, we all deserve credit for participation. I can't wait to see us hang up a 6-6 ACC season banner next year in memorial stadium

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Being the 2nd best in the world is not "participation" (the Australian women's breakdancer). A Silver Medal is more analogous to winning the ACC, beating three teams in the CFP, then losing in the National Championship Game. And yes, in our trophy case we still proudly display the ACC Championship Trophy.

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For many events the gold medal match is between two teams/individuals where the winner gets gold and the loser gets silver. That is much more analogous to losing the CFB championship game than winning the ACC. Do you think TCU deserves a banner for being embarrassed by Georgia on national television?

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Do you really believe that the second fastest person on earth in the 100 meter dash deserves zero recognition?

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He is basically saying Silver and Bronze Medals should not exist and the winners of those medals should not be on the victory stand or have their national anthems played. He is entitled to his opinion, but it does not reflect the current (or past or future) reality. Silver and Bronze medals have always been awarded and always will as long as there is an Olympics.

However, I do agree that a Gold counts a lot more than a Silver (or Bronze) and "medals" overly equates the three. Thus, some kind of weighting system is appropriate.

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I kind of recall in some old computer game or something that golds count as 3, silver as 2, and bronze as 1.

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golden sloth said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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calumnus said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Yea you're right, we all deserve credit for participation. I can't wait to see us hang up a 6-6 ACC season banner next year in memorial stadium

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Being the 2nd best in the world is not "participation" (the Australian women's breakdancer). A Silver Medal is more analogous to winning the ACC, beating three teams in the CFP, then losing in the National Championship Game. And yes, in our trophy case we still proudly display the ACC Championship Trophy.

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For many events the gold medal match is between two teams/individuals where the winner gets gold and the loser gets silver. That is much more analogous to losing the CFB championship game than winning the ACC. Do you think TCU deserves a banner for being embarrassed by Georgia on national television?

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Do you really believe that the second fastest person on earth in the 100 meter dash deserves zero recognition?

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He is basically saying Silver and Bronze Medals should not exist and the winners of those medals should not be on the victory stand or have their national anthems played. He is entitled to his opinion, but it does not reflect the current (or past or future) reality. Silver and Bronze medals have always been awarded and always will as long as there is an Olympics.

However, I do agree that a Gold counts a lot more than a Silver (or Bronze) and "medals" overly equates the three. Thus, some kind of weighting system is appropriate.

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AFAIK they still only play the anthem for the Gold Medal winner. But otherwise, yeah.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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golden sloth said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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I see that we have adopted the total medal ranking to look better rather than the more logical gold medal ranking

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I dont think the gold medal ranking is inherently more logical.

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#1 in a competition is the undisputed best. Silver and bronze is arbitrary, why not also give credit to #4? Imagine if the loser of the national championship game also gets a trophy for being second best

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The entire exercise is silly. A swimmer can win 5+ medals, where as the entire Basketball Teams gets one gold

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This, by the way, is how China runs up its gold medal count. They specifically identify events where:

1. One great athlete can win multiple medals.
2. The Americans are not all that competitive.

And they drive their entire athletic program towards those sports. That's why they are so good at diving and table tennis and don't care about basketball or soccer. For the latter, you need multiple great athletes to win one medal. In a more free country like the US, a lot of it is down to which sports people actually like to play. Sure the US Olympic Committee can help facilitate and direct athletes to given sports, but there isn't the same kind of top-down control the CCP has.

Heresy, like saying the Dodgers can't fly their NL West division championship flags

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Heresy, like saying the Dodgers can't fly their NL West division championship flags

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The Dodgers have 7 national championships and 22 NL pennants and won the NL West division 10 of the last 11 years, much helped by how extraordinarily awful the giants and Rockies are. It all matters although the World Series is the main goal.

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Anarchistbear said:

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Heresy, like saying the Dodgers can't fly their NL West division championship flags

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The Dodgers have 7 national championships and 22 NL pennants and won the NL West division 10 of the last 11 years, much helped by how extraordinarily awful the giants and Rockies are. It all matters although the World Series is the main goal.

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Hey hey hey, I'll have you know the Giants were mostly depressingly mediocre in that time, not awful.

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unless they play football nobody cares

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Love ya shocky, but I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you on this hot take.