what's the lesser of two evils?

- buy a ticket to boo the team

- stay home

Golden One said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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Big C said:

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In any event, we agreed to the contract. I remember thinking, "Why that long of an extension for a coach that has already been here for four years (or was it five) and has somewhat underperformed at that?"

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"Somewhat underperformed"? How about "completely underperformed"!

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Completely underperforming would be zero wins, not a few plays at the end of games to go undefeated.

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I respectfully disagree. A head coach making $5,000,000 annually with a conference record of 21 wins and 40 losses is definitely completely underperforming. That's exactly what winning only 1/3 of your conference games is. No other way to slice it.

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Completely means complete.
- in reality, Wilcox's record could be FAR worse.
I was just pointing that out.

82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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bigtuba1 said:

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Will the fans boo Wilcox before the NC State Game? I know I'm tempted.

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I've just read the rest of the comments in this thread.
As you've been so thoroughly rebuked, I nominate this as WORST POST OF THE YEAR.

"Hey everybody! Let's go to the game Saturday so we can boo our team! Won't that be fun?"

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I can't imagine many doing this. Everyone around us the alumni section were pretty resigned to, "Well, that's Cal football " after Miami. Heard no boos or even loud fans. I can't imagine students doing this. They've got a party to get to after the game. That leaves the end zones. Don't know who's there. I'm more likely to boo the f-ing rap blasting two hours before the game when no players are on the field and only us old people are seated trying to enjoy the day.

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Agreed

Guess we can just agree to disagree regarding Wilcox.

Golden One said:

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Guess we can just agree to disagree regarding Wilcox.

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Would you have rather lost these 3 games in the 2nd or 3rd quarters instead of the final minutes??
Or lost every game?

I'll grant you, a person can lose their job for a .500 record.
But at least we've nearly won EVERY game!

82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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Big C said:

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In any event, we agreed to the contract. I remember thinking, "Why that long of an extension for a coach that has already been here for four years (or was it five) and has somewhat underperformed at that?"

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"Somewhat underperformed"? How about "completely underperformed"!

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Completely underperforming would be zero wins, not a few plays at the end of games to go undefeated.

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I respectfully disagree. A head coach making $5,000,000 annually with a conference record of 21 wins and 40 losses is definitely completely underperforming. That's exactly what winning only 1/3 of your conference games is. No other way to slice it.

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Completely means complete.
- in reality, Wilcox's record could be FAR worse.
I was just pointing that out.

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I think the reason for the extreme frustration this year is that Wilcox is performing at his normal level when we all thought he had
1. An easy schedule
2. A lot of talent coming in due to lots of NIL spending

Basically, we were fooled into thinking we could at least get a fair amount more wins. Instead we've appeared to be running in place, AGAIN, with Wilcox. And it's frustrating to know it was Knowlton inflicted and we are only in the middle of a very long, very slow moving bad journey. It just feels way worse.

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One scenario is we win out, he's hired away from us, we save 15mm to spend on a new hire, and we fire knowton first. Guarantee if we win 9 games he's going to have offers.

bearsandgiants said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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Big C said:

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In any event, we agreed to the contract. I remember thinking, "Why that long of an extension for a coach that has already been here for four years (or was it five) and has somewhat underperformed at that?"

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"Somewhat underperformed"? How about "completely underperformed"!

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Completely underperforming would be zero wins, not a few plays at the end of games to go undefeated.

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I respectfully disagree. A head coach making $5,000,000 annually with a conference record of 21 wins and 40 losses is definitely completely underperforming. That's exactly what winning only 1/3 of your conference games is. No other way to slice it.

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Completely means complete.
- in reality, Wilcox's record could be FAR worse.
I was just pointing that out.

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I think the reason for the extreme frustration this year is that Wilcox is performing at his normal level when we all thought he had
1. An easy schedule
2. A lot of talent coming in due to lots of NIL spending

Basically, we were fooled into thinking we could at least get a fair amount more wins. Instead we've appeared to be running in place, AGAIN, with Wilcox. And it's frustrating to know it was Knowlton inflicted and we are only in the middle of a very long, very slow moving bad journey. It just feels way worse.

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One scenario is we win out, he's hired away from us, we save 15mm to spend on a new hire, and we fire knowton first. Guarantee if we win 9 games he's going to have offers.

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NCS will speak volumes.

DoubtfulBear said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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Big C said:

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In any event, we agreed to the contract. I remember thinking, "Why that long of an extension for a coach that has already been here for four years (or was it five) and has somewhat underperformed at that?"

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"Somewhat underperformed"? How about "completely underperformed"!

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Completely underperforming would be zero wins, not a few plays at the end of games to go undefeated.

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I respectfully disagree. A head coach making $5,000,000 annually with a conference record of 21 wins and 40 losses is definitely completely underperforming. That's exactly what winning only 1/3 of your conference games is. No other way to slice it.

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Completely means complete.
- in reality, Wilcox's record could be FAR worse.
I was just pointing that out.

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I think the reason for the extreme frustration this year is that Wilcox is performing at his normal level when we all thought he had
1. An easy schedule
2. A lot of talent coming in due to lots of NIL spending

Basically, we were fooled into thinking we could at least get a fair amount more wins. Instead we've appeared to be running in place, AGAIN, with Wilcox. And it's frustrating to know it was Knowlton inflicted and we are only in the middle of a very long, very slow moving bad journey. It just feels way worse.

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One scenario is we win out, he's hired away from us, we save 15mm to spend on a new hire, and we fire knowton first. Guarantee if we win 9 games he's going to have offers.

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No way in hell we are winning out. I doubt Wilcox's longest win streak is more than 3

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I certainly don't doubt your doubt, DoubtfulBear.

DoubtfulBear said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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Big C said:

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In any event, we agreed to the contract. I remember thinking, "Why that long of an extension for a coach that has already been here for four years (or was it five) and has somewhat underperformed at that?"

---

"Somewhat underperformed"? How about "completely underperformed"!

---

Completely underperforming would be zero wins, not a few plays at the end of games to go undefeated.

---

I respectfully disagree. A head coach making $5,000,000 annually with a conference record of 21 wins and 40 losses is definitely completely underperforming. That's exactly what winning only 1/3 of your conference games is. No other way to slice it.

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Completely means complete.
- in reality, Wilcox's record could be FAR worse.
I was just pointing that out.

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I think the reason for the extreme frustration this year is that Wilcox is performing at his normal level when we all thought he had
1. An easy schedule
2. A lot of talent coming in due to lots of NIL spending

Basically, we were fooled into thinking we could at least get a fair amount more wins. Instead we've appeared to be running in place, AGAIN, with Wilcox. And it's frustrating to know it was Knowlton inflicted and we are only in the middle of a very long, very slow moving bad journey. It just feels way worse.

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One scenario is we win out, he's hired away from us, we save 15mm to spend on a new hire, and we fire knowton first. Guarantee if we win 9 games he's going to have offers.

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No way in hell we are winning out. I doubt Wilcox's longest win streak is more than 3

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Cal won 4 in a row to start off the 2019 season.

chazzed said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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concordtom said:

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Golden One said:

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Big C said:

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In any event, we agreed to the contract. I remember thinking, "Why that long of an extension for a coach that has already been here for four years (or was it five) and has somewhat underperformed at that?"

---

"Somewhat underperformed"? How about "completely underperformed"!

---

Completely underperforming would be zero wins, not a few plays at the end of games to go undefeated.

---

I respectfully disagree. A head coach making $5,000,000 annually with a conference record of 21 wins and 40 losses is definitely completely underperforming. That's exactly what winning only 1/3 of your conference games is. No other way to slice it.

---

Completely means complete.
- in reality, Wilcox's record could be FAR worse.
I was just pointing that out.

---

I think the reason for the extreme frustration this year is that Wilcox is performing at his normal level when we all thought he had
1. An easy schedule
2. A lot of talent coming in due to lots of NIL spending

Basically, we were fooled into thinking we could at least get a fair amount more wins. Instead we've appeared to be running in place, AGAIN, with Wilcox. And it's frustrating to know it was Knowlton inflicted and we are only in the middle of a very long, very slow moving bad journey. It just feels way worse.

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One scenario is we win out, he's hired away from us, we save 15mm to spend on a new hire, and we fire knowton first. Guarantee if we win 9 games he's going to have offers.

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No way in hell we are winning out. I doubt Wilcox's longest win streak is more than 3

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Cal won 4 in a row to start off the 2019 season.

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Off of recruits from Dykes. Clearly we need the combined forces of an amazing offensive recruiter and all of Sebasta's NIL efforts just to have a 8-5 season that would be average for a coach like Pat Narduzzi

I understand anyone having the inclination to go to the game and boo because of some of the things we've seen, especially this season is understandable. I really do.

That being said, is booing:

1) Going to make the team player better? No
2) Going to have any effect on the Cal administrators making a decision about Wilcox? No
3) Possibly demoralize our players for the game (Note: I stated "possibly.") Yes

Booing doesn't make sense.

I don't think booing is appropriate for any one player. I don't think I've ever seen a crowd single out one home player for booing/ridicule because their play was so awful that it merited it. perhaps there are examples. I don't know and I don't think, even in that respect, booing is appropriate.

What I think fans do have a right to do, is show their displeasure with the product. Now, say we're down 14-0 at the first break. Then what? Are we to boo the players? No. The coaches? Perhaps. The administration? Yes. But if you do hear booing in the stadium, I think its more a "commentary" on the product we're seeing, rather than one or a few individual players being singled out. I think we as fans know the difference. And, honestly, I think the players do as well.

Booing is a spontaneous reaction by fans. Nobody goes to a game to boo in advance- ok, maybe, in Philadelphia.

But when a paid sports event stinks, booing happens

I've heard boos before in Memorial, It's a top down phenomenon. Even if it weren't, players with NFL aspirations may consider it as a tutorial

philly1121 said:

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I don't think booing is appropriate for any one player. I don't think I've ever seen a crowd single out one home player for booing/ridicule because their play was so awful that it merited it. perhaps there are examples. I don't know and I don't think, even in that respect, booing is appropriate.

What I think fans do have a right to do, is show their displeasure with the product. Now, say we're down 14-0 at the first break. Then what? Are we to boo the players? No. The coaches? Perhaps. The administration? Yes. But if you do hear booing in the stadium, I think its more a "commentary" on the product we're seeing, rather than one or a few individual players being singled out. I think we as fans know the difference. And, honestly, I think the players do as well.

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You make good points. But our players are out there trying to win. Last time I checked, when you're at a game its very difficult to differentiate a "player boo" from a "product boo." And honestly even if the players were to hear a "Wilcox sucks" type of a cheer, do you really think that will motivate the players to play better? I don't think so, in fact I think it just puts more pressure on them.

I think we all know the players are trying their best. But this isn't Pop Warner. This is recital for playing on Sundays. Players know this and so do coaches. I think we win against NC State. But, on the odd chance that we don't - and if the manner of the loss is a blown lead - then I think the football program can expect to hear about it in one of the only ways fans can directly express their dissatisfaction.

Didn't need to -- he was dealing with "giveaway Knowlton."

I attended Cal in the late 60's. I read that, before I started at Cal, someone displayed a sign at Cal stating "When Is Marv Levying."