philly1121 said:

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ducky23 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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The non NYD bowls have always been irrelevant - except to those schools and fan bases invited to them.

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That's not true at all. It's actually very very very relevant to a very specific part of the population.

Why do you think these minor bowl games get such decent ratings?

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It doesn't really matter if they get decent ratings - most of these bowls are owned and fronted by ESPN. And the sponsorship is front end money that the NCAA and ESPN get. But they get ratings because in the middle of December, there's nothing else on. So they're counting on the holiday tradition of people eating and drinking watching two 6-6 teams battle it out to double overtime. You gonna watch a rerun of Young Sheldon or watch two teams in a half empty stadium in Montgomery, Alabama?

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Bobodeluxe said:

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What's a normie?

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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CheezIt Bear said:

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southseasbear said:

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I know this won't be received well but a team that finished .500, with a losing conference record, and which did not beat a single team with a winning record does not belong in a bowl game.

Of course, the extra practice time is helpful . . ., or is it? After all, it is more practice time with this coaching staff.

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lol. You've just described the process through which the vast majority of the SEC has qualified for bowl games over the last 20 years.

The players absolutely deserve this recognition. They've worked hard and sacrifice more than you can know. Traveling across country to the south three times and winning 2/3 of those games is an accomplishment. If it doesn't meet with your personal standards, you're free not to watch.

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Recognition? LOL. These are games that nobody outside of the fanbases of those teams cares about. It's a celebration of non-achievement. The word accomplishment does not belong in any description of this year's team.

And furthermore, LOL at your selective math. Is Dallas not in the south? Is Tallahassee not in the south? You can try all you want to sell victories over a 5-7 Auburn team and a 4-8 Wake Forest team as some monumental achievement, but people actually watched the season. And why does the trip east to Pittsburgh not matter to you?

Cal had only five road games this year versus seven home games and went 2-3 in those games. That's reality. Whatever you're trying to sell here is something else.

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SB's point is that the bowl game is a reward for the players even if a particular bowl game doesn't excite casual fans. This year there will be about 20 teams in bowls with only 6 wins. Just let 'em play and don't be a cranky old man about it.

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I think the issue is calling "making a bowl" at 6-6 (2-6) with only wins against FCS or FBS teams with losing records an "accomplishment."

With the 12 team playoffs and other 36 FBS bowl games that is 84 FBS teams "in a bowl." Being one of the last 20 in at 6-6 puts us in the bottom half of FBS and finishing in the bottom 4 of the ACC makes us one of the worst P4 teams for the 8th time. We had the talent to be 10-2 or better. 6-6 (2-6) is a serious underachievement, not an accomplishment.

But yes, let's go to the LA Bowl and enjoy it, hopefully win it. It is good for the players and fans, Just don't use it to call Wilcox a good coach.

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Negabear3000 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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CheezIt Bear said:

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Sebastabear said:

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southseasbear said:

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I know this won't be received well but a team that finished .500, with a losing conference record, and which did not beat a single team with a winning record does not belong in a bowl game.

Of course, the extra practice time is helpful . . ., or is it? After all, it is more practice time with this coaching staff.

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lol. You've just described the process through which the vast majority of the SEC has qualified for bowl games over the last 20 years.

The players absolutely deserve this recognition. They've worked hard and sacrifice more than you can know. Traveling across country to the south three times and winning 2/3 of those games is an accomplishment. If it doesn't meet with your personal standards, you're free not to watch.

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Recognition? LOL. These are games that nobody outside of the fanbases of those teams cares about. It's a celebration of non-achievement. The word accomplishment does not belong in any description of this year's team.

And furthermore, LOL at your selective math. Is Dallas not in the south? Is Tallahassee not in the south? You can try all you want to sell victories over a 5-7 Auburn team and a 4-8 Wake Forest team as some monumental achievement, but people actually watched the season. And why does the trip east to Pittsburgh not matter to you?

Cal had only five road games this year versus seven home games and went 2-3 in those games. That's reality. Whatever you're trying to sell here is something else.

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SB's point is that the bowl game is a reward for the players even if a particular bowl game doesn't excite casual fans. This year there will be about 20 teams in bowls with only 6 wins. Just let 'em play and don't be a cranky old man about it.

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I think the issue is calling "making a bowl" at 6-6 (2-6) with only wins against FCS or FBS teams with losing records an "accomplishment."

With the 12 team playoffs and other 36 FBS bowl games that is 84 FBS teams "in a bowl." Being one of the last 20 in at 6-6 puts us in the bottom half of FBS and finishing in the bottom 4 of the ACC makes us one of the worst P4 teams for the 8th time. We had the talent to be 10-2 or better. 6-6 (2-6) is a serious underachievement, not an accomplishment.

But yes, let's go to the LA Bowl and enjoy it, hopefully win it. It is good for the players and fans, Just don't use it to call Wilcox a good coach.

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extra 2 weeks of practice is probably the most important benefit of a lower tier bowl.

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Is two more weeks of practice under Wilcox a benefit?

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philly1121 said:

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Negabear3000 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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CheezIt Bear said:

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Sebastabear said:

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southseasbear said:

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I know this won't be received well but a team that finished .500, with a losing conference record, and which did not beat a single team with a winning record does not belong in a bowl game.

Of course, the extra practice time is helpful . . ., or is it? After all, it is more practice time with this coaching staff.

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lol. You've just described the process through which the vast majority of the SEC has qualified for bowl games over the last 20 years.

The players absolutely deserve this recognition. They've worked hard and sacrifice more than you can know. Traveling across country to the south three times and winning 2/3 of those games is an accomplishment. If it doesn't meet with your personal standards, you're free not to watch.

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Recognition? LOL. These are games that nobody outside of the fanbases of those teams cares about. It's a celebration of non-achievement. The word accomplishment does not belong in any description of this year's team.

And furthermore, LOL at your selective math. Is Dallas not in the south? Is Tallahassee not in the south? You can try all you want to sell victories over a 5-7 Auburn team and a 4-8 Wake Forest team as some monumental achievement, but people actually watched the season. And why does the trip east to Pittsburgh not matter to you?

Cal had only five road games this year versus seven home games and went 2-3 in those games. That's reality. Whatever you're trying to sell here is something else.

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SB's point is that the bowl game is a reward for the players even if a particular bowl game doesn't excite casual fans. This year there will be about 20 teams in bowls with only 6 wins. Just let 'em play and don't be a cranky old man about it.

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I think the issue is calling "making a bowl" at 6-6 (2-6) with only wins against FCS or FBS teams with losing records an "accomplishment."

With the 12 team playoffs and other 36 FBS bowl games that is 84 FBS teams "in a bowl." Being one of the last 20 in at 6-6 puts us in the bottom half of FBS and finishing in the bottom 4 of the ACC makes us one of the worst P4 teams for the 8th time. We had the talent to be 10-2 or better. 6-6 (2-6) is a serious underachievement, not an accomplishment.

But yes, let's go to the LA Bowl and enjoy it, hopefully win it. It is good for the players and fans, Just don't use it to call Wilcox a good coach.

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extra 2 weeks of practice is probably the most important benefit of a lower tier bowl.

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Is two more weeks of practice under Wilcox a benefit?

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It wasn't for the Independence Bowl. No effect as our record this year shows.

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ducktilldeath said:

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Oh good grief we're doing the "extra practice" argument now and people are still swallowing it without gagging.

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ducktilldeath said:

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Oh good grief we're doing the "extra practice" argument now and people are still swallowing it without gagging.

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Rushinbear said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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Oh good grief we're doing the "extra practice" argument now and people are still swallowing it without gagging.

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you think it isn't a benefit?

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Rushinbear said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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Oh good grief we're doing the "extra practice" argument now and people are still swallowing it without gagging.

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you think it isn't a benefit?

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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Oh good grief we're doing the "extra practice" argument now and people are still swallowing it without gagging.

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you think it isn't a benefit?

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They use most of those practices to involve and evaluate underclassmen and redshirts for next year. Other than implementing the game plan they already know what they have for the bowl game. Yes it is beneficial.

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smh said:

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> Yea, last year's bowl was great at tempering expectations..

bearly related words to live by: life is short, then we die

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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Oh good grief we're doing the "extra practice" argument now and people are still swallowing it without gagging.

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you think it isn't a benefit?

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They use most of those practices to involve and evaluate underclassmen and redshirts for next year. Other than implementing the game plan they already know what they have for the bowl game. Yes it is beneficial.

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Yea, last year's bowl was great at tempering expectations and foreshadowing how Bloesch would lead the offense. Can you imagine if we won that game against TT? Sunshine pumpers would've been claiming that we would be a 12-0 team and guaranteed to be in the ACC championship

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Alkiadt said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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Oh good grief we're doing the "extra practice" argument now and people are still swallowing it without gagging.

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you think it isn't a benefit?

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They use most of those practices to involve and evaluate underclassmen and redshirts for next year. Other than implementing the game plan they already know what they have for the bowl game. Yes it is beneficial.

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Yea, last year's bowl was great at tempering expectations and foreshadowing how Bloesch would lead the offense. Can you imagine if we won that game against TT? Sunshine pumpers would've been claiming that we would be a 12-0 team and guaranteed to be in the ACC championship

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Bloesch and Plough had taken over the offense and play calling the last three games of last season. Spav was no longer involved. Maybe it was all Plough?

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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Oh good grief we're doing the "extra practice" argument now and people are still swallowing it without gagging.

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you think it isn't a benefit?

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They use most of those practices to involve and evaluate underclassmen and redshirts for next year. Other than implementing the game plan they already know what they have for the bowl game. Yes it is beneficial.

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Yea, last year's bowl was great at tempering expectations and foreshadowing how Bloesch would lead the offense. Can you imagine if we won that game against TT? Sunshine pumpers would've been claiming that we would be a 12-0 team and guaranteed to be in the ACC championship

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philly1121 said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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Oh good grief we're doing the "extra practice" argument now and people are still swallowing it without gagging.

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you think it isn't a benefit?

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They use most of those practices to involve and evaluate underclassmen and redshirts for next year. Other than implementing the game plan they already know what they have for the bowl game. Yes it is beneficial.

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Really? They don't eval during the year? Underclassman? What happened to eval during the season?

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