Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

And to the ACC until 2036, thankfully.

Why do these threads keep popping up. Unless the ACC folds we are there until 2036

No, no, and no. Even a broken ACC (if/when FSU, Clemson leave) >>> Current P12

Even with a partial ACC media money share for several years, it's still far more money than the next Pac-8 media contract is likely to yield.

Terrible no good idea.

I don't care what league we play in. As long as Cal has home games against decent opponents I'm good. I think , obviously, the money is a big deal but more importantly, what do the players and staff think of traveling across country for half your games each year feel? That should be one of the driving factors. I'm sure it will be money though unless there is some fallout due to the long travel times.

We just saw what would happen if we joined the Mountain West (now called the Pac-12). Our talent level would dramatically drop to what Oregon St displayed on Saturday. It would be a monumental fall from grace - a big no from me.

Absolutely not.

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get out of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of Fresno State.

Is the idea that if Cal played in a non-powet conference, we would do better?

I feel like this is a situation where simple minds forget that Cal would not be bringing Power Money, Power Recruiting, etc. we would lose probably half the team overnight, most of the revenue (and with the debt we have that would mean substantially lower football funding than the rest of the conference), most of the fan support (SJSU almost was relegated on fan support in the bay area. Cal drew 32k on Saturday, and Furd draws almost no fans at all), and would very likely go from being bottom of the conference to bottom of a much worse conference.



The reality is OSU this year is better than Cal would end up in the same situation. Cal would layer on ridiculous academic standards against schools that have 110% acceptance rates, while losing the benefit of being in a power conference. No amount of Legends money would help.

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Even with a partial ACC media money share for several years, it's still far more money than the next Pac-8 media contract is likely to yield.

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How much do we get now and how much would we get with the P12?

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Even with a partial ACC media money share for several years, it's still far more money than the next Pac-8 media contract is likely to yield.

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I understand that but I'm assuming the travel is a huge burden.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Even with a partial ACC media money share for several years, it's still far more money than the next Pac-8 media contract is likely to yield.

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I understand that but I'm assuming the travel is a huge burden.

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And it is a burden that visiting conference schools also bear. Get over it.

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Ccajon2 said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of San Jose State.

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Actually they are snubbing San Jose State I don't understand that at all San Jose State has more national championships than any other school that they have offered combined.

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Ccajon2 said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of San Jose State.

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Insert Fresno State for San Jose State.

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And to the ACC until 2036, thankfully.

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If we're still in the ACC in 2036, we'll be there with GT, BC, Furd, VT and Wake. ESPN will have left and we will be trying to recruit Tulane and Memphis to get to 8 teams.

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Even with a partial ACC media money share for several years, it's still far more money than the next Pac-8 media contract is likely to yield.

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How much do we get now and how much would we get with the P12?

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This sound like a '49 question. If you don;t know the answer to this, why are you arguing Calford take a close look at the Pac?

TV revenues in the new Pac likely will be at Mountan West levels given who is in the new Pac, So around $5 million a year. Cal and Stanford have reportedly agreed to each take about 30% of the $24 million ACC pro rata share to start, or roughly $7-10 million. That payout will increase over time to nearly a full share, which also increases over time. There are additional distributions that would likely come from 12-team playoff appearances, that will not likely happen or are minimal for the Pac. The numbers likely will be substantial, around $8 to 10 million. Just but the automatic ACC playoff bid brings the Cal/Stanford payout to about $15-20 million a year..

The Regents also gave Calimoney to Cal to offset the initial deficit in TV revenues in order to join the ACC. That will vary from $10 to $2 million as Cal is paid a greater share of the ACC TV deal. That all goes away if Cal can't cut it in the ACC. .

There are sorts of Cal branding impacts going from a national brand in the ACC to a regional brand in the Pac that those with a marketing background can address.

And there will be drop in non TV revenues such as ESP, donations, attendance revenue, etc. As has been said in many, many threads on the issue, going to the Pac will be a financial disaster for Cal sports.

I just hope these posters who start these threads would do some due diligence before they post,

> No legal analysis as to how we get of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?

of?

wifeisafurd said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Even with a partial ACC media money share for several years, it's still far more money than the next Pac-8 media contract is likely to yield.

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How much do we get now and how much would we get with the P12?

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This sound like a '49 question. If you don;t know the answer to this, why are you arguing Calford take a close look at the Pac?

TV revenues in the new Pac likely will be at Mountan West levels given who is in the new Pac, So around $5 million a year. Cal and Stanford have reportedly agreed to each take about 30% of the $24 million ACC pro rata share to start, or roughly $7-10 million. That payout will increase over time to nearly a full share, which also increases over time. There are additional distributions that would likely come from 12-team playoff appearances, that will not likely happen or are minimal for the Pac. The numbers likely will be substantial, around $8 to 10 million. Just but the automatic ACC playoff bid brings the Cal/Stanford payout to about $15-20 million a year..

The Regents also gave Calionny to Cal to offset the amount of the deficit in TV revenues in order to join the ACC. That will vary form $10 to $2 million as Cal is paid a greater share of the ACC TV deal. That all goes away if Cal can't cut it in the ACC. .

There are sorts of Cal branding impacts going from a national brand in the ACC to a regional brand in the Pac that those with a marketing background can suggest.

And there will be drop in non Tv revenues such as ESP, donations, attendance revenue, etc. As has been said in many, many threads on the issue, going to the Pac will be a financial disaster for Cal sports.

I just hope these posters who start these threads would so some due diligence before they post,

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It is so baffling. Cal isn't light years away like we were in the Pac-12. We're a few missed kicks and one or two critical injuries from being in ACC title contention and now everyone here wants to quit because playing PItt and NC State feels weird.

I think people in this board are just really depressed with their Cal fan existence right now. Hopefully we finish strong.

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No, no, and no. Even a broken ACC (if/when FSU, Clemson leave) >>> Current P12

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And if and when that happens, the ACC may be able to recruit the best teams out of the Pac-12 anyway.

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ferCALgm2 said:

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No, no, and no. Even a broken ACC (if/when FSU, Clemson leave) >>> Current P12

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And if and when that happens, the ACC may be able to recruit the best teams out of the Pac-12 anyway.

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Expanding the West Coast pod would be an option.The ACC is currently 17 teams. Even if a couple left we would still have a league.

"Please don" to posting these same old threads.

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Ccajon2 said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get out of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of Fresno State.

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Agreed.
A better sentimental move would be to lobby for OSU and Wazzu to join the ACC as expansion or as backfill for the loss of ClemFlorNorCarolina's exit.

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"Please don" to posting these same old threads.

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who?

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philbert said:

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"Please don" to posting these same old threads.

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who?

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A reference to BI lore:

https://bearinsider.com/forums/2/topics/90847/replies/1657347

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wifeisafurd said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get out of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of Fresno State.

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Agreed.
A better sentimental move would be to lobby for OSU and Wazzu to join the ACC as expansion or as backfill for the loss of ClemFlorNorCarolina's exit.

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No. might as well keep the pie smaller. The only thing they bring is proximity. Personally, OSU is a fan base I could do without.

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wifeisafurd said:

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Just MHO that Calford needs to look long and hard at jumping onto this opportunity. I'm sure we have an open invite. I'm of the opinion we will never be good enough to get into the BG. I may not have written this if we were 8-0 or 7-1. 10-2 seasons would give us a bargaining chip. We don't have that now, and I guess we really are tied to the furds permanently?

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No legal analysis as to how we get out of the ACC GOR. If Clemson and FSU can't buy their was out, how does financially strapped Cal?
No financial analysis of what happens to Cal if they go to the Pac 12? Are you going to pay for all those non-revenue sports deficits?
No analysis of what happens to Cal competitively? Did you find being in Oregon State's position on Saturday appealing? With the lack of admissions standards at the other Pac schools, what makes you think Cal and Furd can even compete in the new Pac State conference?
The only reason you have for taking a long look at the Pac State Conference is Cal sucks and Furd sucks, so we both belong in a weak conference that generates little money.

The alums I know who follow Cal sports are done with Cal if they go to the Pac State conference. The great irony is those academic elites and Cal and Furd also would be put off jointing the Big 12. They are really going to be put off being in a conference with the likes of Fresno State.

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Agreed.
A better sentimental move would be to lobby for OSU and Wazzu to join the ACC as expansion or as backfill for the loss of ClemFlorNorCarolina's exit.

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I don't think it is Clemson. If the SEC is not an option, Clemson is not moving. Right now (and I am not at liberty to discuss the source), I can say that Clemson is pushing for a merit based revenue distribution rather than to leave, and that approach is getting a rather sympathetic viewing from other ACC members. No one is sure where FSU is going and their lousy football season has to have hurt their chances with other conferences not named the Big 12. North Carolina (with probably Virginia) would go to the B1G if the GOR is somehow knocked-out in court. In fact, FSU has asked a Florida court to rule that its notice of withdrawal to the league was effective on August 14, 2023. Clemson on the other hand, missed the withdrawal deadline to leave the ACC next year (2025), and has so far not requested to withdraw.


Sports media experts have argued Clemson and Florida State's cases against the ACC aren't very strong, and no one is going anywhere for some time. That doesn't mean it isn't impossible. Clemson and FSU could come up with the financial means to separate from the ACC, or perhaps all parties involved come to an amicable solution which means those two programs can seek a new conference. But the betting money around Clemson is that they can force an unequal revenues split that favors a wining football program like Clemson, especially where there is a double digit playoff. And they are just fine with being the kings of the ACC.

As an update, a North Carolina judge recently granted a temporary restraining order against North Carolina's board of trustees. That means the board can't go over things like finances or conference realignment in a closed session, so the world will know if North Carolina is contemplating a jump from the ACC.

I really don't get UNC wanting to ditch the ACC, I mean would they really rather play Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin instead of Duke, WF and NC St.?!?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/265/washington-state-cougars

Wrong. Washington St. is 7 and 1 this season with wins at home over Washington and Texas Tech. Only loss was to highly regarded Boise St., with probably the best back in the country.

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No one is sure where FSU is going and their lousy football season has to have hurt their chances with other conferences not named the Big 12.

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This is where the board loses the plot. On the one hand, everyone seems to dream that we are a great candidate for B1G entry when the next wave of realignment happens, despite our current record and history. But that doesn't apply to Florida State, who are suffering a dreadful year, but nonetheless have the history. Some on this board are trying to fit any narrative into us joining the B1G.

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I really don't get UNC wanting to ditch the ACC, I mean would they really rather play Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin instead of Duke, WF and NC St.?!?

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It's all about $$$ now. Do you think USC would rather play (and hilariously this year, lose to) Maryland, Minnesota rather than us and Stanford if the money were the same?

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Cal88 said:

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I really don't get UNC wanting to ditch the ACC, I mean would they really rather play Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin instead of Duke, WF and NC St.?!?

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It's all about $$$ now. Do you think USC would rather play (and lose to) Maryland, Minnesota rather than us and Stanford if the money were the same?

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North Carolina is also a campus not as desperate for money as Florida State is, they may not be as apt to move as the folks in Tallahassee.

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concernedparent said:

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I really don't get UNC wanting to ditch the ACC, I mean would they really rather play Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin instead of Duke, WF and NC St.?!?

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It's all about $$$ now. Do you think USC would rather play (and lose to) Maryland, Minnesota rather than us and Stanford if the money were the same?

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North Carolina is also a campus not as desperate for money as Florida State is, they may not be as apt to move as the folks in Tallahassee.

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Neither was Oregon, Washington or USC though.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Even with a partial ACC media money share for several years, it's still far more money than the next Pac-8 media contract is likely to yield.

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I understand that but I'm assuming the travel is a huge burden.

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Not ideal but it's not like they're flying Southwest coach with a bunch of connections.