After a disappointing season due to injury and lack of any kind of run blocking, does Ott test the NFL waters, head for another program with a decent offensive line to increase his NFL draft standings, or hang around for another season with the promise that Cal shores up the line with decent portal prospects?

Would love it if he stays, but he probably hurts his future prospects if he gambles on Cal.

Unless we do something nutty and get a truckload of OL portal transfers, he needs to leave to re-build his draft stock

He'll leave for a school with a decent offensive line. Unfortunately, it makes no sense for him to stay, and his NFL stock is down after this miserable season.

This also raises the question of whether good RBs would want to come to Cal. A pre-season All-ACC RB couldn't do anything. Why would any good RB want to come to Cal, especially if he has hopes of playing in the NFL?

There are only so many Joe Igbers. Pretty much every RB who has NFL talent wants to play in the NFL. They're going to go somewhere where the OL can actually run block.

Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation. Or at least P4 RBs with 50 carries...

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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This also raises the question of whether good RBs would want to come to Cal. A pre-season All-ACC RB couldn't do anything. Why would any good RB want to come to Cal, especially if he has hopes of playing in the NFL?

There are only so many Joe Igbers. Pretty much every RB who has NFL talent wants to play in the NFL. They're going to go somewhere where the OL can actually run block.

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While the O-Line was terrible this season, tbf, Ott's awful season has more to do with Ott himself (and his injury), and the baffling play calling than the line. Jet averaged a very healthy 6.6 yards per carry this season.

Based on not playing after medical clearance and his lethargic play, I think it's doubtful that Ott is even drafted. If so, a very late round pick.

The whole situation was baffling, but not surprising for a staff that doesn't do anything right.

First, Ott didn't look right even in that first game against UC Davis before he got hurt.

Then, the coaches continued to play him most the season when he had proven to be ineffective. In particular against SMU. I find it hard to be believe both Calloway and Cardwell would have been less effective than 2.8 yards per carry.

In fact, per the box score (must have been after I stopped watching), Cardwell carried 3 times for 14 yards against SMU.

Imagine if the team would have gotten a couple more yards per carry on average by playing the other RBs, and the coaches put Harris in after the Rodgers had proven to be ineffective rather then when the game was lost.

We would have still lost as Wilcox is incapable of beating decent teams, but at least the game would have provided some entertainment value.

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

Lethargic? Come on now

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Lethargic? Come on now

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Its embarassing when the tv announcers say running Ott into the middle is stupid.

DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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Ignorance?

What does Ott do?

Stifle a belly laugh on the way to the bank?

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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Ignorance?

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You guys are ridiculous. You are seriously comparing him to folks who got less than 10 carries the entire season. Lol, you are a real hoot!

DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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Sorry, Syracuse WR Z. Haynes is a much more prolific rusher. He had one carry for 11 yards. Carry on with your honest self!

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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Sorry, Syracuse WR Z. Haynes is a much more prolific rusher. He had one carry for 11 yards. Carry on with your honest self!

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Thomas is neither a top 10 RB by rushing yards or yards per carry by any metric. The amount of mental gymnastics you will need to do to make him appear as a top 10 RB is sad and pathetic, but not unusual for what I expect from you. Keep posting your alternative facts and living in a world of your own delusion.

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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Sorry, Syracuse WR Z. Haynes is a much more prolific rusher. He had one carry for 11 yards. Carry on with your honest self!

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Thomas is neither a top 10 RB by rushing yards or yards per carry by any metric. The amount of mental gymnastics you will need to do to make him appear as a top 10 RB is sad and pathetic, but not unusual for what I expect from you. Keep posting your alternative facts and living in a world of your own delusion.

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Jaivian Thomas is 14th in rushing yards in the ACC and only one running back above him has more yards per carry. The amount of misleading mental gymnastics you do to discredit his incredible yards per carry average is sad and pathetic, but not unusual for what I expect from you.

6.6 yards per carry is an excellent rushing stat for a running back with nearly 100 carries. Grow up.

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaGoldenBearsOn247Sports/videos/1981827785669620/?mibextid=CDWPTG

oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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No knock against Jet, but he didn't even break 600 yards on the season. That's not great for a RB. Sure, he split time in the backfield with Jaydn, but that also goes to show either (1) the OL was not great at run blocking this year, (2) the OC was inept at playcalling, or (3) a combination of the above. Either way, the issue remains the same, why would a RB with potential NFL talent want to come to Cal?

01Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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No knock against Jet, but he didn't even break 600 yards on the season. That's not great for a RB. Sure, he split time in the backfield with Jaydn, but that also goes to show either (1) the OL was not great at run blocking this year, (2) the OC was inept at playcalling, or (3) a combination of the above. Either way, the issue remains the same, why would a RB with potential NFL talent want to come to Cal?

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Last year we had a top conference running back. Next year, we will likely have the same, assuming Jet stays healthy.

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01Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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No knock against Jet, but he didn't even break 600 yards on the season. That's not great for a RB. Sure, he split time in the backfield with Jaydn, but that also goes to show either (1) the OL was not great at run blocking this year, (2) the OC was inept at playcalling, or (3) a combination of the above. Either way, the issue remains the same, why would a RB with potential NFL talent want to come to Cal?

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Last year we had a top conference running back. Next year, we will likely have the same, assuming Jet stays healthy.

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Last year, we had Spav as OC.

go away. ott will transfer and i wouldnt be surprised if JT did as well.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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Sorry, Syracuse WR Z. Haynes is a much more prolific rusher. He had one carry for 11 yards. Carry on with your honest self!

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Thomas is neither a top 10 RB by rushing yards or yards per carry by any metric. The amount of mental gymnastics you will need to do to make him appear as a top 10 RB is sad and pathetic, but not unusual for what I expect from you. Keep posting your alternative facts and living in a world of your own delusion.

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Jaivian Thomas is 14th in rushing yards in the ACC and only one running back above him has more yards per carry. The amount of misleading mental gymnastics you do to discredit his incredible yards per carry average is sad and pathetic, but not unusual for what I expect from you.

6.6 yards per carry is an excellent rushing stat for a running back with nearly 100 carries. Grow up.

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaGoldenBearsOn247Sports/videos/1981827785669620/?mibextid=CDWPTG

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14th in the ACC means top 10 in the entire country! I learned so much about fake news from you

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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Sorry, Syracuse WR Z. Haynes is a much more prolific rusher. He had one carry for 11 yards. Carry on with your honest self!

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Thomas is neither a top 10 RB by rushing yards or yards per carry by any metric. The amount of mental gymnastics you will need to do to make him appear as a top 10 RB is sad and pathetic, but not unusual for what I expect from you. Keep posting your alternative facts and living in a world of your own delusion.

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Jaivian Thomas is 14th in rushing yards in the ACC and only one running back above him has more yards per carry. The amount of misleading mental gymnastics you do to discredit his incredible yards per carry average is sad and pathetic, but not unusual for what I expect from you.

6.6 yards per carry is an excellent rushing stat for a running back with nearly 100 carries. Grow up.

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaGoldenBearsOn247Sports/videos/1981827785669620/?mibextid=CDWPTG

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14th in the ACC means top 10 in the entire country! I learned so much about fake news from you

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That's a different stat. Put down the bong.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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Sorry, Syracuse WR Z. Haynes is a much more prolific rusher. He had one carry for 11 yards. Carry on with your honest self!

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Thomas is neither a top 10 RB by rushing yards or yards per carry by any metric. The amount of mental gymnastics you will need to do to make him appear as a top 10 RB is sad and pathetic, but not unusual for what I expect from you. Keep posting your alternative facts and living in a world of your own delusion.

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Jaivian Thomas is 14th in rushing yards in the ACC and only one running back above him has more yards per carry. The amount of misleading mental gymnastics you do to discredit his incredible yards per carry average is sad and pathetic, but not unusual for what I expect from you.

6.6 yards per carry is an excellent rushing stat for a running back with nearly 100 carries. Grow up.

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaGoldenBearsOn247Sports/videos/1981827785669620/?mibextid=CDWPTG

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14th in the ACC means top 10 in the entire country! I learned so much about fake news from you

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That's a different stat. Put down the bong.

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14th in rushing yards in the ACC is his best stat. With yards per carry he's nowhere near top 10 of anything. Your lying is so blatant, even the Trump administration wouldn't want anything to do with you.

All RBs (Min. 50 carries)

1) Duke Watson (Louisville) 57 514 9.0
2) Noah Short (Army) 57 483 8.5
3) AJ Turner (Marshall) 104 864 8.3
4) Quinten Joyner (USC) 63 478 7.6
5) Fluff Bothwell (South Alabama) 111 832 7.5
5) Evan Pryor (Cincinnati) 56 418 7.5
7) Ashton Jeanty (Boise State) 312 2,288 7.3
7) Jadarian Price (Notre Dame) 89 651 7.3
7) Eli Heidenreich (Navy) 55 402 7.3
7) Isaac Brown (Louisville) 147 1,074 7.3
11) Jordan McDonald (Boston College) 50 362 7.2
11) Eli Sanders (New Mexico) 147 1,063 7.2
13) Jeremiyah Love (Notre Dame) 134 949 7.1
13) Dre'lyn Washington (Louisiana) 65 459 7.1
15) Kelley Joiner (South Florida) 110 766 7.0
15) TreVeyon Henderson (Ohio State) 108 751 7.0
17) Durell Robinson (Connecticut) 107 731 6.8
17) RJ Harvey (Central Florida) 232 1,577 6.8
17) Shane Porter (North Texas) 95 643 6.8
20) Jaden Nixon (Western Michigan) 132 874 6.6
20) Keyon Mozee (Miami Ohio) 159 1,045 6.6
20) Javian Thomas (Cal) 91 598 6.6
20) DJ Giddens (Kansas State) 205 1,343 6.6

"P4" RBs (Min. 50 carries)

1) Duke Watson (Louisville) 57 514 9.0
2) Quinten Joyner (USC) 63 478 7.6
3) Evan Pryor (Cincinnati) 56 418 7.5
4) Jadarian Price (Notre Dame) 89 651 7.3
4) Isaac Brown (Louisville) 147 1,074 7.3
6) Jordan McDonald (Boston College) 50 362 7.2
7) Jeremiyah Love (Notre Dame) 134 949 7.1
8) TreVeyon Henderson (Ohio State) 108 751 7.0
9) RJ Harvey (Central Florida) 232 1,577 6.8
10) Javian Thomas (Cal) 91 598 6.6
10) DJ Giddens (Kansas State) 205 1,343 6.6

DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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WRs with 7 carries hardly qualify.

He's 26th in the nation.

https://cfbstats.com/2024/leader/national/player/split01/category01/sort02.html

21st for RBs.

DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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Um, the information on Jet (6.6 ypc) was stipulated (in a different post) for all RBs with a minimum of 50 carries. Which makes Javian like 10th among all P4 RBs.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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Jaivian Thomas averaged 6.6 yards per carry this season, which is top ten for all running backs in the entire nation.

There is quite a bit of ignorance on this thread.

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Why are you lying? At 6.6 ypc he's not even top 10 in the ACC https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/1/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

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Um, the information on Jet (6.6 ypc) was stipulated (in a different post) for all RBs "with a minimum of 50 carries." Which makes Javian like 10th among "all" P4 RBs.

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How much NIL money do Cal RBs get?

FCS stud Lan Larrison at UC Davis was offered 400K by an FBS program last off season, which he turned down.

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How much NIL money do Cal RBs get?

FCS stud Lan Larrison at UC Davis was offered 400K by an FBS program last off season, which he turned down.

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The word is Ott got 250k

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What does Ott do?

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He takes the handoff, advances 2 yards, and slams into a wall of beef for No Gain.

Pretty exciting stuff!

Some of these posts are pathetic and unnecessary. Ott is a brilliant talent. I hope he gets time to get at least three solid medical opinions and pursue his healing with his ability to provide 100% effort and focus. Our cynical, negative world could use more views of his brilliance.

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Some of these posts are pathetic and unnecessary. Ott is a brilliant talent. I hope he gets time to get at least three solid medical opinions and pursue his healing with his ability to provide 100% effort and focus. Our cynical, negative world could use more views of his brilliance.

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I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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Some of these posts are pathetic and unnecessary. Ott is a brilliant talent. I hope he gets time to get at least three solid medical opinions and pursue his healing with his ability to provide 100% effort and focus. Our cynical, negative world could use more views of his brilliance.

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For the record
My post was not necessarily critical of Ott. I'm just saying that's what happens.
Could be play calling, blocking schemes, O-line talent, the opponent….

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BearoutEast67 said:

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Some of these posts are pathetic and unnecessary. Ott is a brilliant talent. I hope he gets time to get at least three solid medical opinions and pursue his healing with his ability to provide 100% effort and focus. Our cynical, negative world could use more views of his brilliance.

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For the record
My post was not necessarily critical of Ott. I'm just saying that's what happens.
Could be play calling, blocking schemes, O-line talent, the opponent….

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It's primarily the play calling and blocking schemes. The OL has been bad this year.