The song choice cracked me up! Would have loved an acoustic of Start Me Up :-)Anarchistbear said:
lol, Sympathy for the Devil..is this a Stanford or ACC reference?
https://news.berkeley.edu/2024/08/28/chancellor-lyons-welcomes-uc-berkeley-to-a-new-academic-year/bearsandgiants said:
Show me some substance. Still waiting.
Telling top boosters that a male sport at Cal isn't going to exist in the future without full endowment is pretty "substantial" to me, but hey, just my opinion....bearsandgiants said:
Show me some substance. Still waiting.
I don't find your shtick humorous.Gobears49 said:
Was Chancellor Lyons seated on the podium? Which one is he in the video?
Gobears49 said:
Was Chancellor Lyons seated on the podium? Which one is he in the video?
What we have already seen is Lyons giving specific direction for the department....Knowlton is already in a different role. Does that mean keep him? No, but I don't care if he is a lacky and his salary is saved in the short run....Bearly Clad said:
I'm excited by what I've seen so far but my real judgement with regards to Lyons from the lens of California athletics will be based (positively or negatively) by how he handles Knowlton. If he holds him accountable for the swimming debacle and uses that as grounds to terminate the contract and get a real AD in there to support our programs and make better hires then it's a win. If it's all lip service and he lets the department continue to flounder then all the fun, quirky clips and surface level support mean nothing
Econ141 said:
He is in a new role? Do you know what he is responsible for now and how do you know this? Is Lyons then acting as the effective AD on his own?
mbBear said:Econ141 said:
He is in a new role? Do you know what he is responsible for now and how do you know this? Is Lyons then acting as the effective AD on his own?
New in terms of Lyons laying out the agenda. Day to day function? No clue, but Lyons put out the keys points to the big boosters on the call. Fully endowed men's sports: that's saying the status quo is changing.
Also, saying that athletic success is fundamental to the university is so much more than anything Knowlton has ever talked about.
I applaud Chancellor Lyon's effort and but let's put some perspective on this. Sympathy for the Devil was a hit in 1969, so it's 55 years-old. We Boomers (and maybe some Gen Xers) think it's a great song. But what if the Chancellor had gotten up and sang a 50+ year-old hit song when we were freshmen. Here's what we might have heard:TheFiatLux said:The song choice cracked me up! Would have loved an acoustic of Start Me Up :-)Anarchistbear said:
lol, Sympathy for the Devil..is this a Stanford or ACC reference?
Well, there were no blanket statement, no across the board requirements, best I can remember, best I am told. Sports were mostly saved through donations, not endowments.calumnus said:mbBear said:Econ141 said:
He is in a new role? Do you know what he is responsible for now and how do you know this? Is Lyons then acting as the effective AD on his own?
New in terms of Lyons laying out the agenda. Day to day function? No clue, but Lyons put out the keys points to the big boosters on the call. Fully endowed men's sports: that's saying the status quo is changing.
Also, saying that athletic success is fundamental to the university is so much more than anything Knowlton has ever talked about.
I thought when we went through the last round of potential sports cutting men's sports were saved by requiring that they be fully endowed?
And we need to go further. What needs to happen now is men's sports need to be MORE than fully endowed. Their very existence requires an equivalent women's sport under TItle IX, so BOTH the men's and women's team need to be fully endowed to continue the men's sport. They need to be seen as a package that together needs to be fully endowed.
HearstMining said:I applaud Chancellor Lyon's effort and but let's put some perspective on this. Sympathy for the Devil was a hit in 1969, so it's 55 years-old. We Boomers (and maybe some Gen Xers) think it's a great song. But what if the Chancellor had gotten up and sang a 50+ year-old hit song when we were freshmen. Here's what we might have heard:TheFiatLux said:The song choice cracked me up! Would have loved an acoustic of Start Me Up :-)Anarchistbear said:
lol, Sympathy for the Devil..is this a Stanford or ACC reference?
Incoming class,
1970: Swanee - Al Jolson (1920)
1975: Sweet Georgia Brown - Bessie Smith (1925)
1980: Happy Days Are Here Again - Ben Selvin (1930)
1985: Cheek to Cheek - Fred Astair OR The Good Ship Lollipop - Shirley Temple
1990: In The Mood - Glenn Miller (1940)
2000: Mona Lisa - Nat King Cole (1950)
2010: The Twist - Chubby Checker (1960)
These are all great songs, but I didn't appreciate them when I was 18 years-old. I hate to say it, but Chancellor Lyon might have been better off playing something by Taylor Swift or, dare I say it, Meegan Thee Stallion. Still, nice effort, Rich!
mbBear said:Well, there were no blanket statement, no across the board requirements, best I can remember, best I am told. Sports were mostly saved through donations, not endowments.calumnus said:mbBear said:Econ141 said:
He is in a new role? Do you know what he is responsible for now and how do you know this? Is Lyons then acting as the effective AD on his own?
New in terms of Lyons laying out the agenda. Day to day function? No clue, but Lyons put out the keys points to the big boosters on the call. Fully endowed men's sports: that's saying the status quo is changing.
Also, saying that athletic success is fundamental to the university is so much more than anything Knowlton has ever talked about.
I thought when we went through the last round of potential sports cutting men's sports were saved by requiring that they be fully endowed?
And we need to go further. What needs to happen now is men's sports need to be MORE than fully endowed. Their very existence requires an equivalent women's sport under TItle IX, so BOTH the men's and women's team need to be fully endowed to continue the men's sport. They need to be seen as a package that together needs to be fully endowed.
I have no argument with your theory and proposal. I guess I would ask, is it incumbent on Men's Rowing to supplement Women's Rowing because they both use shells? Is baseball on the hook for softball, or is that different enough? Obviously, Field Hockey, Beach Volleyball, and Lacrosse have no equivalency.
They have a Title IX landscape to navigate...the options on that front have changed over the last few years, but it's hard see a Cal world without some hard decisions. And look, some women's sports have more endowment than others, so who knows how that drives the final decisions.
But, if the starting point is that football and Men's basketball have a broad and global importance to the University beyond the athletic department, then we have a perspective that has not been seen in the lifetime of anyone here....
