I'd take either one over Wilcox.Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
southseasbear said:I'd take either one over Wilcox.Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
We might have won if we had a coach who prioritized the Oline.calumnus said:Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..
If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL."
bearsandgiants said:We might have won if we had a coach who prioritized the Oline.calumnus said:Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..
If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL."
even Tony Elliott has more potential than WilcoxGolden One said:southseasbear said:I'd take either one over Wilcox.Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
I'd take ANYONE over Wilcox. Is there a worse head coach in P4 football?
calumnus said:Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..
If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.
Wilcox at 50 is a surprise given there is no heat on him at all.Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
Big C said:calumnus said:Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..
If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.
Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"
He did well coaching Louisiana (Lafayette) but there are issues at Florida that go beyond Napier and the tough schedule does not help eitherTypiCal said:
We would all probably take Napier now. Only Question is why hasn't his LSU success transfer over to Florida. Of course Billy Boy wouldn't touch Cal with a 10-ft pole even if we doubled his salary.
do they know that we don't have the $$$ to sack him for another few years? Why waste a good top ten spot for something that won't be done, no matter what... Unless, of course, Lyons sacks the AD, but he wouldn't do that before the end of the season. He knows not to let the AD sack and replace JW.Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
Gobears49 said:
Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.Gobears49 said:
Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Bowlesman80 said:Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.Gobears49 said:
Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.
calumnus said:Big C said:calumnus said:Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..
If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.
Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"
Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.
Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com
1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90
Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63
Holmoe average #63
Wilcox average #71
Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66
Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.
The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.
A Knowlton replacement will waste no time in getting rid of JW. Could happen this year, if Lyons can round up the dough.Bowlesman80 said:Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.Gobears49 said:
Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.
bearsandgiants said:calumnus said:Big C said:calumnus said:Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..
If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.
Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"
Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.
Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com
1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90
Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63
Holmoe average #63
Wilcox average #71
Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66
Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.
The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.
Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.
calumnus said:bearsandgiants said:calumnus said:Big C said:calumnus said:Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..
If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.
Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"
Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.
Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com
1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90
Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63
Holmoe average #63
Wilcox average #71
Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66
Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.
The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.
Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.
Holmoe actually recruited fairly well as Tedford demonstrated in 2002. It is a great example of the difference good coaching vs bad coaching can make.
And many people on this board also defended Holmoe by denigrating the players, especially the OL. Tedford blew that theory out of the water.
Lyons may be another tien. all mouth and no action. Besides his job is the academic side. He has enough trouble that UC Berkeley is not the no.1 public school according to recent ratings.Rushinbear said:A Knowlton replacement will waste no time in getting rid of JW. Could happen this year, if Lyons can round up the dough.Bowlesman80 said:Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.Gobears49 said:
Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.
oski003 said:calumnus said:bearsandgiants said:calumnus said:Big C said:calumnus said:Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..
If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.
Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"
Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.
Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com
1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90
Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63
Holmoe average #63
Wilcox average #71
Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66
Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.
The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.
Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.
Holmoe actually recruited fairly well as Tedford demonstrated in 2002. It is a great example of the difference good coaching vs bad coaching can make.
And many people on this board also defended Holmoe by denigrating the players, especially the OL. Tedford blew that theory out of the water.
How does Holmoe have a winless season and be ranked #63 and Wilcox have a 3-3 season and be ranked #65? Your posts are so misleading. Holmoe had 12 totals wins in 5 seasons.
oski003 said:calumnus said:bearsandgiants said:calumnus said:Big C said:calumnus said:Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..
If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.
Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"
Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.
Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com
1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90
Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63
Holmoe average #63
Wilcox average #71
Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66
Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.
The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.
Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.
Holmoe actually recruited fairly well as Tedford demonstrated in 2002. It is a great example of the difference good coaching vs bad coaching can make.
And many people on this board also defended Holmoe by denigrating the players, especially the OL. Tedford blew that theory out of the water.
How does Holmoe have a winless season and be ranked #63 and Wilcox have a 3-3 season and be ranked #65? Your posts are so misleading. Holmoe had 12 totals wins in 5 seasons.
What about budget then on the athletic side? Doesn't he have oversight responsibility for that? A bloated athletic department that continues to lose money. He's either got to cut budget, increase revenue of risk continuing to have the department run a deficit. Not necessarily a football issue (if he really doesn't care about football) but football is the biggest revenue driver if he decides to go that route to balance the budget.LodeBear said:Lyons may be another tien. all mouth and no action. Besides his job is the academic side. He has enough trouble that UC Berkeley is not the no.1 public school according to recent ratings.Rushinbear said:A Knowlton replacement will waste no time in getting rid of JW. Could happen this year, if Lyons can round up the dough.Bowlesman80 said:Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.Gobears49 said:
Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.
calumnus said:oski003 said:calumnus said:bearsandgiants said:calumnus said:Big C said:calumnus said:Ccajon2 said:
Seems like should be in the top 10. I'm not sure the owners of the site really care, just in it for whatever ad revenues they can Garner, thus little research. Sonny Cumbie, Dave Aranda and Billy Napier are obvious as the top 3, but I'd have Wilcox in the top 10, at least.
Other coaches of Note: Sonny Sykes #20, Mack Brown #27.
The ranking must take into account: 1) Knowlton 2) the ridiculous contract extension Knowlton gave Wilcox, 3) the poor financial situation Cal is in due to Knowlton and Wilcox 4) the penchant for a large number of Cal fans to make excuses for certain coaches and instead blame the players for 8 years and running.,..
If Wilcox finishes 6-6 and gets to a minor bowl and loses again his defenders on this board will both celebrate and make excuses "we made a bowl and might have won if we had a better OL" and his seat will barely be warm. Unless we can convince Rivera to take the job it's deferred compensation.
Just a guess, but I doubt they're even taking the contract/buyout into account. They're probably thinking, "Cal, they're , like, a .500 team and... they're .500! Wilcox is a great fit for Cal!"
Self-fulfilling expectations. We extended Holmoe too.
Holmoe's team rankings in Sports-Reference.com
1997 #58
1998 #47
1999 #65
2000 #56
2001 #90
Wilcox
2017 #72
2018 #65
2019 #46
2020 #105
2021 #81
2022 #74
2023 #61
2024 #63
Holmoe average #63
Wilcox average #71
Wilcox average with 2020 thrown out #66
Wilcox is at best just as bad as Holmoe, he has just been given twice as long to prove it.
The reasons are all there before our eyes, even if we beat most of the scrubs remaining on our schedule and get to a bowl, that he will lose.
Wilcox has better talent (to work with) than Holmoe did too, in general.
Holmoe actually recruited fairly well as Tedford demonstrated in 2002. It is a great example of the difference good coaching vs bad coaching can make.
And many people on this board also defended Holmoe by denigrating the players, especially the OL. Tedford blew that theory out of the water.
How does Holmoe have a winless season and be ranked #63 and Wilcox have a 3-3 season and be ranked #65? Your posts are so misleading. Holmoe had 12 totals wins in 5 seasons.
Holmoe's 1 win season (not winless) was with the #90 ranked team, not #63. We used to play only 11 games and didn't pay FCS teams every year. That is 14 extra wins against patsies for Wilcox
The academic rankings can be swung by athletic rankings.LodeBear said:Lyons may be another tien. all mouth and no action. Besides his job is the academic side. He has enough trouble that UC Berkeley is not the no.1 public school according to recent ratings.Rushinbear said:A Knowlton replacement will waste no time in getting rid of JW. Could happen this year, if Lyons can round up the dough.Bowlesman80 said:Yeah, I think Lyons is in assessment mode.Gobears49 said:
Another think that bothers me is that Knowlton seems to spend a great deal of his time staying in a house in Utah or Colorado, where he helps run some sort of real estate business with his sons. What AD gets a deal like that? He should be spending all of his time working at Cal.
Notice that Knowlton, uncharacteristically, bothered to be at the Auburn game, when Lyons, himself, was there? I think we can count on Lyons demanding improved performance benchmarks. He seems to "get" the importance of school spirit and reputation in all endeavors.
I would say Knowlton's seat is warmer than Wilcox's.
BarcaBear said:
Spare everyone the hyperbole. In the 15 years I've been following discussions the coaches are seen as responsible damn near 100% of the time. Rightfully so.
Coaches are blamed for not coaching up players, failing to keep them conditioned and healthy, bad scheming, failure to hire better coaches, etc.
The only times I've seen players blamed was Kevin Riley and DeSean in 2007 for on field bloopers or locker room stuff. And on occasion bad QB selection, but that always led to fingers pointing at coaches.
bearsandgiants said:
Damn it this is the ****ing ACC, and we're dead ****ing last! **** this ***** We should be undefeated. Fml
BarcaBear said:
Spare everyone the hyperbole. In the 15 years I've been following discussions the coaches are seen as responsible damn near 100% of the time. Rightfully so.
Coaches are blamed for not coaching up players, failing to keep them conditioned and healthy, bad scheming, failure to hire better coaches, etc.
The only times I've seen players blamed was Kevin Riley and DeSean in 2007 for on field bloopers or locker room stuff. And on occasion bad QB selection, but that always led to fingers pointing at coaches.
This is why I disagreed with those who felt we should self-relegate to the MWC where we could be more successful. Wilcox without the talent that will indubitably leave will continue to be mediocre in a less competitive conference.calumnus said:bearsandgiants said:
Damn it this is the ****ing ACC, and we're dead ****ing last! **** this ***** We should be undefeated. Fml
Who thought we would go into November looking up at Stanford in the standings?
We are in dead last and two teams that have no other conference wins have their lone win against us.
If and when we eventually get it, our first ACC win will not come until November, after the election.
And yes, with just competent coaching we are easily 7-0 (4-0), ranked and on our way to the conference championship game.
