Rushinbear said:

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StillNoStanfurdium said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CalBarn said:

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falseintellect said:

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

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Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

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time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

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Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

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How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

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If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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StillNoStanfurdium said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CalBarn said:

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falseintellect said:

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

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Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

---

time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

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Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

---

How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

---

If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

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The Knowlton issue is complicated. There are multiple lawsuits by swimmers and one by Mckeever against the university. I'm no lawyer but I'd bet that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers. Just firing Knowlton may be much more expensive than any buyout. Just my guess.

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Rushinbear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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StillNoStanfurdium said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CalBarn said:

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falseintellect said:

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

---

Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

---

time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

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Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

---

How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

---

If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

---

The Knowlton issue is complicated. There are multiple lawsuits by swimmers and one by Mckeever against the university. I'm no lawyer but I'd bet that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers. Just firing Knowlton may be much more expensive than any buyout. Just my guess.

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so, he's gotta wait until he gets the report so he can can him for just cause? and, knowing this Knowlton's lawyers will delay and delay, as any good lawyer would? Is Lyons willing to wait maybe years? That would cost much more than a buyout. And, if I'm him, I've got my lawyers trying to suck up to at least one member of the Board of Regents, maybe with a threat of litigation against THEM.

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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StillNoStanfurdium said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CalBarn said:

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falseintellect said:

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

---

Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

---

time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

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Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

---

How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

---

If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

---

The Knowlton issue is complicated. There are multiple lawsuits by swimmers and one by Mckeever against the university. I'm no lawyer but I'd bet that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers. Just firing Knowlton may be much more expensive than any buyout. Just my guess.

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so, he's gotta wait until he gets the report so he can can him for just cause? and, knowing this Knowlton's lawyers will delay and delay, as any good lawyer would? Is Lyons willing to wait maybe years? That would cost much more than a buyout. And, if I'm him, I've got my lawyers trying to suck up to at least one member of the Board of Regents, maybe with a threat of litigation against THEM.

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Like I said, I'm no lawyer. But I do know that any Lawyers on UC's side work for the regents and UC President Drake. Lyons threatening to sue them is beyond laughable. Thanks.

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Shocky1 said:

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there is a direct correlation between the low income losers on this board like doubtful bear/philly bear who can't afford to attend any cal football games & those with negative non constructive attitudes that can't find any aspects of cal football enjoyable

if u honestly can't see the FUN factor of going to los angeles (nobu malibu, shopping on rodeo/melrose, golf at riv & lacc, drinks at chateau marmont, etc) while rooting for ur alma mater (not a **** academic skool like ducktilldeath's worthless degree) in a game that means so much to the players, their families & the program in setting up a successful 2025 season why try to drag like sofa king trumpanzee those berkeley grads that r happy people into ur sad world of socioeconomic depression/posting caustic **** on a gameday thread??

Cal Bears party at the Rose Bowl pic.twitter.com/O6Jo1oWx4f

— Cal Rivals (@CalRivals) November 26, 2023

an inclusive party in los angeles, everybody is invited (including the losers of the world)#

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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StillNoStanfurdium said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CalBarn said:

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falseintellect said:

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

---

Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

---

time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

---

Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

---

How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

---

If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

---

The Knowlton issue is complicated. There are multiple lawsuits by swimmers and one by Mckeever against the university. I'm no lawyer but I'd bet that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers. Just firing Knowlton may be much more expensive than any buyout. Just my guess.

---

so, he's gotta wait until he gets the report so he can can him for just cause? and, knowing this Knowlton's lawyers will delay and delay, as any good lawyer would? Is Lyons willing to wait maybe years? That would cost much more than a buyout. And, if I'm him, I've got my lawyers trying to suck up to at least one member of the Board of Regents, maybe with a threat of litigation against THEM.

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Like I said, I'm no lawyer. But I do know that any Lawyers on UC's side work for the regents and UC President Drake. So Lyons should threaten to sue them? Thanks for the laugh!

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the biggest joke is you trying to find excuses for why Knowlton can't be fired. Loser with defeatist mentality

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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StillNoStanfurdium said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CalBarn said:

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falseintellect said:

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

---

Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

---

time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

---

Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

---

How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

---

If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

---

The Knowlton issue is complicated. There are multiple lawsuits by swimmers and one by Mckeever against the university. I'm no lawyer but I'd bet that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers. Just firing Knowlton may be much more expensive than any buyout. Just my guess.

---

so, he's gotta wait until he gets the report so he can can him for just cause? and, knowing this Knowlton's lawyers will delay and delay, as any good lawyer would? Is Lyons willing to wait maybe years? That would cost much more than a buyout. And, if I'm him, I've got my lawyers trying to suck up to at least one member of the Board of Regents, maybe with a threat of litigation against THEM.

---

Like I said, I'm no lawyer. But I do know that any Lawyers on UC's side work for the regents and UC President Drake. So Lyons should threaten to sue them? Thanks for the laugh!

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the biggest joke is you trying to find excuses for why Knowlton can't be fired. Loser with defeatist mentality

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01Bear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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StillNoStanfurdium said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CalBarn said:

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falseintellect said:

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

---

Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

---

time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

---

Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

---

How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

---

If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

---

The Knowlton issue is complicated. There are multiple lawsuits by swimmers and one by Mckeever against the university. I'm no lawyer but I'd bet that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers. Just firing Knowlton may be much more expensive than any buyout. Just my guess.

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Either Knowlton knew about the abuse and did nothing, in which case he failed his duty to protect the student athletes, or he was clueless about something in his own department under his watch, in which case he's incompetent. IMHO, both are grounds for dismissal with cause.

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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StillNoStanfurdium said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CalBarn said:

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falseintellect said:

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

---

Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

---

time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

---

Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

---

How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

---

If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

---

The Knowlton issue is complicated. There are multiple lawsuits by swimmers and one by Mckeever against the university. I'm no lawyer but I'd bet that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers. Just firing Knowlton may be much more expensive than any buyout. Just my guess.

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Either Knowlton knew about the abuse and did nothing, in which case he failed his duty to protect the student athletes, or he was clueless about something in his own department under his watch, in which case he's incompetent. IMHO, both are grounds for dismissal with cause.

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If the report is at all equivocal, it's all over and Knowlton will not be fired.

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Didn't McKeever get fired for abuse? That's an admission that there was abuse in Knowlton's department. Again, either he failed his duty to protect students or he was incompetent.

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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StillNoStanfurdium said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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CalBarn said:

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falseintellect said:

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

---

Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

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time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

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Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

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How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

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If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

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The Knowlton issue is complicated. There are multiple lawsuits by swimmers and one by Mckeever against the university. I'm no lawyer but I'd bet that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers. Just firing Knowlton may be much more expensive than any buyout. Just my guess.

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Either Knowlton knew about the abuse and did nothing, in which case he failed his duty to protect the student athletes, or he was clueless about something in his own department under his watch, in which case he's incompetent. IMHO, both are grounds for dismissal with cause.

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If the report is at all equivocal, it's all over and Knowlton will not be fired.

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Didn't McKeever get fired for abuse? That's an admission that there was abuse in Knowlton's department. Again, either he failed his duty to protect students or he was incompetent.

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i'm assuming they're looking for wider issues: who else? who knew and when? signs of a cover-up?litigation by students? Title IX implications?

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

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Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

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time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

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Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

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How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

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If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

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The Knowlton issue is complicated. There are multiple lawsuits by swimmers and one by Mckeever against the university. I'm no lawyer but I'd bet that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers. Just firing Knowlton may be much more expensive than any buyout. Just my guess.

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Either Knowlton knew about the abuse and did nothing, in which case he failed his duty to protect the student athletes, or he was clueless about something in his own department under his watch, in which case he's incompetent. IMHO, both are grounds for dismissal with cause.

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If the report is at all equivocal, it's all over and Knowlton will not be fired.

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Didn't McKeever get fired for abuse? That's an admission that there was abuse in Knowlton's department. Again, either he failed his duty to protect students or he was incompetent.

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i'm assuming they're looking for wider issues: who else? who knew and when? signs of a cover-up?litigation by students? Title IX implications?

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Absolutely, I get that. But apropos of Knowlton, he was wither derelict in his duty or he was incompetent. Both are fireable offenses. Why is he still drawing a paycheck is Cal AD?

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calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Rushinbear said:

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01Bear said:

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Rushinbear said:

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He'll be back as long as he wants to be. The powers that be are quite happy with this season.

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Sadly, you may be right. Cal can't win with this loser mentality.
Seems like many of us realize we can do so much better while the powers that be just don't care and are satisfied with relentlessly disappointing mediocrity. Been watching Cal since the 1960s and I'm really not sure how much longer I wish to subject myself to this. With little variation it seems the plan each season is to beat three patsies, then struggle the rest of the way at 3-6, gain some toilet bowl invitation and embarrass ourselves against another lightweight 6-6 opponent. Because we are in some sort of bowl, admin then plays it up like we are a football power. This just isn't my idea of success. The school,
the fans, the players, the alumni all deserve better. The Big Game was great, but so much of this year was just a downer with unfulfilled expectations. Hard to have hope with this
sub-par coaching staff that continually disappoints. And an administration that thinks this is acceptable.

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time for Lyons to show what he is made of. Inaction now means he's just another one of his predecessors, despite the talk.

could we be headed for a return to the Pac 12 with second tier fill-ins? SDS, FSU, SJS. Sac St., Nev, UNLV, Hawaii, Utah St, Colo St., some combo of that...with Furd? UCLA's program looks to be in worse shape than ours. Would they want out of the B10?

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Lyons has not shown he's any different than Tien. He's all talk, no results. He'll cheer on the team on Saturdays but won't take any meaningful action that actually moves the needle.

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How quickly do you expect Lyons to move exactly? We're just now ending the first football season since he took the role and we haven't even played the bowl yet. At least give it a year before judging if he yields results.

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If he has a business mentality, he knows that a new top kick has begun his leadership before he even takes the seat. If he's anywhere near the sports fan he claims to be, he would have walked in knowing Knowlton and JW and how they think and operate. Within two weeks after he took office, Lyons would have been in a position to act. He knows that Knowlton has to go first and the thing that would have taken the most time is identifying his replacement. Would he succumb to the "hiring consultant" ploy? Not if he's at all decisive. Those consultants serve a CYA function. At best, they can insulate him from the inside/secret contacts with potential candidates. Or, is Lyons waiting for the final report on that women's swim coach. If so, he's weak - that's just another way of failing to take responsibility.

So, Lyons should be acting now, maybe as late as a day after our bowl game. He knows what he has to do. It's just a matter of will he do it.

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The Knowlton issue is complicated. There are multiple lawsuits by swimmers and one by Mckeever against the university. I'm no lawyer but I'd bet that Lyons is taking direction from UC lawyers. Just firing Knowlton may be much more expensive than any buyout. Just my guess.

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Either Knowlton knew about the abuse and did nothing, in which case he failed his duty to protect the student athletes, or he was clueless about something in his own department under his watch, in which case he's incompetent. IMHO, both are grounds for dismissal with cause.

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If the report is at all equivocal, it's all over and Knowlton will not be fired.

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Didn't McKeever get fired for abuse? That's an admission that there was abuse in Knowlton's department. Again, either he failed his duty to protect students or he was incompetent.

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i'm assuming they're looking for wider issues: who else? who knew and when? signs of a cover-up?litigation by students? Title IX implications?

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Absolutely, I get that. But apropos of Knowlton, he was wither derelict in his duty or he was incompetent. Both are fireable offenses. Why is he still drawing a paycheck is Cal AD?

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He refused to meet with swimmer's parents and when swimmer's reported abuse to him he did not investigate as required by law, much less university policy, and instead told the swimmers McKeever was just a "tough coach and someday you will be grateful for her." This after a the whole issue with the trainer. Even after reports of abuse came out in the press he did not immediately investigate and instead extended her contract.

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From your post, it sounds like JK is guilty of dereliction of duty, at the very least. That coupled with negligence and another form of incompetence. All of this amounts to termination with cause, IMHO.

Basically, I still don't understand how JK is still employed at Cal as the AD. As for the Lyons apologists, I'm curious how they're spinning his inaction apropos of terminating Knowlton.

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The only defensible delay is getting ducks in order to fire him for cause. Still, placing him on leave in the meantime would seem a nobrainer.

A poster implied that we may not be firing Knowlton because that would imply liability in the lawsuits filed by the swimmers against the university, which if true, would be heinous. Moreover, it seems more the opposite to me. Knowlton himself likely violated the law and violated the swimmers' civil rights. As you pointed out, we already fired McKeever for her abuse. By protecting him and continuing to pay him $millions the university only increases its liability toward the swimmers, morally if not legally, The whole thing stinks. The university should do right by the swimmers including firing Knowlton.

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