We need to run the normal passing offence when trying to run out the clock. Ott up the middle will never work.

calumnus said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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calumnus said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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We have an offensive line that is struggling to block. There's no call that can fix that. That's mostly a recruiting issue but I am also not a huge fan of how high our offensive line blocks. They all look like a bunch of waist benders. We look like a team that plays with almost zero leverage.

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Don't you think it would help if the OL coach could work on and coach the OL full time and the OC could work on scheme and play calling full time?

This was entirely predictable when Wilcox promoted his OL coach to OC, with his only previous experience a year being Co-OC under an offensive HC and at the G5 level, while at the same time having him also hold down the OL coaching duties. It was predictable and preventable, just incredibly bad management for a guy "still learning" on the job in year 8 making $5 million a year.

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Yes, but the problem issues shouldn't be something that requires that much time to perform, other than recruiting but that's usually a coaching staff issue. The lineman playing with no leverage shouldn't need a full timer to correct. That is basic offensive line 101 that gets taught in high school. I see this problem with a lot of zone scheme coaches. But blocking a zone scheme still shouldn't have your lineman playing so high,

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What was their technique like last year? Because last year we had the #48 offense in the country and we are FAR better at QB this year. If we had last year's offense we would be 9-0.

If tgeir technique is worse, you have to explain why, this being their second year under Bloesch, they are worse? Including worse technique? And in game 9?

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Sorry didn't get back to you sooner, last year they played high, maybe not as high as they are playing right now which is why we were inconsistent with the run game, as opposed to mostly being incapable of running between the tackles. I feel like most of last seasons run success was on Ott squirting thru a tiny hole and not because we created a push and changed the LOS. I'm not at practice so I don't know what they are being taught and if the issue is inexperience or what but they are absolutely worse this year and we have little to no quality depth.

We won

Cal Offense Ranking By Quarter:

1st #34
2nd #47
3rd #41
4th #117

To me, this is shocking and demonstrates what I have been saying. Our offense is actually pretty good through three quarters. People focusing all the blame on the OL are missing a key point: The OL is good enough for Cal to be an above average offense through three quarters.

We are horrible in the 4th quarter because we get conservative and stop doing what was successful through three quarters and instead try to be something we repeatedly prove we are not.

This bad coaching to do it once and lose, it is horrible coaching to do it repeatedly for 9 games and repeatedly lose. To the point it almost looks like coaches purposely tanking games we were going to win. Crazy.

72CalBear said:

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Haven't you guys learned to stop the whipping a dead horse bellowing even when we beat an away team that is likewise very motivated?? Great win all the way around. Teams don't play to lose or to make mistakes but they win when they are proud and coached to not stop fighting!

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They called an inside run 3 plays in a row and switched to a nickle prevent look (away from balance and man coverage with pressure) with a second half lead for the 9th straight game where we've had a second half lead this season.
It's gotten us last place in the acc with what from a nil dollars perspective was the 3rd or 4th best team in conference and from a yards gained vs yards allowed perspective this season is the 2nd or 3rd best team in conference. Yet here we are dead last in the acc.
Wilcox blows cox
I don't know how else to put this but if you don't notice the 3 straight run calls and the nickleback stuck in crossers against the other teams #1 any time we have a second half lead I think you either don't understand X's and O's Or you are listening to kgo and not watching.
Every second Half statistical metric backs this up and shows we blow Wilcox in the second half.
The problem is he doesn't learn.
So it is he not us who is beating a dead horse

CNHTH said:

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72CalBear said:

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Haven't you guys learned to stop the whipping a dead horse bellowing even when we beat an away team that is likewise very motivated?? Great win all the way around. Teams don't play to lose or to make mistakes but they win when they are proud and coached to not stop fighting!

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They called an inside run 3 plays in a row and switched to a nickle prevent look (away from balance and man coverage with pressure) with a second half lead for the 9th straight game where we've had a second half lead this season.
It's gotten us last place in the acc with what from a nil dollars perspective was the 3rd or 4th best team in conference and from a yards gained vs yards allowed perspective this season is the 2nd or 3rd best team in conference. Yet here we are dead last in the acc.
Wilcox blows cox
I don't know how else to put this but if you don't notice the 3 straight run calls and the nickleback stuck in crossers against the other teams #1 any time we have a second half lead I think you either don't understand X's and O's Or you are listening to kgo and not watching.
Every second Half statistical metric backs this up and shows we blow Wilcox in the second half.
The problem is he doesn't learn.
So it is he not us who is beating a dead horse

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My source has us #9 of 9 for collective funding for public ACC Schools. It excludes private schools so we likely aren't even top 10.



https://nil-ncaa.com/acc/

oski003 said:

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CNHTH said:

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72CalBear said:

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Haven't you guys learned to stop the whipping a dead horse bellowing even when we beat an away team that is likewise very motivated?? Great win all the way around. Teams don't play to lose or to make mistakes but they win when they are proud and coached to not stop fighting!

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They called an inside run 3 plays in a row and switched to a nickle prevent look (away from balance and man coverage with pressure) with a second half lead for the 9th straight game where we've had a second half lead this season.
It's gotten us last place in the acc with what from a nil dollars perspective was the 3rd or 4th best team in conference and from a yards gained vs yards allowed perspective this season is the 2nd or 3rd best team in conference. Yet here we are dead last in the acc.
Wilcox blows cox
I don't know how else to put this but if you don't notice the 3 straight run calls and the nickleback stuck in crossers against the other teams #1 any time we have a second half lead I think you either don't understand X's and O's Or you are listening to kgo and not watching.
Every second Half statistical metric backs this up and shows we blow Wilcox in the second half.
The problem is he doesn't learn.
So it is he not us who is beating a dead horse

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My source has us #9 of 9 for collective funding for public ACC Schools. It excludes private schools so we likely aren't even top 10.



https://nil-ncaa.com/acc/

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That is not actual. NIL is private, whether for a public school or a private school. They explain their methodology here:
https://nil-ncaa.com/methodology/

They have no clue. Sebasta is a better source.

calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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CNHTH said:

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72CalBear said:

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Haven't you guys learned to stop the whipping a dead horse bellowing even when we beat an away team that is likewise very motivated?? Great win all the way around. Teams don't play to lose or to make mistakes but they win when they are proud and coached to not stop fighting!

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They called an inside run 3 plays in a row and switched to a nickle prevent look (away from balance and man coverage with pressure) with a second half lead for the 9th straight game where we've had a second half lead this season.
It's gotten us last place in the acc with what from a nil dollars perspective was the 3rd or 4th best team in conference and from a yards gained vs yards allowed perspective this season is the 2nd or 3rd best team in conference. Yet here we are dead last in the acc.
Wilcox blows cox
I don't know how else to put this but if you don't notice the 3 straight run calls and the nickleback stuck in crossers against the other teams #1 any time we have a second half lead I think you either don't understand X's and O's Or you are listening to kgo and not watching.
Every second Half statistical metric backs this up and shows we blow Wilcox in the second half.
The problem is he doesn't learn.
So it is he not us who is beating a dead horse

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My source has us #9 of 9 for collective funding for public ACC Schools. It excludes private schools so we likely aren't even top 10.



https://nil-ncaa.com/acc/

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That is not actual. NIL is private, whether for a public school or a private school. They explain their methodology here:
https://nil-ncaa.com/methodology/

They have no clue. Sebasta is a better source.

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We are #9 out of 9 public schools in the ACC based on revenue and alumni support, but they do not know specifically the amount of NIL funding. Fair enough. I wonder where we really stand. We seem to do decent recruiting transfers, we hold on to most but not all of our impact players (lost best wr two years in a row to other p12 schools), and we seem to have nearly nothing for high school recruiting. Hopefully, we are in the top half of the ACC for NIL.

oski003 said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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CNHTH said:

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72CalBear said:

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Haven't you guys learned to stop the whipping a dead horse bellowing even when we beat an away team that is likewise very motivated?? Great win all the way around. Teams don't play to lose or to make mistakes but they win when they are proud and coached to not stop fighting!

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They called an inside run 3 plays in a row and switched to a nickle prevent look (away from balance and man coverage with pressure) with a second half lead for the 9th straight game where we've had a second half lead this season.
It's gotten us last place in the acc with what from a nil dollars perspective was the 3rd or 4th best team in conference and from a yards gained vs yards allowed perspective this season is the 2nd or 3rd best team in conference. Yet here we are dead last in the acc.
Wilcox blows cox
I don't know how else to put this but if you don't notice the 3 straight run calls and the nickleback stuck in crossers against the other teams #1 any time we have a second half lead I think you either don't understand X's and O's Or you are listening to kgo and not watching.
Every second Half statistical metric backs this up and shows we blow Wilcox in the second half.
The problem is he doesn't learn.
So it is he not us who is beating a dead horse

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My source has us #9 of 9 for collective funding for public ACC Schools. It excludes private schools so we likely aren't even top 10.



https://nil-ncaa.com/acc/

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That is not actual. NIL is private, whether for a public school or a private school. They explain their methodology here:
https://nil-ncaa.com/methodology/

They have no clue. Sebasta is a better source.

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We are #9 out of 9 public schools in the ACC based on revenue and alumni support, but they do not know specifically the amount of NIL funding. Fair enough. I wonder where we really stand. We seem to do decent recruiting transfers, we hold on to most but not all of our impact players (lost best wr two years in a row to other p12 schools), and we seem to have nearly nothing for high school recruiting. Hopefully, we are in the top half of the ACC for NIL.

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Three schools recently joined the ACC and had to take a fraction of a full revenue share. Only one of the three is a public school but we know Stanford and SMU have major donors anyway. Moreover, name another ACC school that has finished in the bottom half of its conference for 7 years in a row under the current coach with the worst average offense in his conference during that time period? We are definitely at or near the bottom in AD revenues, I have no problem with that conclusion.

NIL is another story. Cal has one of the wealthiest aggregate alumni bases in the country. Cal, under Sabasta's leadership got out in front as a collective. Under the current rules, NIL is a Cal commpatitive advantage. Wilcox has been a bad recruiter over his first six years but we have had two top 20 Portal classes on a row.

However, once players are paid out of the AD's media revenues our current advantage will be gone. We will be at a huge disadvantage. That is why 2024 and 2025 were our window of opportunity. It was set up for us to challenge for the ACC championship and a shot at the CFP. We could be 9-0 right now. It was our shot. Thst is the frustration many of us have with Wilcox.

We will have another shot next year, then I think it gets a lot tougher after that if we don't breakthrough next year that we can use to build attendance and ticket sales and expand our brand.

calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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CNHTH said:

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72CalBear said:

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Haven't you guys learned to stop the whipping a dead horse bellowing even when we beat an away team that is likewise very motivated?? Great win all the way around. Teams don't play to lose or to make mistakes but they win when they are proud and coached to not stop fighting!

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They called an inside run 3 plays in a row and switched to a nickle prevent look (away from balance and man coverage with pressure) with a second half lead for the 9th straight game where we've had a second half lead this season.
It's gotten us last place in the acc with what from a nil dollars perspective was the 3rd or 4th best team in conference and from a yards gained vs yards allowed perspective this season is the 2nd or 3rd best team in conference. Yet here we are dead last in the acc.
Wilcox blows cox
I don't know how else to put this but if you don't notice the 3 straight run calls and the nickleback stuck in crossers against the other teams #1 any time we have a second half lead I think you either don't understand X's and O's Or you are listening to kgo and not watching.
Every second Half statistical metric backs this up and shows we blow Wilcox in the second half.
The problem is he doesn't learn.
So it is he not us who is beating a dead horse

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My source has us #9 of 9 for collective funding for public ACC Schools. It excludes private schools so we likely aren't even top 10.



https://nil-ncaa.com/acc/

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That is not actual. NIL is private, whether for a public school or a private school. They explain their methodology here:
https://nil-ncaa.com/methodology/

They have no clue. Sebasta is a better source.

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We are #9 out of 9 public schools in the ACC based on revenue and alumni support, but they do not know specifically the amount of NIL funding. Fair enough. I wonder where we really stand. We seem to do decent recruiting transfers, we hold on to most but not all of our impact players (lost best wr two years in a row to other p12 schools), and we seem to have nearly nothing for high school recruiting. Hopefully, we are in the top half of the ACC for NIL.

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Three schools recently joined the ACC and had to take a fraction of a full revenue share. Only one of the three is a public school but we know Stanford and SMU have major donors anyway. Moreover, name another ACC school that has finished in the bottom half of its conference for 7 years in a row under the current coach with the worst average offense in his conference during that time period? We are definitely at or near the bottom in AD revenues, I have no problem with that conclusion.

NIL is another story. Cal has one of the wealthiest aggregate alumni bases in the country. Cal, under Sabasta's leadership got out in front as a collective. Under the current rules, NIL is a Cal commpatitive advantage. Wilcox has been a bad recruiter over his first six years but we have had two top 20 Portal classes on a row.

However, once players are paid out of the AD's media revenues our current advantage will be gone. We will be at a huge disadvantage. That is why 2024 and 2025 were our window of opportunity. It was set up for us to challenge for the ACC championship and a shot at the CFP. We could be 9-0 right now. It was our shot. Thst is the frustration many of us have with Wilcox.

We will have another shot next year, then I think it gets a lot tougher after that if we don't breakthrough next year that we can use to build attendance and ticket sales and expand our brand.

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The calculations aren't mostly based on revenue. They are based on annual booster support. Ours is historically low, way lower than the other schools we compete against. Your argument is extremely narrow. Our 2023 class wasn't great, if you compare transfers out versus in it was practically a wash. Also, 3 of our top 4 2024 incoming transfers were hurt the first half of this season.

I don't know the exact figures, but I am very confident Miami/Clemson/Florida State/Smu are paying players more than Cal is.

Cal is probably very close with Va Tech/Nc State/Pitt group of the ACC and then Wake is by themselves at the end.

oskidunker said:

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We need to run the normal passing offence when trying to run out the clock. Ott up the middle will never work.

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So simple, and yet so true!

RedlessWardrobe said:

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oskidunker said:

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We need to run the normal passing offence when trying to run out the clock. Ott up the middle will never work.

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So simple, and yet so true!

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Yep. With this OL every play needs to have some deception. Every call needs to go against tendencies. We aren't going to work the clock in the second half even with a lead. Two up the middle read options followed by a predictable pass are death for us. Soft zones don't help. Like it or not Wilcox is going to have to go against every tendency he has from the start. He's actually almost there, at least against our current level of competition.

82gradDLSdad said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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oskidunker said:

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We need to run the normal passing offence when trying to run out the clock. Ott up the middle will never work.

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So simple, and yet so true!

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Yep. With this OL every play needs to have some deception. Every call needs to go against tendencies. We aren't going to work the clock in the second half even with a lead. Two up the middle read options followed by a predictable pass are death for us. Soft zones don't help. Like it or not Wilcox is going to have to go against every tendency he has from the start. He's actually almost there, at least against our current level of competition.

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He's almost there, he's almost grown as a head coach, he's almost learned something …. going into game 10, near the end of season 8….

calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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oskidunker said:

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We need to run the normal passing offence when trying to run out the clock. Ott up the middle will never work.

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So simple, and yet so true!

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Yep. With this OL every play needs to have some deception. Every call needs to go against tendencies. We aren't going to work the clock in the second half even with a lead. Two up the middle read options followed by a predictable pass are death for us. Soft zones don't help. Like it or not Wilcox is going to have to go against every tendency he has from the start. He's actually almost there, at least against our current level of competition.

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He's almost there, he's almost grown as a head coach, he's almost learned something …. going into game 10, near the end of season 8….

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I was being 'ironical'.

82gradDLSdad said:

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calumnus said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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oskidunker said:

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We need to run the normal passing offence when trying to run out the clock. Ott up the middle will never work.

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So simple, and yet so true!

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Yep. With this OL every play needs to have some deception. Every call needs to go against tendencies. We aren't going to work the clock in the second half even with a lead. Two up the middle read options followed by a predictable pass are death for us. Soft zones don't help. Like it or not Wilcox is going to have to go against every tendency he has from the start. He's actually almost there, at least against our current level of competition.

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He's almost there, he's almost grown as a head coach, he's almost learned something …. going into game 10, near the end of season 8….

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I was being 'ironical'.

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I know, so was I. I'm right there with you.

This theme regarding the offense will continue until 1) we manage to run the clock out on a drive, or 2) Fernando throws a late interception that puts the game in doubt (which I hope never happens). The OL is what it is at this point. Now that we have what appear to be the best five linemen healthy, and in their best positions, we'll see if they can do anything on the run..

As for the defense, it looks to me like most of the big plays we've given up were on blown assignments playing zone, which is why I've argued all year we should be playing more man to man down the stretch and rushing whomever is left over to force the QB to get rid of the ball more quickly. We've struggled in the zone, IMHO, because the linebackers still are not clear where they should be dropping to, and because the nickelback replacements for Littlejohn were not as good.

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This theme regarding the offense will continue until 1) we manage to run the clock out on a drive, or 2) Fernando throws a late interception that puts the game in doubt (which I hope never happens). The OL is what it is at this point. Now that we have what appear to be the best five linemen healthy, and in their best positions, we'll see if they can do anything on the run..

As for the defense, it looks to me like most of the big plays we've given up were on blown assignments playing zone, which is why I've argued all year we should be playing more man to man down the stretch and rushing whomever is left over to force the QB to get rid of the ball more quickly. We've struggled in the zone, IMHO, because the linebackers still are not clear where they should be dropping to, and because the nickelback replacements for Littlejohn were not as good.

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Fernando has made huge strides in his ball control since last year and has only thrown 4 interceptions in 9 games, a couple due to being in third and long situations due to conservative, predictable run plays on 1st and 2nd down.

In practice if we play the same way in the 4th quarter as we played in the first three, Fernando should be no more likely to throw a pick in the 4th than in the first three. Moreover, if we have a 20 point lead on the #2 offense going into the 4th, I'd rather see Fernando throw a pick up 27 trying to extend to a 34 point lead than watch three successive 3 and outs and punts to the #2 offense lead by a Heisman hopeful at QB.

calumnus said:

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Jeff82 said:

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This theme regarding the offense will continue until 1) we manage to run the clock out on a drive, or 2) Fernando throws a late interception that puts the game in doubt (which I hope never happens). The OL is what it is at this point. Now that we have what appear to be the best five linemen healthy, and in their best positions, we'll see if they can do anything on the run..

As for the defense, it looks to me like most of the big plays we've given up were on blown assignments playing zone, which is why I've argued all year we should be playing more man to man down the stretch and rushing whomever is left over to force the QB to get rid of the ball more quickly. We've struggled in the zone, IMHO, because the linebackers still are not clear where they should be dropping to, and because the nickelback replacements for Littlejohn were not as good.

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Fernando has made huge strides in his ball control since last year and has only thrown 4 interceptions in 9 games, a couple due to being in third and long situations due to conservative, predictable run plays on 1st and 2nd down.

In practice if we play the same way in the 4th quarter as we played in the first three, Fernando should be no more likely to throw a pick in the 4th than in the first three. Moreover, if we have a 20 point lead on the #2 offense going into the 4th, I'd rather see Fernando throw a pick up 27 trying to extend to a 34 point lead than watch three successive 3 and outs and punts to the #2 offense lead by a Heisman hopeful at QB.

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Thats why Wilcox has to go. Inexcusable. Fucla!