USC fined, put on probation for 2022, 2023 coaching violations

72CalBear said:

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USC fined, put on probation for 2022, 2023 coaching violations

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No bowl ban. No scholarship reduction. What exactly are the penalties? No one can analyze special teams for a few days? What a joke.

oskidunker said:

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72CalBear said:

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USC fined, put on probation for 2022, 2023 coaching violations

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No bowl ban. No scholarship reduction. What exactly are the penalties? No one can analyze special teams for a few days? What a joke.

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The NCAA has been so totally emasculated by the courts that I'm surprised they even attempt any enforcement of the increasingly irrelevant rules. I note that college hockey has moved to allow minor league pros to compete collegiately. How long before G-Leaguers are shooting hoops in the Big Dance or failed NFL'ers turn to use up their unexpired eligibility?

Soooo ..... Middle Tennesse State will no doubt get the death penalty, then

59bear said:

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oskidunker said:

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72CalBear said:

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USC fined, put on probation for 2022, 2023 coaching violations

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No bowl ban. No scholarship reduction. What exactly are the penalties? No one can analyze special teams for a few days? What a joke.

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The NCAA has been so totally emasculated by the courts that I'm surprised they even attempt any enforcement of the increasingly irrelevant rules. I note that college hockey has moved to allow minor league pros to compete collegiately. How long before G-Leaguers are shooting hoops in the Big Dance or failed NFL'ers turn to use up their unexpired eligibility?

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I personally think it would be great for guys who don't get drafted or don't make a team to have the opportunity to go back to college ball. Not sure how that would work timing wise with training camp cuts in August but that's just a detail.

After all, any regular student can leave school to work and then come back later, why not athletes?

ninetyfourbear said:

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59bear said:

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oskidunker said:

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72CalBear said:

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USC fined, put on probation for 2022, 2023 coaching violations

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No bowl ban. No scholarship reduction. What exactly are the penalties? No one can analyze special teams for a few days? What a joke.

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The NCAA has been so totally emasculated by the courts that I'm surprised they even attempt any enforcement of the increasingly irrelevant rules. I note that college hockey has moved to allow minor league pros to compete collegiately. How long before G-Leaguers are shooting hoops in the Big Dance or failed NFL'ers turn to use up their unexpired eligibility?

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I personally think it would be great for guys who don't get drafted or don't make a team to have the opportunity to go back to college ball. Not sure how that would work timing wise with training camp cuts in August but that's just a detail.

After all, any regular student can leave school to work and then come back later, why not athletes?

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While I agree with you, technically, the student athletes can return to college (if they left in good standing) to complete their degrees. The only thing they can't do is play sports. The exception* to that rule with which I'm familiar is where an athlete went pro immediately out of high school and then returned to college after his pro career was over and opted to play another sport in college.

*J.R. Smith

01Bear said:

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ninetyfourbear said:

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59bear said:

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oskidunker said:

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72CalBear said:

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USC fined, put on probation for 2022, 2023 coaching violations

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No bowl ban. No scholarship reduction. What exactly are the penalties? No one can analyze special teams for a few days? What a joke.

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The NCAA has been so totally emasculated by the courts that I'm surprised they even attempt any enforcement of the increasingly irrelevant rules. I note that college hockey has moved to allow minor league pros to compete collegiately. How long before G-Leaguers are shooting hoops in the Big Dance or failed NFL'ers turn to use up their unexpired eligibility?

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I personally think it would be great for guys who don't get drafted or don't make a team to have the opportunity to go back to college ball. Not sure how that would work timing wise with training camp cuts in August but that's just a detail.

After all, any regular student can leave school to work and then come back later, why not athletes?

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While I agree with you, technically, the student athletes can return to college (if they left in good standing) to complete their degrees. The only thing they can't do is play sports. The exception* to that rule with which I'm familiar is where an athlete went pro immediately out of high school and then returned to college after his pro career was over and opted to play another sport in college.

*J.R. Smith

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Why not? Who says so, the NCAA? Seems like every time they go to court they lose! The pendulum has swung to athletes' rights, so who knows what can happen in our strange new world.

59bear said:

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01Bear said:

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ninetyfourbear said:

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59bear said:

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oskidunker said:

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72CalBear said:

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USC fined, put on probation for 2022, 2023 coaching violations

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No bowl ban. No scholarship reduction. What exactly are the penalties? No one can analyze special teams for a few days? What a joke.

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The NCAA has been so totally emasculated by the courts that I'm surprised they even attempt any enforcement of the increasingly irrelevant rules. I note that college hockey has moved to allow minor league pros to compete collegiately. How long before G-Leaguers are shooting hoops in the Big Dance or failed NFL'ers turn to use up their unexpired eligibility?

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I personally think it would be great for guys who don't get drafted or don't make a team to have the opportunity to go back to college ball. Not sure how that would work timing wise with training camp cuts in August but that's just a detail.

After all, any regular student can leave school to work and then come back later, why not athletes?

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While I agree with you, technically, the student athletes can return to college (if they left in good standing) to complete their degrees. The only thing they can't do is play sports. The exception* to that rule with which I'm familiar is where an athlete went pro immediately out of high school and then returned to college after his pro career was over and opted to play another sport in college.

*J.R. Smith

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Why not? Who says so, the NCAA? Seems like every time they go to court they lose! The pendulum has swung to athletes' rights, so who knows what can happen in our strange new world.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA start winning cases as the pendulum begins shifting back in favor of associations. The NCAA would argue it's a voluntary association and that its members agree to abode by its rules in exchange for benefits it provides them. Moreover, the NCAA could argue its rules don't prevent students from engaging in athletic endeavors (after all, intramural sports exist exclusive of NCAA rules). Rather, the NCAA's rules regulate how its members may participate in varsity sports. A student who wants to market his NIL can do so without being a member of a varsity team, as is the case with countless social media influencers. I can see arguments like this working with more conservative jurists.

Of course, I haven't read the previous decisions where the NCAA has lost in court. I'm not exactly sure why the courts decided against the NCAA. But I don't really seeing the courts preventing a voluntary association from enforcing its own regulations against its members.

01Bear said:

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59bear said:

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01Bear said:

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ninetyfourbear said:

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59bear said:

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oskidunker said:

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72CalBear said:

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USC fined, put on probation for 2022, 2023 coaching violations

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No bowl ban. No scholarship reduction. What exactly are the penalties? No one can analyze special teams for a few days? What a joke.

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The NCAA has been so totally emasculated by the courts that I'm surprised they even attempt any enforcement of the increasingly irrelevant rules. I note that college hockey has moved to allow minor league pros to compete collegiately. How long before G-Leaguers are shooting hoops in the Big Dance or failed NFL'ers turn to use up their unexpired eligibility?

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I personally think it would be great for guys who don't get drafted or don't make a team to have the opportunity to go back to college ball. Not sure how that would work timing wise with training camp cuts in August but that's just a detail.

After all, any regular student can leave school to work and then come back later, why not athletes?

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While I agree with you, technically, the student athletes can return to college (if they left in good standing) to complete their degrees. The only thing they can't do is play sports. The exception* to that rule with which I'm familiar is where an athlete went pro immediately out of high school and then returned to college after his pro career was over and opted to play another sport in college.

*J.R. Smith

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Why not? Who says so, the NCAA? Seems like every time they go to court they lose! The pendulum has swung to athletes' rights, so who knows what can happen in our strange new world.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA start winning cases as the pendulum begins shifting back in favor of associations. The NCAA would argue it's a voluntary association and that its members agree to abode by its rules in exchange for benefits it provides them. Moreover, the NCAA could argue its rules don't prevent students from engaging in athletic endeavors (after all, intramural sports exist exclusive of NCAA rules). Rather, the NCAA's rules regulate how its members may participate in varsity sports. A student who wants to market his NIL can do so without being a member of a varsity team, as is the case with countless social media influencers. I can see arguments like this working with more conservative jurists.

Of course, I haven't read the previous decisions where the NCAA has lost in court. I'm not exactly sure why the courts decided against the NCAA. But I don't really seeing the courts preventing a voluntary association from enforcing its own regulations against its members.

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But have the athletes "volunteered" to be part of the association (e.g., entered into a CBA)? Where the NCAA is getting killed is over the issue of protection of athletes' rights which the schools aren't allowed to ignore anymore.

01Bear said:

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59bear said:

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01Bear said:

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ninetyfourbear said:

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59bear said:

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oskidunker said:

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72CalBear said:

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USC fined, put on probation for 2022, 2023 coaching violations

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No bowl ban. No scholarship reduction. What exactly are the penalties? No one can analyze special teams for a few days? What a joke.

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The NCAA has been so totally emasculated by the courts that I'm surprised they even attempt any enforcement of the increasingly irrelevant rules. I note that college hockey has moved to allow minor league pros to compete collegiately. How long before G-Leaguers are shooting hoops in the Big Dance or failed NFL'ers turn to use up their unexpired eligibility?

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I personally think it would be great for guys who don't get drafted or don't make a team to have the opportunity to go back to college ball. Not sure how that would work timing wise with training camp cuts in August but that's just a detail.

After all, any regular student can leave school to work and then come back later, why not athletes?

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While I agree with you, technically, the student athletes can return to college (if they left in good standing) to complete their degrees. The only thing they can't do is play sports. The exception* to that rule with which I'm familiar is where an athlete went pro immediately out of high school and then returned to college after his pro career was over and opted to play another sport in college.

*J.R. Smith

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Why not? Who says so, the NCAA? Seems like every time they go to court they lose! The pendulum has swung to athletes' rights, so who knows what can happen in our strange new world.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA start winning cases as the pendulum begins shifting back in favor of associations. The NCAA would argue it's a voluntary association and that its members agree to abode by its rules in exchange for benefits it provides them. Moreover, the NCAA could argue its rules don't prevent students from engaging in athletic endeavors (after all, intramural sports exist exclusive of NCAA rules). Rather, the NCAA's rules regulate how its members may participate in varsity sports. A student who wants to market his NIL can do so without being a member of a varsity team, as is the case with countless social media influencers. I can see arguments like this working with more conservative jurists.

Of course, I haven't read the previous decisions where the NCAA has lost in court. I'm not exactly sure why the courts decided against the NCAA. But I don't really seeing the courts preventing a voluntary association from enforcing its own regulations against its members.

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The Supreme Court essentially ruled that college football and basketball are a $multibillion industry with each school an individual business and the players are workers in that business. A "trust" is a "combination of businesses" that come together to control a market. Our antitrust laws make that illegal. The NCAA can set rules, safety standards etc, but it cannot restrain the market. The Supreme Court rulings against the NCAA have been unanimous. Unlike most cases, the liberals, the conservatives all agree. The law is clear.

Major League Baseball has an antitrust exemption from Congress. The NFL and NBA have collective bargaining agreements with players unions. This is similar to how all the shipping lines are able to form an organization (the Pacific Maritime Association) to negotiate with the longshore union (the ILWU).

I don't think a single union for all college football players is feasible. It is more than 20,000 players, with thousands of prospective new members every year, many of whom are minors. Moreover, the following states have antiunion "right to work" laws:
Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indians, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming. That is pretty much the core of college football and basketball.

Really, the only hope of regulation would have to come from Congress. It could be a detailed system or they could simply give the NCAA an antitrust exemption and let them figure it out.