BarcaBear said:

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Somebody came up with that terrible chant in the 80s? That's just sad. It needs an update. Keep the "What?" and "Bear Territory", but ditch the "story" and "whole world"part

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So your proposal is that the chant simply goes "You know it" "This is Bear Territory!"?

You literally still haven't said what song you're talking about. You keep being intentionally vague which ai weird. Just name the song, bruh.

It's incredible how many folks struggle with reading the thread. I said it needs to be rewritten. get rid of the annoying parts, nowhere did I say only keep the words what and bear territory. LAIC, bruh. This also isn't a proposal, it's a comment about a crappy song. you're not some authority that is reviewing proposals. Y'all are hella weird.

I might argue that the chant actually has two legitimate iterations that one could refer to as the "song" and the "yell". I originally learned the "song" without the "what?!". The space between "You know it." and "You tell the story." is actually a couple of silent beats requiring a modicum of musical discipline, and not an easy feat when sung by a crowd.

What's great about the "What?!" part of the "yell" chant is that it reinforces the start of the chant, making a very satisfying call and response.

If someone shouts "You know it!", a brain has to instantly decide if it's actually an appropriate time for the chant. If it is, then you hear the "What?!". Then after the "What?!", the "yell" chant is on! In this way I believe the "What?!" actually makes the chant more effective and more fun when used as a yell, like the players do.

Class dismissed. 8-)

I am old enough to remember the melt down by some on this board when the "What" chant evolved and took hold. Traditionalists were clutching their pearls. The more reasonable minded asked "Why are some folks getting so worked up over a high school chant?"

If I recall correctly (no guarantee), someone here posted that the originator of the Cal "Bear Territory " chant adapted it from a similar chant at his high school (and others).

BarcaBear said:

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You literally still haven't said what song you're talking about. You keep being intentionally vague which ai weird. Just name the song, bruh.

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You made it clear in the other thread you are THE hip hop scholar, since bein' knee-high to a duck. (RIP) How do you not know the song? You know everything about rap, right? This song has been discussed on this board for this reason before. It's not hard to find. https://bearinsider.com/forums/2/topics/90455 LOL.

Anyways here you go:

"Tell yo mamma (hey) and tell yo daddy (hey) tell the whole damn world this is Madden Territory"



Countdown to you listening to it then coming back to explain how his version is soooo much better and different and just reinforces your point and the rest of us rolling our eyes.

BarcaBear said:

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It's incredible how many folks struggle with reading the thread. I said it needs to be rewritten. get rid of the annoying parts, nowhere did I say only keep the words what and bear territory. LAIC, bruh. This also isn't a proposal, it's a comment about a crappy song. you're not some authority that is reviewing proposals. Y'all are hella weird.

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What's incredible is that you claim to have more knowledge and authority than everyone else. It's also hilarious that you claimed I made your point without ever having heard the Snoop version, which only drives the first point home even harder.

I really hesitated to comment because sometimes I school people so hard that it comes off mean spirited. But...sometimes folks make such terrible arguments lacking knowledge that for the education of others I respond.

Y'all know when 50 was asked why he didn't respond to Nick Cannon dissing him, and 50 said cuz Nick's corny and nothing he's even said makes him think ooh, bars ,I got to respond. Yeah, this is like that.

What you mean to say was interpolation, not sampling. Theat corny song he made for a video game takes lyrics and modified them, that's called interpolation, not sampling.

IT was also a really odd claim you made about amping because I kept trying to think of their was a particular melody he sampled, but there isn't a melody, and the cadence of the chant varies depending on who the mic man was leading rh chant.

I'm not an expert on hip hop, but I do know more than you on this subject. More importantly, I'm willing to do research and think critically about what is being said. I am not married to arguments, if someone posts some legit knowledge I welcome it.

That other thread left you a little fragile, and possibly the miseducated folks liking your posts, as well. That thread was about Kenny being called out for misogyny, racism, exploitation of black women's trauma. That wasn't.a discussion about melodies, beats, bars and rhyme schemes. It was about the content. Which is exactly why critical thinking was necessary, bruh. You can feel some kinda way about that, but don't get it twisted.

I'm also really keen on well thought out arguments, something yours are lacking so I tried doing your homework for you. I didn't spend too much time on it because it's not that important, so if you have actual additional information, like a Snoop interview stating where he first heard the lyrics, then do yourself a favour and share it.

Back to your argument. You don't know whether Cal's Bear Territory song is what Snoop interpolated. As others have pointed out, in the past 30 years some highschools have done their own interpolation of the lyrics. Meaning Snoops interpolation may well be an interpolation of an interpolation. You don't know where he heard the song, so you can tangentially say it's Cal, but it wouldn't necessarily be accurate. You just don't know.

However, if you paid attention to what I said I thought the "story" part was corny, but thought the what and Bear Territory should be kept Snoops interpolation pretty much does that. Switched Hey in place of What, and keeps Bear Territory part. And its a hell of a lot better than our corny chant.

Btw, I don't play video games or listen to snoop religiously, so why on earth would I have heard that song before? lolol i sincerely doubt you're familiar with the hip hop I listen to. Just remember, it's okay that people know more than you. I'm sure you have some specialized knowledge somewhere on some subject. Hope your feelings weren't hurt again.

Perhaps someone can reach out to Snoop and ask if we can use his lyrics instead of ours, cuz i'd rather be chanting, "Tell your mama (Hey) and tell your daddy (Hey)
Now tell the whole damn world this is Bear territory!"

Word to your mother