Over/under is 55.5

Could the oddsmakers know something ??!!!

I thought the Oregon St line was crazy too

Oddsmakers don't know anything. NC State odds was -9.5, look how that turned out

On average, the oddsmakers are right, especially later in the season like now.

We smoke the Deacons in Tobacco Road!

WF defense is bottom 5 when it comes to havoc rate. That's the primary indicator on whether cal is going to win (since our biggest weakness is Oline)

If cal offense comes out knowing they are clearly better than WF defense and we just fling it around, we win comfortably

If Wilcox believes it's an away game against a comparable team and gets into a rock fight, then I don't f'ing know.

DoubtfulBear said:

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Oddsmakers don't know anything. NC State odds was -9.5, look how that turned out

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Lol....
They're right a hell of a lot more than they miss.

I love it when people say they're smarter than vegas. And then right after they'll say, oh I'm against betting.

So you're against free money? Ok dude

ducky23 said:

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WF defense is bottom 5 when it comes to havoc rate. That's the primary indicator on whether cal is going to win (since our biggest weakness is Oline)

If cal offense comes out knowing they are clearly better than WF defense and we just fling it around, we win comfortably

If Wilcox believes it's an away game against a comparable team and gets into a rock fight, then I don't f'ing know.

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Never underestimat jws ability to lose by playing not to lose

~ Bears 19 - 18 blackened lungs

Oakbear said:

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ducky23 said:

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WF defense is bottom 5 when it comes to havoc rate. That's the primary indicator on whether cal is going to win (since our biggest weakness is Oline)

If cal offense comes out knowing they are clearly better than WF defense and we just fling it around, we win comfortably

If Wilcox believes it's an away game against a comparable team and gets into a rock fight, then I don't f'ing know.

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Never underestimat jws ability to lose by playing not to lose

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Never underestimate Cal fans ability to treat 4-4 like 0-8.

Cal's underlying metrics are much better than their record. This makes sense, when you consider that our four losses are by a TOTAL of 9 points. Vegas has probably been looking at that.

Also no one wants to bet on Wake Forest, so you need a big number to entice some action on that side.

oski003 said:

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Oakbear said:

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ducky23 said:

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WF defense is bottom 5 when it comes to havoc rate. That's the primary indicator on whether cal is going to win (since our biggest weakness is Oline)

If cal offense comes out knowing they are clearly better than WF defense and we just fling it around, we win comfortably

If Wilcox believes it's an away game against a comparable team and gets into a rock fight, then I don't f'ing know.

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Never underestimat jws ability to lose by playing not to lose

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Never underestimate Cal fans ability to treat 4-4 like 0-8.

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Or 0-4 in conference like 0-4 in conference. If we win it will be our first win in our new conference and Wilcox's first conference win outside the state of California in 5 years. Losses to good and bad teams in Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Arizona, Utah and now Florida , Pennsylvania….

I try to never expect wins. I always expect heart breaking losses. This is a well-honed defense mechanism and it generally helps me be depressed rather than suicidal when we find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've watched a few Wake games. They aren't a bad team (frame of reference I thought that both Oregon State and San Diego State were bad football teams before we played them and nothing I saw at Memorial changed my mind). With all that said, Wake is about to see the best version of the Cal football team we've put on the field in 2024 and that includes our home opener. We should finally have virtually all of the talent we assembled this offseason (Kyion Grayes being a notable exception) playing. If THIS version of Cal can not handily beat Wake Forest there is something fundamentally and profoundly wrong with our coaching, game prep and planning. I pray that's not the case.

I rarely make pre-game predictions but I think we win this one handily. We shall see.

Sebastabear said:

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I try to never expect wins. I always expect heart breaking losses. This is a well-honed defense mechanism and it generally helps me be depressed rather than suicidal when we find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've watched a few Wake games. They aren't a bad team (frame of reference I thought that both Oregon State and San Diego State were bad football teams before we played them and nothing I saw at Memorial changed my mind). With all that said, Wake is about to see the best version of the Cal football team we've put on the field in 2024 and that includes our home opener. We should finally have virtually all of the talent we assembled this offseason (Kyion Grayes being a notable exception) playing. If THIS version of Cal can not handily beat Wake Forest there is something fundamentally and profoundly wrong with our coaching, game prep and planning. I pray that's not the case.

I rarely make pre-game predictions but I think we win this one handily. We shall see.

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Moreover, there are indications from the OSU game that Wilcox/Bloesch have figured out that we need to have Mendoza pass early and keep passing and scoring even with a lead until the clock expires.

Still, Wilcox has not won a conference road game that is not in front of a big Cal crowd at Stanford against weak Stanford teams or a big Cal crowd in LA against a weak LA team in 5 years.

Sebastabear said:

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I try to never expect wins. I always expect heart breaking losses. This is a well-honed defense mechanism and it generally helps me be depressed rather than suicidal when we find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've watched a few Wake games. They aren't a bad team (frame of reference I thought that both Oregon State and San Diego State were bad football teams before we played them and nothing I saw at Memorial changed my mind). With all that said, Wake is about to see the best version of the Cal football team we've put on the field in 2024 and that includes our home opener. We should finally have virtually all of the talent we assembled this offseason (Kyion Grayes being a notable exception) playing. If THIS version of Cal can not handily beat Wake Forest there is something fundamentally and profoundly wrong with our coaching, game prep and planning. I pray that's not the case.

I rarely make pre-game predictions but I think we win this one handily. We shall see.

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sure we will likely come out of the gate with TDs but can we hold on through 4 quarters? Other coaches make adjustments at halftime while Wilcox and co. keep trying the same thing even after the opposing team finds a solution

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Sebastabear said:

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I try to never expect wins. I always expect heart breaking losses. This is a well-honed defense mechanism and it generally helps me be depressed rather than suicidal when we find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've watched a few Wake games. They aren't a bad team (frame of reference I thought that both Oregon State and San Diego State were bad football teams before we played them and nothing I saw at Memorial changed my mind). With all that said, Wake is about to see the best version of the Cal football team we've put on the field in 2024 and that includes our home opener. We should finally have virtually all of the talent we assembled this offseason (Kyion Grayes being a notable exception) playing. If THIS version of Cal can not handily beat Wake Forest there is something fundamentally and profoundly wrong with our coaching, game prep and planning. I pray that's not the case.

I rarely make pre-game predictions but I think we win this one handily. We shall see.

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Still, Wilcox has not won a conference road game that is not in front of a big Cal crowd at Stanford against weak Stanford teams or a big Cal crowd in LA against a weak LA team in 5 years.

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Auburn this season?

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calumnus said:

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Sebastabear said:

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I try to never expect wins. I always expect heart breaking losses. This is a well-honed defense mechanism and it generally helps me be depressed rather than suicidal when we find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've watched a few Wake games. They aren't a bad team (frame of reference I thought that both Oregon State and San Diego State were bad football teams before we played them and nothing I saw at Memorial changed my mind). With all that said, Wake is about to see the best version of the Cal football team we've put on the field in 2024 and that includes our home opener. We should finally have virtually all of the talent we assembled this offseason (Kyion Grayes being a notable exception) playing. If THIS version of Cal can not handily beat Wake Forest there is something fundamentally and profoundly wrong with our coaching, game prep and planning. I pray that's not the case.

I rarely make pre-game predictions but I think we win this one handily. We shall see.

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Still, Wilcox has not won a conference road game that is not in front of a big Cal crowd at Stanford against weak Stanford teams or a big Cal crowd in LA against a weak LA team in 5 years.

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Auburn this season?

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We joined the SEC?

Oops! Didn't notice the qualifier, "conference" game.

GoCal80 said:

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Oops! Didn't notice the qualifier, "conference" game.

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Yeah, in OOC games he had Auburn this year, North Texas last year and 5 years ago he beat Southern Miss on the road. The point is he lost a lot of out of state conference road games since 2019, including to otherwise winless teams (Arizona, Colorado and now FSU). It is one reason to be uncertain about Wilcox beating Wake despite the fact we are the better team.

Sebastabear said:

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I try to never expect wins. I always expect heart breaking losses. This is a well-honed defense mechanism and it generally helps me be depressed rather than suicidal when we find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've watched a few Wake games. They aren't a bad team (frame of reference I thought that both Oregon State and San Diego State were bad football teams before we played them and nothing I saw at Memorial changed my mind). With all that said, Wake is about to see the best version of the Cal football team we've put on the field in 2024 and that includes our home opener. We should finally have virtually all of the talent we assembled this offseason (Kyion Grayes being a notable exception) playing. If THIS version of Cal can not handily beat Wake Forest there is something fundamentally and profoundly wrong with our coaching, game prep and planning. I pray that's not the case.

I rarely make pre-game predictions but I think we win this one handily. We shall see.

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I'm excited to see a healthier version of this team!!!

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GoCal80 said:

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Oops! Didn't notice the qualifier, "conference" game.

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Yeah, in OOC games he had Auburn this year, North Texas last year and 5 years ago he beat Southern Miss on the road. The point is he lost a lot of out of state conference road games since 2019, including to otherwise winless teams (Arizona, Colorado and now FSU). It is one reason to be uncertain about Wilcox beating Wake despite the fact we are the better team.

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Ole Miss, not Southern Miss (Ole Miss is much better). Also won at Washington that year. And UNC in his first year.

But at this point we are a far cry from the 2019 results (with Garbers).

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calumnus said:

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GoCal80 said:

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Oops! Didn't notice the qualifier, "conference" game.

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Yeah, in OOC games he had Auburn this year, North Texas last year and 5 years ago he beat Southern Miss on the road. The point is he lost a lot of out of state conference road games since 2019, including to otherwise winless teams (Arizona, Colorado and now FSU). It is one reason to be uncertain about Wilcox beating Wake despite the fact we are the better team.

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Ole Miss, not Southern Miss (Ole Miss is much better). Also won at Washington that year. And UNC in his first year.

But at this point we are a far cry from the 2019 results (with Garbers).

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Yes, what I meant, though Ole Miss at 4-8 was not good that year.

Cal had the #112 scoring offense in 2019, though Garbers, in Baldwin's offense was relatively effective, Baldwin finally got fired after the season. Wonder if Bloesch gets three years to try to learn on the job too?

Sebastabear said:

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I try to never expect wins. I always expect heart breaking losses. This is a well-honed defense mechanism and it generally helps me be depressed rather than suicidal when we find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've watched a few Wake games. They aren't a bad team (frame of reference I thought that both Oregon State and San Diego State were bad football teams before we played them and nothing I saw at Memorial changed my mind). With all that said, Wake is about to see the best version of the Cal football team we've put on the field in 2024 and that includes our home opener. We should finally have virtually all of the talent we assembled this offseason (Kyion Grayes being a notable exception) playing. If THIS version of Cal can not handily beat Wake Forest there is something fundamentally and profoundly wrong with our coaching, game prep and planning. I pray that's not the case.

I rarely make pre-game predictions but I think we win this one handily. We shall see.

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I think we know the answer to this regardless of whether Cal beats Wake handily or not. The evidence suggests this staff is mediocre or worse.

IMO if not for the collective stepping up and providing a mechanism to attract and keep talent this team just might have 1 win rather than 4.

I think there is enough talent on hand to finish these last games 3-1. But they had enough talent (even with the injuries) to win at FSU, Pitt and at home vs NC State. The record under Wilcox is poor. Particularly in conference games. And even worse on the road. And awful after byes as well. Poor performances after byes seems particularly telling. Well coached teams should perform better after byes.

Wake Forest is a conference game on the road after a bye. I do think Cal is better and should win. But the history of the team under Wilcox should not be ignored.

We have has eight freaking years of evidence. This game doesn't prove anything. It is a must win, however.

Sebastabear said:

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I try to never expect wins. I always expect heart breaking losses. This is a well-honed defense mechanism and it generally helps me be depressed rather than suicidal when we find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've watched a few Wake games. They aren't a bad team (frame of reference I thought that both Oregon State and San Diego State were bad football teams before we played them and nothing I saw at Memorial changed my mind). With all that said, Wake is about to see the best version of the Cal football team we've put on the field in 2024 and that includes our home opener. We should finally have virtually all of the talent we assembled this offseason (Kyion Grayes being a notable exception) playing. If THIS version of Cal can not handily beat Wake Forest there is something fundamentally and profoundly wrong with our coaching, game prep and planning. I pray that's not the case.

I rarely make pre-game predictions but I think we win this one handily. We shall see.

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Their slow mesh rpo offense drives d's nuts. That's because their rb is a water bug and hard to see. Their qb is someone we recruited out of hs - he's pretty good, though not fleet afoot. Otherwise, wf is ordinary.

Cal by 7.

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We have has eight freaking years of evidence. This game doesn't prove anything. It is a must win, however.

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As I have said multiple times this season, we need 8 wins this year to keep Wilcox around. Winning this game matters.

calgldnbear said:

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Over/under is 55.5

Could the oddsmakers know something ??!!!

I thought the Oregon St line was crazy too

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Cal should win. Wake barely beat Stanford, who just got killed by NC state (who, yes, we were handling fine and definitely should have beaten)

oski003 said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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We have has eight freaking years of evidence. This game doesn't prove anything. It is a must win, however.

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As I have said multiple times this season, we need 8 wins this year to keep Wilcox around. Winning this game matters.

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Winning this game does matter. But keeping Wilcox around? Please be kidding.

6956bear said:

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oski003 said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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We have has eight freaking years of evidence. This game doesn't prove anything. It is a must win, however.

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As I have said multiple times this season, we need 8 wins this year to keep Wilcox around. Winning this game matters.

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Winning this game does matter. But keeping Wilcox around? Please be kidding.

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If he wins 8 games this season, he shouldn't be fired.

oski003 said:

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6956bear said:

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oski003 said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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We have has eight freaking years of evidence. This game doesn't prove anything. It is a must win, however.

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As I have said multiple times this season, we need 8 wins this year to keep Wilcox around. Winning this game matters.

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Winning this game does matter. But keeping Wilcox around? Please be kidding.

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If he wins 8 games this season, he shouldn't be fired.

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He's not going to be fired regardless. Unless you write the check for $15M to cover his buyout.
I'm amazed that posters continue to ignore the fact that Cal cannot afford to fire him for another year or two.

DoubtfulBear said:

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Oddsmakers don't know anything. NC State odds was -9.5, look how that turned out

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That is an idiotic statement.

ducktilldeath said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Oddsmakers don't know anything. NC State odds was -9.5, look how that turned out

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That is an idiotic statement.

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Yep.

oski003 said:

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6956bear said:

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Winning this game does matter. But keeping Wilcox around? Please be kidding.

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If he wins 8 games this season, he shouldn't be fired.

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If he wins eight games this season, it will be a miracle.

Anyone know a good bar or restaurant to catch the wakeforest game, in or near Pasadena?

This is a great line if you think Cal sucks cause it's easy money betting on the Wake money line

Sagarin has up as 8 to 13 pts favorites, depending on the algorithm criteria.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm