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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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This is why you don't look at bowl projections.

The only way this happens is if a) Alamo takes WSU over CU AND then holiday takes Cal over CU (neither of those would ever happen) or b) cal beats SMU, WSU loses to Wyoming (2-9). A bowl cannot take a team 2 wins better in overall standings.

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What is the exact language in this bowl agreement? WSU has zero conference wins, so if the rule is specifically win based, they would be the last place team. If I recall correctly, the bowl game order was only based on conference record and not out of conference record.

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I doubt Indpendence Bowl will want us again. We aren't going to Armed Forces Bowl because we would have just played in Dallas. It's LA or nothing. And if it's LA and during finals week, the team would be hard pressed to be hyped for any game. See 2023 Indy Bowl results.

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It won't be "nothing." A 6-win power conference team is not getting left out of a bowl game if they want to play in one. We'd be playing somewhere.

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By nothing I mean, the choices would be mid to bad. Indy doesn't want us again. Armed Forces would say "well, we just saw Cal in the Metroplex 27 days ago. And we'd be asking supporters to travel to Dallas twice? College Football Network and Sports Illustrated have us going to LA.

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I'm not sure the other choices below the Independence Bowl are really any worse than that.

LA Bowl does seem like the most likely destination, but it is contingent upon one of the ex-Pac Big 12 teams going to the playoff. If that doesn't happen, all bets are off.

ColoradoBear said:

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ducky23 said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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This is why you don't look at bowl projections.

The only way this happens is if a) Alamo takes WSU over CU AND then holiday takes Cal over CU (neither of those would ever happen) or b) cal beats SMU, WSU loses to Wyoming (2-9). A bowl cannot take a team 2 wins better in overall standings.

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What is the exact language in the bowl agreement? WSU has zero conference wins, so if the rule is specifically win based, they would be the last place team. If I recall correctly, the bowl game order was only based on conference record and not out of conference record.

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In that case, WSU should be picked last because they have the worst Pac-12 conference record (0-1).

01Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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Imagine if we see Texas Tech so often in post season that it becomes a rivalry

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I would think with our improved secondary and an experienced Mendoza we would do better this time around, would hope to get these guys eventually

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We need a new OL that can pass protect to get Mendoza time to pass. It'd also be nice if we had a OL that could open up holes for Jaydn and Jet to attack.

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Jet averages 5.8 yards per carry, which is right behind the top running back in the NCAAF who may win the Heisman.

ColoradoBear said:

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ducky23 said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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This is why you don't look at bowl projections.

The only way this happens is if a) Alamo takes WSU over CU AND then holiday takes Cal over CU (neither of those would ever happen) or b) cal beats SMU, WSU loses to Wyoming (2-9). A bowl cannot take a team 2 wins better in overall standings.

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What is the exact language in this bowl agreement? WSU has zero conference wins, so if the rule is specifically win based, they would be the last place team. If I recall correctly, the bowl game order was only based on conference record and not out of conference record.

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Found the old handbook - it's no longer on the p12 website.

https://cubuffs.com/documents/2022/9/26/2022-23_P12_Handbook.V2.1.pdf


(1) The Conference champion (per SPR 6-1-a) shall represent the Conference in the Rose Bowl in those years in which the Conference champion is not rated No. 1, 2, 3 or 4 in the College Football Playoff (CFP) final regular season rankings. In addition, as presented in SPR 6-1-e-(3), if every team does not play nine Conference games, the winning percentage in all regular-season Conference games played also shall be used to determine the subsequent positions in the standings of the other teams to determine bowl positions. (6/98, 6/06, 6/08, 3/12, 8/14)


It clearly states that if there are not 9 conference games played, the criteria is winning percentage. WSU has a zero winning percentage in conference so they would be the last selection if there were no changes in the selection rules.

ColoradoBear said:

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ColoradoBear said:

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ducky23 said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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This is why you don't look at bowl projections.

The only way this happens is if a) Alamo takes WSU over CU AND then holiday takes Cal over CU (neither of those would ever happen) or b) cal beats SMU, WSU loses to Wyoming (2-9). A bowl cannot take a team 2 wins better in overall standings.

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What is the exact language in this bowl agreement? WSU has zero conference wins, so if the rule is specifically win based, they would be the last place team. If I recall correctly, the bowl game order was only based on conference record and not out of conference record.

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Found the old handbook - it's no longer on the p12 website.

https://cubuffs.com/documents/2022/9/26/2022-23_P12_Handbook.V2.1.pdf


(1) The Conference champion (per SPR 6-1-a) shall represent the Conference in the Rose Bowl in those years in which the Conference champion is not rated No. 1, 2, 3 or 4 in the College Football Playoff (CFP) final regular season rankings. In addition, as presented in SPR 6-1-e-(3), if every team does not play nine Conference games, the winning percentage in all regular-season Conference games played also shall be used to determine the subsequent positions in the standings of the other teams to determine bowl positions. (6/98, 6/06, 6/08, 3/12, 8/14)


It clearly states that if there are not 9 conference games played, the criteria is winning percentage. WSU has a zero winning percentage in conference so they would be the last selection if there were no changes in the selection rules.

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Cool looks like Oregon is headed to the rose bowl then!

ColoradoBear said:

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ducky23 said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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This is why you don't look at bowl projections.

The only way this happens is if a) Alamo takes WSU over CU AND then holiday takes Cal over CU (neither of those would ever happen) or b) cal beats SMU, WSU loses to Wyoming (2-9). A bowl cannot take a team 2 wins better in overall standings.

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What is the exact language in this bowl agreement? WSU has zero conference wins, so if the rule is specifically win based, they would be the last place team. If I recall correctly, the bowl game order was only based on conference record and not out of conference record.

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"Yes, the same 12 schools that competed in the conference for years will participate in the same collection of bowls as in the past. But they are scattered across four leagues, complicating the process of comparing overall records.

And those records (ie overall record), not placement in the standings, will determine which teams go where for the holidays.

The Pac-12 bowl selection rules prevent one team from getting displaced by another if there's a difference of at least two wins."

https://tucson.com/sports/college/football/wildcats/pac-12-bowl-projections-midseason-checkup-shows-narrow-top-wide-middle-and-several-precarious-positions/article_8aaa49a8-8b16-11ef-bf16-4f93faf05a91.html#:~:text=Comment:%20The%20Pac%2D12%20bowl,Team:%20USC

ducky23 said:

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ColoradoBear said:

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ducky23 said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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This is why you don't look at bowl projections.

The only way this happens is if a) Alamo takes WSU over CU AND then holiday takes Cal over CU (neither of those would ever happen) or b) cal beats SMU, WSU loses to Wyoming (2-9). A bowl cannot take a team 2 wins better in overall standings.

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What is the exact language in this bowl agreement? WSU has zero conference wins, so if the rule is specifically win based, they would be the last place team. If I recall correctly, the bowl game order was only based on conference record and not out of conference record.

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"Yes, the same 12 schools that competed in the conference for years will participate in the same collection of bowls as in the past. But they are scattered across four leagues, complicating the process of comparing overall records.

And those records (ie overall record), not placement in the standings, will determine which teams go where for the holidays.

The Pac-12 bowl selection rules prevent one team from getting displaced by another if there's a difference of at least two wins."

https://tucson.com/sports/college/football/wildcats/pac-12-bowl-projections-midseason-checkup-shows-narrow-top-wide-middle-and-several-precarious-positions/article_8aaa49a8-8b16-11ef-bf16-4f93faf05a91.html#:~:text=Comment:%20The%20Pac%2D12%20bowl,Team:%20USC

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Appreciate the link.

To me, it looks like the Sun Bowl is still in play regardless of the SMU outcome (UW and USC would be within 1 win as they are 6-5 now and USC completely dissed the Sun Bowl last time they went).

Beat SMU and potentially more bowls open up - even the Alamo if ASU (or less likely CU) makes the playoffs.

All I want for the team is to avoid the LA Bowl. The date during finals week will make it have the intensity of a spring scrimmage IMO. Vegas or Holiday Bowl would be great and since that would require a win over SMU, that would also make Cal more compelling.

Sigh.

I feel like I'm just repeating myself over and over, but it's ok.

So there are very very very few scenarios in which Alamo or Holiday are possible (even assuming ASU makes playoffs).

If either CU or WSU wins 1 more game, Cal cannot pass them on the bowl pecking order (even so, there is no scenario in which a bowl will pick Cal over Deion even if CU gets stuck at 8).

CU is playing 3-9 Okl st next and WSU is playing a 2-9 Wyoming. So take what you will from that.

Vegas and Sun I suppose are on the table if you assume a 7 win Cal team is more attractive to them than a 6 win SC and UW team. (If you look at TV ratings of these three teams, it's not a close contest).

By far the highest likelihood is LA Bowl. If ASU makes playoffs, by far the most likely destination is LA (in my opinion, even if cal beats SMU)

If ASU does not make playoffs, it's probably 50/50 whether LA bowl takes either Cal or UW. The calgorithm and fact that we have so many alums in socal may overcome the tv ratings factor. Maybe.

If Cal is not in LA, my bet would be either Armed Forced, Gasparilla or First Responders.

If LA had its choice between Cal and Washington, they will pick Cal. They were thinking really hard of Cal last year given how we finished the year compared to UCLA and just ended up going with the home team based on pre ticket sales last year.

I'm sure the Cal Twitter people will push hard for Vegas though, because they reach for the stars.

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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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Imagine if we see Texas Tech so often in post season that it becomes a rivalry

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I would think with our improved secondary and an experienced Mendoza we would do better this time around, would hope to get these guys eventually

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We need a new OL that can pass protect to get Mendoza time to pass. It'd also be nice if we had a OL that could open up holes for Jaydn and Jet to attack.

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Jet averages 5.8 yards per carry, which is right behind the top running back in the NCAAF who may win the Heisman.

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Yes, but most of his yardage came from bouncing outside, not from finding holes inside. When he tried to run i side, he usually got stuffed for minimal or no yardage.

ducky23 said:

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Sigh.

I feel like I'm just repeating myself over and over, but it's ok.

So there are very very very few scenarios in which Alamo or Holiday are possible (even assuming ASU makes playoffs).

If either CU or WSU wins 1 more game, Cal cannot pass them on the bowl pecking order (even so, there is no scenario in which a bowl will pick Cal over Deion even if CU gets stuck at 8).

CU is playing 3-9 Okl st next and WSU is playing a 2-9 Wyoming. So take what you will from that.

Vegas and Sun I suppose are on the table if you assume a 7 win Cal team is more attractive to them than a 6 win SC and UW team. (If you look at TV ratings of these three teams, it's not a close contest).

By far the highest likelihood is LA Bowl. If ASU makes playoffs, by far the most likely destination is LA (in my opinion, even if cal beats SMU)

If ASU does not make playoffs, it's probably 50/50 whether LA bowl takes either Cal or UW. The calgorithm and fact that we have so many alums in socal may overcome the tv ratings factor. Maybe.

If Cal is not in LA, my bet would be either Armed Forced, Gasparilla or First Responders.

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Tampa would be fantastic!

bearsandgiants said:

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ducky23 said:

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Sigh.

I feel like I'm just repeating myself over and over, but it's ok.

So there are very very very few scenarios in which Alamo or Holiday are possible (even assuming ASU makes playoffs).

If either CU or WSU wins 1 more game, Cal cannot pass them on the bowl pecking order (even so, there is no scenario in which a bowl will pick Cal over Deion even if CU gets stuck at 8).

CU is playing 3-9 Okl st next and WSU is playing a 2-9 Wyoming. So take what you will from that.

Vegas and Sun I suppose are on the table if you assume a 7 win Cal team is more attractive to them than a 6 win SC and UW team. (If you look at TV ratings of these three teams, it's not a close contest).

By far the highest likelihood is LA Bowl. If ASU makes playoffs, by far the most likely destination is LA (in my opinion, even if cal beats SMU)

If ASU does not make playoffs, it's probably 50/50 whether LA bowl takes either Cal or UW. The calgorithm and fact that we have so many alums in socal may overcome the tv ratings factor. Maybe.

If Cal is not in LA, my bet would be either Armed Forced, Gasparilla or First Responders.

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Tampa would be fantastic!

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Honestly, Gasparilla would be my choice over Sun or the other ESPN bowls. Florida is projected to play there. That would be fun. If it's Florida, I'd actually consider making that trip.

I am not spending New Year's Eve in El Paso. And I'd prefer not going back to Texas…again for what would be the third time in like two years for a cal game.

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UW 6-5
SC 6-5
(UCLA is out at 4-7)

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This makes me tear up. *sniffle*

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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This is why you don't look at bowl projections.

The only way this happens is if a) Alamo takes WSU over CU AND then holiday takes Cal over CU (neither of those would ever happen) or b) cal beats SMU, WSU loses to Wyoming (2-9). A bowl cannot take a team 2 wins better in overall standings.

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I can see this rule being binding if we're actually in the same conference, but they're really in the MWC, have losses to OSU and New Mexico, and barely beat SDSU...

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Yeah…well….thems still the rules

"The bowl games will continue to deploy the "agreed upon selection process among current and former Pac-12 football teams," according to the conference.

The bowls are expected to take steps to avoid rematches of conference games, if possible."

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Right, "binding" is not the point, the point is that the bowl games agreed amongst themselves to use the old Pac-12 bowl places for ex-Pac teams and apply the Pac's former rules (using overall records) for this season and next, in order to avoid changing conference bowl assignments before the current round of bowl-conference contracts has ended.

Can't see Sheduer, Shilo, or Travis Hunter playing in a meaningless bowl game with the NFL draft coming up.

Maybe not the right place for this question, but shouldn't the CFB playoff at least share some of the wealth with the players... Just to ensure participation? $1.3 billion dollars of value and some players could be playing 4 extra games for nothing.

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Can't see Sheduer, Shilo, or Travis Hunter playing in a meaningless bowl game with the NFL draft coming up.

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Deion being the scammer he is, he might promise the bowl representatives that those guys will play, and then have them play only the first series of the game...

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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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Imagine if we see Texas Tech so often in post season that it becomes a rivalry

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I would think with our improved secondary and an experienced Mendoza we would do better this time around, would hope to get these guys eventually

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We need a new OL that can pass protect to get Mendoza time to pass. It'd also be nice if we had a OL that could open up holes for Jaydn and Jet to attack.

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Jet averages 5.8 yards per carry, which is right behind the top running back in the NCAAF who may win the Heisman.

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Yes, but most of his yardage came from bouncing outside, not from finding holes inside. When he tried to run i side, he usually got stuffed for minimal or no yardage.

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Not really. He bounced outside a few times behind the line, but most of his runs involved darting through a hole and then making a decision.

Cal Bears ticket office is selling tickets to the bowl - All 14 of them! LOL. Thats how unsettled things are.

oski003 said:

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01Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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Imagine if we see Texas Tech so often in post season that it becomes a rivalry

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I would think with our improved secondary and an experienced Mendoza we would do better this time around, would hope to get these guys eventually

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We need a new OL that can pass protect to get Mendoza time to pass. It'd also be nice if we had a OL that could open up holes for Jaydn and Jet to attack.

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Jet averages 5.8 yards per carry, which is right behind the top running back in the NCAAF who may win the Heisman.

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Wow! The more you see these stats the more you know Ott was hurt all year. Really tough break unless because of this he falls to a better team in the draft after a full recovery.

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01Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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01Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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Sporting News has us in Holiday against Texas Tech. I can only imagine its cause of ticket sales - i think we did well in our two trips to the Holiday Bowl. They pick after Alamo Bowl right?

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Imagine if we see Texas Tech so often in post season that it becomes a rivalry

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I would think with our improved secondary and an experienced Mendoza we would do better this time around, would hope to get these guys eventually

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We need a new OL that can pass protect to get Mendoza time to pass. It'd also be nice if we had a OL that could open up holes for Jaydn and Jet to attack.

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Jet averages 5.8 yards per carry, which is right behind the top running back in the NCAAF who may win the Heisman.

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Yes, but most of his yardage came from bouncing outside, not from finding holes inside. When he tried to run i side, he usually got stuffed for minimal or no yardage.

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Not really. He bounced outside a few times behind the line, but most of his runs involved darting through a hole and then making a decision.

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Jet has 3 long TD runs this season. All were runs inside the tackles.