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The Ron Rivera Announcement - A meaningful and yet seemingly insufficient step forward

March 21, 2025
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It’s with a mixed sense of relief, excitement, hope as well as confusion and concern that we greet the news that Cal legend and NFL playing and coaching great Ron Rivera returns to Berkeley to be the GM of the football program.

Make no mistake, this has all the hallmarks of a seminal moment in the University’s athletic program, a potential life-line in a tumultuous maelstrom of conference realignment, a disempowered NCAA and student-athlete empowerment via NIL and the transfer portal.  With the appointment of Rich Lyons as Cal’s Chancellor, the University finally has a leader who not only wants athletic excellence that matches Berkeley’s academic prestige but understands its essential role in building and engaging an enduring and generous alumni and fan community around the school.  And eight long months into his tenure, he has ostensibly if not belatedly put his mark on Cal athletics with the appointment of Ron Rivera.

To put this decision in perspective, it’s important to realize that the University’s leadership has historically viewed the athletic department with what can be best be described as a mixture of frustration and not so benevolent tolerance, with the complete absence of vision or understanding of its import and potential to the school’s broader goals.   Chancellor Christ who preceded Rich Lyons, realized that athletics has been treated as a second-class citizen and elevated for the first time the athletic director to the Chancellor’s leadership team and stopped the unfair taxation and financial mining of Cal’s sports teams by the University including taking over the debt for the retrofit of Memorial Stadium.   Beyond that, she was a complete novice to College Athletics and its accelerating complexity and dynamism.   She mistakenly hired a wholly unqualified Athletic Director in Jim Knowlton and gave him the mandate of making sure the revenue sports (Football and Basketball) were “decent” while instead focusing on limiting investment into and the costs associated with running the department.  Beyond that, the goal for Knowlton would be to make sure Cal was a paragon in the eyes of both the toothless NCAA and the academic side of the University.

The net result has seen declining attendance to all major sports events, inarguably the worst seven-year performance of the Men’s Basketball team along with a Football program that hasn’t seen a winning record in conference play since 2009.  Jim Knowlton came to Cal after a short stint as the Athletic Director of the Air Force Academy.   Prior to Berkeley, he had never raised money from a donor base or managed a major conference sports program.  He came from the military where his imperative was not to lead, empower and educate his superiors whose focus and expertise lied elsewhere but rather to without question follow orders.   If there is any school in the country’s whose leadership needed to be educated and informed by their athletic leadership, it’s Cal.  

Since Knowlton has arrived, Cal’s performance in its athletic endeavors have hit an all-time low, donor interest outside of the entirely donor inspired and led Caliber funds and the Cal Legends Collective have been anemic.  What has pervaded the athletic department under Knowlton’s leadership is a culture of “No”.  Knowlton never understood or realized the importance of Football to the success and outright survival of the school’s other sports and instead knowingly and intentionally misled donors who believe they were giving to Cal Football only to disperse those funds to other sports.  The day-to-day operations of sports inside Cal are ones that require coaches to work around the administration or anguish in stifled frustration at the misaligned priorities and complete lack of imagination and creativity.  To be clear, there’s zero chance that Cal would be in the ACC right now and be anywhere close to being competitive in Football and Basketball without donors directly intervening and forcing Jim Knowlton to invest their money in the Bears football program.   And NIL, for all the disruption and discomfort it has caused, has been a literal life saver thanks to the heroic efforts of Kevin Kennedy and its donors.   

Point of fact is that the donors who created the Caliber fund and the Collective have had to fight, scratch and claw every day to overcome an Athletic Department actively standing in their way.  And coaches who have succeeded in Berkeley the past seven years have done so despite rather than as a result of the support of their leadership.

Enter Ron Rivera - Here’s a person who turned down far more money to return to the NFL and who is risking his personal reputation and brand to revive Cal Football and therefore the entire Athletic Department.  He is well aware of the track record of the program and the challenges the Athletic Department is facing and is undaunted and resolute in his belief that he can be a catalyst for positive change.  It’s hard to quantify the upside potential of his appointment and the gratefulness the Cal community must have for his willingness to take on this task.  

Yesterday’s headlines invoked an energy and anticipation that’s been missing for at least 15 years only to find that the press release and subsequent press conference worked to take much of the air of that hopeful balloon.  To not make transparently clear that Ron would have direct and overall responsibilities for all of Cal football creates confusion and sows doubt at a time where bold leadership is required.  To have Cal’s Head Football Coach continue to report to Jim Knowlton defies common sense, logic and at least optically makes it that much harder for Ron Rivera to succeed in his new role.   It’s important to understand that Football success does not start and end with the programs coaching staff.   The marketing team, the medical staff, the stadium and facilities management, the admissions department, the compliance team and so many more people impact the program every day in positive or negative ways.   It is beyond essential for all those people to be rowing in the same direction, to share the same set of priorities and to be led by a single and unified vision.

To be clear, words in press release are more often about managing optics and what we can only guess are hidden tertiary goals.   The reality may well be that Ron Rivera will be overseeing all of Cal football and have the ability to forever change the culture of “No”, to upgrade and empower the broader team tasked with making Cal football as successful on the field as the University is in its academic endeavors.  The real litmus test of Rich Lyons leadership will happen in the coming days as Ron takes on his new role.   While there’s certainly reason for cautious optimism, there’s more than enough of a track record to suggest patient skepticism.  

We’re proud that this community has been an essential part of the aforementioned donor lifelines, with more than two thirds of the caliber donors and almost 90% of the dollars contributed to the Legends Collective coming from the Bear Insider populace.  Each of you needs to come to your own conclusions about the state of Athletic Department and the potential impact of Ron Rivera’s appointment.   For now, we will be refraining from donating to the program and further will not encourage any of you to do so.  Instead, regardless of your feelings, we strongly suggest you reach out to Chancellor Lyons and share how you feel about the state of Cal Athletics, Jim Knowlton as your Athletic Director and how you believe he can best support Ron Rivera as the Cal Football General Manager.  

The Chancellor can be reached at Lyons@berkeley.edu

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The Ron Rivera Announcement - A meaningful and yet seemingly insufficient step forward

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BearlyCareAnymore
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GivemTheAxe said:

Shocky1 said:

give the axe, u r missing the most important point, the donor community is walking away from cal football (which will then hasten the athletic department's road to bankruptcy) unless rivera is granted oversight over the entire football program including wilcox, the gameday experience, etc

kevin kennedy is the KEY proxy in these discussions based upon my conversations with donors in the last 24 hours, if he walks away then the bears whale donor lance cooper & the vast majority of the esp donors including shocky r done with cal football forevah & rivera will return to the nfl

did u read greg richardson's editorial at this site??...loyal bears like him are ******* done with the status quo & knowlton

axey, nobody gives 2 ***** about lyon's words re: winning, rich is being judged right now based upon his actions (or lack of action)

this is all gonna play out in the very near future


We agree about at least one thing. This is going to play out in the near future. If Cal football doesn't show significant improvement (no more 6-6 seasons) and if Cal Big Donors don't start stepping up this season, heads will roll. [and I don't mean the Chancellor's head]
JW and Knowlton are on the hot seat.



Oh, please. How many times have we heard "If Cal football doesn't show significant improvement, then..." Wilcox has had 8 seasons. Knowlton has had 7. Under Knowlton, the annual debt of the athletic department has gone from $24M to $67M. And it is assuredly going to be higher this year. What more needs to be known?
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

GivemTheAxe said:

Shocky1 said:

give the axe, u r missing the most important point, the donor community is walking away from cal football (which will then hasten the athletic department's road to bankruptcy) unless rivera is granted oversight over the entire football program including wilcox, the gameday experience, etc

kevin kennedy is the KEY proxy in these discussions based upon my conversations with donors in the last 24 hours, if he walks away then the bears whale donor lance cooper & the vast majority of the esp donors including shocky r done with cal football forevah & rivera will return to the nfl

did u read greg richardson's editorial at this site??...loyal bears like him are ******* done with the status quo & knowlton

axey, nobody gives 2 ***** about lyon's words re: winning, rich is being judged right now based upon his actions (or lack of action)

this is all gonna play out in the very near future


We agree about at least one thing. This is going to play out in the near future. If Cal football doesn't show significant improvement (no more 6-6 seasons) and if Cal Big Donors don't start stepping up this season, heads will roll. [and I don't mean the Chancellor's head]
JW and Knowlton are on the hot seat.



Oh, please. How many times have we heard "If Cal football doesn't show significant improvement, then..." Wilcox has had 8 seasons. Knowlton has had 7. Under Knowlton, the annual debt of the athletic department has gone from $24M to $67M. And it is assuredly going to be higher this year. What more needs to be known?

Debt has gone up while performance across all sports has gone down. We can't be rid of this guy fast enough.
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Quick question:

Does anyone here think if Rivera went to Lyons and said that Wilcox isn't the guy, we need to fire him and hire one of these candidates that Knowlton would have any say in the matter at all?
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MrGPAC said:

Quick question:

Does anyone here think if Rivera went to Lyons and said that Wilcox isn't the guy, we need to fire him and hire one of these candidates that Knowlton would have any say in the matter at all?


No.
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MrGPAC said:

Quick question:

Does anyone here think if Rivera went to Lyons and said that Wilcox isn't the guy, we need to fire him and hire one of these candidates that Knowlton would have any say in the matter at all?


I'll give you 3 answers:

1: Yes. He is the athletic director. We've been given no indication that Rivera has that responsibility. Frankly, we've been given no indication that Rivera is more than a fundraiser/marketing role with some ability to throw in some advice. It was made clear Wilcox does not report to him. If this is the answer, it's terrible.

2. No. Knowlton has been chopped off at the knees. They just don't want to say it publicly. If this is the answer we effectively don't have an athletic director so why is Knowlton still here. Why aren't we searching for an arhletic director. (And no it isn't because of some super secret legal strategy)

3. Maybe yes, maybe no, and either way the Chancellor says "sorry boys. We ain't paying the buyout. If this is the answer, it is Cal being Cal. Same old.

IMO, those arguing #2 is more likely than #1, it is based on hope. Ive never seen any indication Cal is unhappy with Knowlton. The only indication of what they think of him is a big fat extension.

In any case, I'd say it is 50/50 between #1 and #2. Whichever way that is answered I'll go 90/10 that #3 is the ultimate answer.




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BearlyCareAnymore said:

GivemTheAxe said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

This is about as outwardly harsh as I've ever seen a BI article be towards the Cal administration. Seems warranted, though!
Typi-CAL.
We finally get one BIG thing that we have long wanted and still we ask "Yeah but what about...."
My perspective is different. What I see as "typi-CAL" is that the best available proxies for fan/alum/donor sentiment about the athletic department (Sebastabear and the BI owners) seemed to tell the administration in no uncertain terms that in order to keep them happy and willing to keep stumping for donations, they needed to see that the football program would be taken away from Knowlton and put fully under Rivera's leadership. And then the administration . . . did not do that. They went only halfway there, at best.

That's typi-CAL: being given a very clear course of action that will help bring more money and interest to the program and then trying to slow-walk it. Why not just do it now? Someone else's feelings will be hurt? It's going to happen eventually anyway!

(If you'd like to further read my newsletter, I have similar thoughts about the Democratic Party.)
I disagree that Chancellor should have come in guns blazing and immediately fired Knowlton. That appears to be the approach taken by Elon Musk come in chopping heads before he figures out what they do and how well or poorly they do it. "Oh Oh we fired the people who take care of our nuclear warheads."

i have done legal work for respected "turn around experts" who save struggling businesses You don't start firing people until you have had a chance to assess them and their work. Their strengths and weaknesses. This doesn't take all that long (because turn around experts must act quickly before the ship they are turning around sinks or crashes ) I expect heads to roll and people to be let go or reassigned (if they have some value) or kept on (if they are doing well).

We will know soon enough if Chancellor Lyons was BS-ing us or if he really meant what he said. I prefer to take him at his word. He knows how the business world works. If he was BS-ing us, then shame on him. We are no worse off than we were with his predecessors. -- and we don't have Troy Taylor as our HC.

He has been chancellor for almost 9 months. That is "guns blazing"?. Do your turn around experts take 9 months to assess? You don't think he could assess Knowlton in 9 months? You say it doesn't take long. How long do you think it should take?

I've worked through 5 mergers/acquisitions in my time which I realize is somewhat different. The 3 that were successful had their organizational/personnel decisions done within 2 months. The 2 that weren't took 6-12 months. Lyons knows what Knowlton's record is and he has observed him through a full football season and basketball season. This is way too long to be completing this assessment unless the assessment is complete and status quo is reigning.


You forget. Lyons was hired to take over the ENTIRE Cal campus.
He was NOT hired to focus entirely on Cal Football.
This is no way comparable to a merger acquisition there are way more moving parts, way more players (each with their competing interests) and way more money involved.

I have heard him speak several times in the past few months. He has been developing plans for the ENTIRE Cal Campus. He said he plans to be here for TEN years.

[Lyons job has been made even harder thanks to the Chaos created by the current administration in Washington DC. ]
I don't see that. First of all, most of the merger/acquisitions I was referring to were of organizations that were several multiple times bigger than UC Berkeley. Lyons walked into one organization that was running itself. In the case of a merger you can't just go to your office and ponder because everything needs to be combined. Every department has an executive running it that is now competing with the executive running the same department for the other organization. You need to make immediate personnel decisions from top to bottom. You need to decide what offices to close. You need to evaluate every contract with every supplier to determine which suppliers to keep and where you have two contracts with a supplier, you have to decide which you want to use, or if you just want to renegotiate the whole thing, and tell the supplier. You do that one thing like a thousand times. There is no way it is less complicated to walk into an organization that was running the day before you got there and is now running the day after you got there. If he wanted to change things he needed to start changing things day one. Maybe that wasn't athletics day one, but if athletics is day 270, that shows you what priority that was (not to mention it isn't like there have been a ton of awesome changes overall).

But you didn't answer the question. If 9 months is too quick, when do you think that change should happen? Because it is very easy to just say he couldn't possibly have done it in this amount of time at 9 months, 12 months, 18 months, 5000 years if you never put a stake in the ground and say how long it should take to do a simple thing like evaluate the performance of an athletic director. At what point are we allowed to say this is too long. So I'm asking you to pick a length of time. And the reason isn't to challenge you necessarily. It is because this is what we always get when a new person comes in. We got it with Christ. "I've heard them talk. They are developing plans. Good things are going to happen. The wheels are in motion (deliberate Seinfeld reference). Wait and see." And it never happens.

When Sebasta, the most positive, optimistic, constructive guy around here, is ready to throw down ultimatums, that tells you the confidence level.

And I'm going to be blunt. If your length of time is beyond July (and that is charitable) on firing Knowlton, I can't remotely give that credence. Lyons will have been here a year. He will have seen Knowlton through a whole season. Not to mention it isn't like he knows nothing of what Knowlton has done previously. Most importantly, that means we basically won't have a new AD for the next school year. We are pretty much reaching now or never territory.
i understand the need for urgency. But it is clear that Lyons is going to rely on Rivera to decide what to do with Knowlton and Wilcox.
From the video it appears that Lyons did not start talking to Rivera until very late last year. Rivera was not approved for the position by the Regents until just a few days ago. Lyons would be a fool to fire Knowlton or Wilcox without Rivera's OK. When he fires either or both of them Lyons must have a viable plan for succession. Rivera can give him that.

i don't see how JW can be fired until we see some results. That would be mid-way through the season (October?) at the earliest or by early November at the latest.

It should be possible to decide on Knowlton sooner and independent of the decision on Wilcox. I would guess that if the Big Donors have already made up their minds on Knowlton (as is reported above) they would be able to make their opinions known to Rivera loudly and clearly. The decision could be made to dump Knowlton before the beginning of the football season (at the latest): Five Months.
If the Big Donors are split on Knowlton this could present a problem since clearly Lyons is relying on these Big Donors to step up. In that case the decision could take take longer.

[Personally i hope you are correct and all the Big Donors already have their torches and pitchforks out for Knowlton. i would like to start the search for a new AD as soon as possible. Stanford appears to have had trouble locking down an AD ]

By the way i would recommend cutting Lyons some slack. He is fighting to save the University of California at Berkeley against some historic headwinds blowing out of Washington DC. Headwinds like we have never seen before in Cal's entire 157 year history. If Lyons fails in that mission, Cal football is gone, Gone. GONE!!!!!
[Or at best it will be a mere shell of its former self.]
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GivemTheAxe said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

GivemTheAxe said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

GivemTheAxe said:

sycasey said:

This is about as outwardly harsh as I've ever seen a BI article be towards the Cal administration. Seems warranted, though!
Typi-CAL.
We finally get one BIG thing that we have long wanted and still we ask "Yeah but what about...."
My perspective is different. What I see as "typi-CAL" is that the best available proxies for fan/alum/donor sentiment about the athletic department (Sebastabear and the BI owners) seemed to tell the administration in no uncertain terms that in order to keep them happy and willing to keep stumping for donations, they needed to see that the football program would be taken away from Knowlton and put fully under Rivera's leadership. And then the administration . . . did not do that. They went only halfway there, at best.

That's typi-CAL: being given a very clear course of action that will help bring more money and interest to the program and then trying to slow-walk it. Why not just do it now? Someone else's feelings will be hurt? It's going to happen eventually anyway!

(If you'd like to further read my newsletter, I have similar thoughts about the Democratic Party.)
I disagree that Chancellor should have come in guns blazing and immediately fired Knowlton. That appears to be the approach taken by Elon Musk come in chopping heads before he figures out what they do and how well or poorly they do it. "Oh Oh we fired the people who take care of our nuclear warheads."

i have done legal work for respected "turn around experts" who save struggling businesses You don't start firing people until you have had a chance to assess them and their work. Their strengths and weaknesses. This doesn't take all that long (because turn around experts must act quickly before the ship they are turning around sinks or crashes ) I expect heads to roll and people to be let go or reassigned (if they have some value) or kept on (if they are doing well).

We will know soon enough if Chancellor Lyons was BS-ing us or if he really meant what he said. I prefer to take him at his word. He knows how the business world works. If he was BS-ing us, then shame on him. We are no worse off than we were with his predecessors. -- and we don't have Troy Taylor as our HC.

He has been chancellor for almost 9 months. That is "guns blazing"?. Do your turn around experts take 9 months to assess? You don't think he could assess Knowlton in 9 months? You say it doesn't take long. How long do you think it should take?

I've worked through 5 mergers/acquisitions in my time which I realize is somewhat different. The 3 that were successful had their organizational/personnel decisions done within 2 months. The 2 that weren't took 6-12 months. Lyons knows what Knowlton's record is and he has observed him through a full football season and basketball season. This is way too long to be completing this assessment unless the assessment is complete and status quo is reigning.


You forget. Lyons was hired to take over the ENTIRE Cal campus.
He was NOT hired to focus entirely on Cal Football.
This is no way comparable to a merger acquisition there are way more moving parts, way more players (each with their competing interests) and way more money involved.

I have heard him speak several times in the past few months. He has been developing plans for the ENTIRE Cal Campus. He said he plans to be here for TEN years.

[Lyons job has been made even harder thanks to the Chaos created by the current administration in Washington DC. ]
I don't see that. First of all, most of the merger/acquisitions I was referring to were of organizations that were several multiple times bigger than UC Berkeley. Lyons walked into one organization that was running itself. In the case of a merger you can't just go to your office and ponder because everything needs to be combined. Every department has an executive running it that is now competing with the executive running the same department for the other organization. You need to make immediate personnel decisions from top to bottom. You need to decide what offices to close. You need to evaluate every contract with every supplier to determine which suppliers to keep and where you have two contracts with a supplier, you have to decide which you want to use, or if you just want to renegotiate the whole thing, and tell the supplier. You do that one thing like a thousand times. There is no way it is less complicated to walk into an organization that was running the day before you got there and is now running the day after you got there. If he wanted to change things he needed to start changing things day one. Maybe that wasn't athletics day one, but if athletics is day 270, that shows you what priority that was (not to mention it isn't like there have been a ton of awesome changes overall).

But you didn't answer the question. If 9 months is too quick, when do you think that change should happen? Because it is very easy to just say he couldn't possibly have done it in this amount of time at 9 months, 12 months, 18 months, 5000 years if you never put a stake in the ground and say how long it should take to do a simple thing like evaluate the performance of an athletic director. At what point are we allowed to say this is too long. So I'm asking you to pick a length of time. And the reason isn't to challenge you necessarily. It is because this is what we always get when a new person comes in. We got it with Christ. "I've heard them talk. They are developing plans. Good things are going to happen. The wheels are in motion (deliberate Seinfeld reference). Wait and see." And it never happens.

When Sebasta, the most positive, optimistic, constructive guy around here, is ready to throw down ultimatums, that tells you the confidence level.

And I'm going to be blunt. If your length of time is beyond July (and that is charitable) on firing Knowlton, I can't remotely give that credence. Lyons will have been here a year. He will have seen Knowlton through a whole season. Not to mention it isn't like he knows nothing of what Knowlton has done previously. Most importantly, that means we basically won't have a new AD for the next school year. We are pretty much reaching now or never territory.
i understand the need for urgency. But it is clear that Lyons is going to rely on Rivera to decide what to do with Knowlton and Wilcox.
From the video it appears that Lyons did not start talking to Rivera until very late last year. Rivera was not approved for the position by the Regents until just a few days ago. Lyons would be a fool to fire Knowlton or Wilcox without Rivera's OK. When he fires either or both of them Lyons must have a viable plan for succession. Rivera can give him that.

i don't see how JW can be fired until we see some results. That would be mid-way through the season (October?) at the earliest or by early November at the latest.

It should be possible to decide on Knowlton sooner and independent of the decision on Wilcox. I would guess that if the Big Donors have already made up their minds on Knowlton (as is reported above) they would be able to make their opinions known to Rivera loudly and clearly. The decision could be made to dump Knowlton before the beginning of the football season (at the latest): Five Months.
If the Big Donors are split on Knowlton this could present a problem since clearly Lyons is relying on these Big Donors to step up. In that case the decision could take take longer.

[Personally i hope you are correct and all the Big Donors already have their torches and pitchforks out for Knowlton. i would like to start the search for a new AD as soon as possible. Stanford appears to have had trouble locking down an AD ]
First of all, thank you for answering the question.

So what you are saying is that Lyons doesn't know what the eff he is doing and he needs to take 8.5 months to hire someone who can tell him what the eff he is doing. This despite the fact that every other Cal chancellor in history makes AD decisions without hiring someone else to do that for them.

I would say the Rivera gambit worked on you. Instead of just assuming the chancellor should make the decision within X time, you are delaying that because we hired a guy that Knowlton doesn't report to. I guarantee you that Ron Rivera knows right now whether he thinks Wilcox or Knowlton or both should be fired. And if he doesn't know that already, he is the wrong guy for this job.


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i don't see how JW can be fired until we see some results. That would be mid-way through the season (October?) at the earliest or by early November at the latest.
I'm trying to understand why you think that Lyons and/or Rivera have no ability to analyze what Knowlton has done the past 7 years. Why do we need all new results now just because new guys got hired? Lyons can't talk to alums? He can't talk to coaches? He can't talk to players? Has he not watched Cal sports at all in the past 30 years he has been on campus? What is it that you think Lyons needs to see that he shouldn't already have seen?

Frankly, I think I have been kind to Lyons. Knowlton is an obviously incompetent idiot and Lyons has had a front seat for Knowlton's whole tenure. Of course he runs the whole campus and had more pressing things to deal with. Except it takes 2 seconds to say "You're fired". It is not a close question. Should have happened first month. But, hey, take a full school year if you must. But no. Don't take a full school year and say "I dunno. I'll NOW hire another guy take take several more months to advise me on whether I should do something." If that is even what he is doing because from all public appearance Rivera has been given no authority to do anything but placate alums.

I said that I'd experienced multiple mergers and the successful ones always moved faster. Well, this is what the bad ones look like. Total paralysis in decision making. You need to make these decisions fast so that staff, stakeholders, everyone knows what the new path is and starts marching toward it. What you are describing is Rivera being hired as a one man committee to study the problem and report back later.
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GivemTheAxe said:

Shocky1 said:

give the axe, u r missing the most important point, the donor community is walking away from cal football (which will then hasten the athletic department's road to bankruptcy) unless rivera is granted oversight over the entire football program including wilcox, the gameday experience, etc

kevin kennedy is the KEY proxy in these discussions based upon my conversations with donors in the last 24 hours, if he walks away then the bears whale donor lance cooper & the vast majority of the esp donors including shocky r done with cal football forevah & rivera will return to the nfl

did u read greg richardson's editorial at this site??...loyal bears like him are ******* done with the status quo & knowlton

axey, nobody gives 2 ***** about lyon's words re: winning, rich is being judged right now based upon his actions (or lack of action)

this is all gonna play out in the very near future


We agree about at least one thing. This is going to play out in the near future. If Cal football doesn't show significant improvement (no more 6-6 seasons) and if Cal Big Donors don't start stepping up this season, heads will roll. [and I don't mean the Chancellor's head]
JW and Knowlton are on the hot seat.





Normally I would agree "a year from now" is the "near future," but given that we don't have years to turn the program around….
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BearlyCareAnymore said:


What you are describing is Rivera being hired as a one man committee to study the problem and report back later.
That's exactly the way Cal always does things.
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GivemTheAxe said:

i understand the need for urgency. But it is clear that Lyons is going to rely on Rivera to decide what to do with Knowlton and Wilcox.
How exactly has that been made clear? To me, making Rivera the "GM of Cal Football" and then having the head football coach report up to someone else makes it clear as mud. That's the problem. It isn't clear. If Lyons or Rivera said outright that Rivera gets to make the decisions on who is hired/fired then that would be different. They very much did not.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

What you are describing is Rivera being hired as a one man committee to study the problem and report back later.
I refer back to my comment about the Democratic Party.
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calumnus said:

GivemTheAxe said:

Shocky1 said:

give the axe, u r missing the most important point, the donor community is walking away from cal football (which will then hasten the athletic department's road to bankruptcy) unless rivera is granted oversight over the entire football program including wilcox, the gameday experience, etc

kevin kennedy is the KEY proxy in these discussions based upon my conversations with donors in the last 24 hours, if he walks away then the bears whale donor lance cooper & the vast majority of the esp donors including shocky r done with cal football forevah & rivera will return to the nfl

did u read greg richardson's editorial at this site??...loyal bears like him are ******* done with the status quo & knowlton

axey, nobody gives 2 ***** about lyon's words re: winning, rich is being judged right now based upon his actions (or lack of action)

this is all gonna play out in the very near future


We agree about at least one thing. This is going to play out in the near future. If Cal football doesn't show significant improvement (no more 6-6 seasons) and if Cal Big Donors don't start stepping up this season, heads will roll. [and I don't mean the Chancellor's head]
JW and Knowlton are on the hot seat.





Normally I would agree "a year from now" is the "near future," but given that we don't have years to turn the program around….
You missed my most recent reply to BearlyCareAnymore.

BearlyCare wanted me to give him a date between 8 months and 5,000 years.
(I took 5,000 years to be a bit facetious.)

I said that getting rid of Knowlton did not have to wait one year. It had to wait only until it was clear that the the Big Donors did not want Knowlton around. I said that would take 'at the latest' 5 months. I expected it would be done sooner.

I expected the decision on JW could not be made until we saw how he did the 2025 season: either October at the earliest (if the team cratered) or November at the latest (if the team won a number of games early in the season but petered out toward the end of the season.).

if you are asking whether JW should have been fired immediately when Lyons took over as Chancellor,
i refer you to Lyons' prior comments that he has now put football into a position that it can win and they will be expected to win . Lyons could NOT have made that comment last year. With our starting QB being Mendoza who still had a lot to prove and with no credible back up and with a OL that left a lot to be desired. JW could say, "I did the best i could with what i was provided by the prior Cal Administration."
[Note: Over the years, many on this board have constantly complained that the Cal Administration has never provided much realistic support for the Cal football program.]
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sycasey said:

GivemTheAxe said:

i understand the need for urgency. But it is clear that Lyons is going to rely on Rivera to decide what to do with Knowlton and Wilcox.
How exactly has that been made clear? To me, making Rivera the "GM of Cal Football" and then having the head football coach report up to someone else makes it clear as mud. That's the problem. It isn't clear. If Lyons or Rivera said outright that Rivera gets to make the decisions on who is hired/fired then that would be different. They very much did not.


Not only that but in the video I didn't hear about any role that he would play outside of fundraising. And why was Knowlton even in the video? Didn't add anything.
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Econ141 said:

sycasey said:

GivemTheAxe said:

i understand the need for urgency. But it is clear that Lyons is going to rely on Rivera to decide what to do with Knowlton and Wilcox.
How exactly has that been made clear? To me, making Rivera the "GM of Cal Football" and then having the head football coach report up to someone else makes it clear as mud. That's the problem. It isn't clear. If Lyons or Rivera said outright that Rivera gets to make the decisions on who is hired/fired then that would be different. They very much did not.


Not only that but in the video I didn't hear about any role that he would play outside of fundraising. And why was Knowlton even in the video? Didn't add anything.
For a second and third time, i went back and reviewed the video of March 20 showing Lyons, Knowlton and Rivera just to make sure i did not overlook or miss something.
In this video Ron Rivera was unmistakably identified as the General Manager.

Yes Rivera is to have important fund raising responsibilities.

But I also heard that Rivera is to have the position of General Manager for the overall football operations and is to report to the Chancellor as if Lyons were the owner of the team..
Ron is to review all aspects of football.
He is to review the selection and growth and retention of players,
He is to view all the practices and all the games.
He is to provide all of his opinions on what he has seen to both JW and Knowlton and to the position coaches and to the players.
He is to provide them with the benefit of all of his years of experience.

i noticed that Rivera steered clear of using too often the word "making recommendations". He really should not take over the responsibilities of game management from the coach and stays away from micro-managing Knowlton's performance. So Ron dances around using the words like "providing his opinions" and providing the "benefit of his knowledge".

i noticed that Ron briefly mentioned giving hiring and firing advice. But i could not tell if he meant he had hiring and firing power or if he was referring to powers that most General Managers have. In any event Ron carefully did not follow up on this topic - perhaps wisely.

But overall i heard nothing that would limit Ron's role in connection with Cal Football. instead i heard a lot that would lead me to believe the opposite.

As for the issue whether JW reports to Knowlton or to Rivera does not appear to be relevant. I think it is clear that Ron will be calling the shots.
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Spot on - Cal get hammered by opposing coaches over recruiting by stating that Cal is one of just 5 D1 universities that don't have a dedicated practice facility. To think it's a "red herring"/minimal importance to players on the team/those considering Cal hoops, is simply naive and not aware of this key disadvantage. Our two key players have been kicked off Gold's gym multiple times this past season when they were wanting to get extra hoop time/shooting practice in. The lack of a dedicated basketball gym on campus is a huge negative to recruiting the top players. NIL first in importance, but, development, competing/post season team, housing and ability to practice at any time day or night is extremely important.

^ the above post is by 4th gen bear on the basketball board, randy is the most wired in cal basketball fan

if u think that pathological liar ****tard knowlton is just ruining the cal football program, think again

rich, if u think the status quo is gonna work, ur misreading the room at the current #1 ranked public university in the world


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sycasey said:

GivemTheAxe said:


If Lyons or Rivera said outright that Rivera gets to make the decisions on who is hired/fired then that would be different. They very much did not.
I'm realistic about that. AFAIK, no university chancellor or president has publicly announced, "I have delegated the decision on whether to fire the football coach to the football general manager. It is now his decision, not mine." And I would be surprised if any university CEO ever says anything like that.
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while lyons sleeps on pride rock the cal men's basketball program roster is literally disassembling again in real time

NOTHING is gonna change with respects to cal basketball until rich fires the ******** con artist & hires a men's & women's basketball general manager autonomous of the inept athletic department that can relentlessly fundraise nil dollars & funding for a dedicated basketball practice facility

there's gonna be 1,000+ fans at bears games next season if rich decides doing NOTHING is the right move

honestly the chancellor including the unlikeable athletic director in the rivera zoom call wuz arguably the most awkward & bizarro press conference in the history of berkeley
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BearSD said:

sycasey said:

GivemTheAxe said:


If Lyons or Rivera said outright that Rivera gets to make the decisions on who is hired/fired then that would be different. They very much did not.
I'm realistic about that. AFAIK, no university chancellor or president has publicly announced, "I have delegated the decision on whether to fire the football coach to the football general manager. It is now his decision, not mine." And I would be surprised if any university CEO ever says anything like that.


Athletics Directors generally hire and fire Head Football coaches and the position of Football General Manager is brand new, so there are multiple reasons why university CEOs have never said something like that.

I think it is entirely reasonable when announcing a new position to explain what the person's responsibilities and position in the hierarchy will be. Rivera is essentially a consultant, nominally reporting to Knowlton. He will observe Wilcox's program and make suggestions to Justin who will be under no obligation to follow them. He will make suggestions to Knowlton, who will be under no obligation to follow them. Both Knowlton and Wilcox have multi year guaranteed contracts. That is not a "General Manager." Rivera will be "managing" nothing. He is just a very knowledgeable alum who will be doing a one-year evaluation and will be making suggestions. He cannot even coach the players or recruit.

Wilcox has lost roughly twice as many conference games as he has won. He will almost certainly become the Cal record holder for career losses this season. Anyone who follows Cal football does not need another year of evaluation to make a decision about Justin Wilcox.

Possibly, this leads to Rivera convincing Knowlton he should be the Head Coach in 2026. However, that just delays for a year what could be now, and lessens the fanfare of Rivera going straight from the NFL to Cal. It also potentially creates a year of disfunction. Will Wilcox welcome Rivera looking over his shoulder doing an evaluation? It is notable that he was not part of the Zoom call.
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there are apparently outta touch insiders who are "disgusted" with the overwhelming # of true fans who are basically done with cal football if lyons doesn't either fire knowlton and/or have wilcox report to rivera

these kinda uninformed wobbly fans think everybody should waste their money & fall weekends following a program that is NOT committed to winning big...guess wut?...people r done with that ****...if wobbly fans are ok with cal playing coastal rivalry games with cal poly in front of 3500 fans at memorial stadium that's their perogative but it's ethnocentrism to not understand that not everybody shares ur values

if lyons thinks the most passionate fans that truly bleed blue & gold are bluffing, he is 100% mistaken

cal football (and therefore cal athletics) is right now at an existential standoff

kudos to greg richardson to express (finally) his true feelings after watching his beloved basketball program decimated by wyking & fox while knowlton lies to madsen re: the basketball practice facility which has zero funding (but jimmy & jenny wanna build a women's sand volleyball facility)

let's be very clear about this, KEVIN KENNEDY is the proxy of these critical discussions with the chancellor...if kevin is done, shocky (and the monster class) is done too & will realistically never set foot at my alma mater again...and yeah shocky has talked to 25+ donors in the last 48 hours that feel strongly that way too

dumb azz wobbly fans don't fully comprehend that we all have CHOICES in life & doing things that are not FUN is not a healthy way to live one's life...they also lack the rivera connections to understand that ron is not gonna stay in berkeley as a glorified fundraiser particularly if the donors are done with a knowlton run athletic department

this is all gonna be resolved one way or the other sooner than later

just waiting for mr kennedy to give us the word from the french laundary
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Shocky1 said:

there are apparently outta touch insiders who are "disgusted" with the overwhelming # of true fans who are basically done with cal football if lyons doesn't either fire knowlton and/or have wilcox report to rivera

these kinda uninformed wobbly fans think everybody should waste their money & fall weekends following a program that is NOT committed to winning big...guess wut?...people r done with that ****...if wobbly fans are ok with cal playing coastal rivalry games with cal poly in front of 3500 fans at memorial stadium that's their perogative but it's ethnocentrism to not understand that not everybody shares ur values

if lyons thinks the most passionate fans that truly bleed blue & gold are bluffing, he is 100% mistaken

cal football (and therefore cal athletics) is right now at an existential standoff

kudos to greg richardson to express (finally) his true feelings after watching his beloved basketball program decimated by wyking & fox while knowlton lies to madsen re: the basketball practice facility which has zero funding (but jimmy & jenny wanna build a women's sand volleyball facility)

let's be very clear about this, KEVIN KENNEDY is the proxy of these critical discussions with the chancellor...if kevin is done, shocky (and the monster class) is done too & will realistically never set foot at my alma mater again...and yeah shocky has talked to 25+ donors in the last 48 hours that feel strongly that way too

dumb azz wobbly fans don't fully comprehend that we all have CHOICES in life & doing things that are not FUN is not a healthy way to live one's life...they also lack the rivera connections to understand that ron is not gonna stay in berkeley as a glorified fundraiser particularly if the donors are done with a knowlton run athletic department

this is all gonna be resolved one way or the other sooner than later

just waiting for mr kennedy to give us the word from the french laundary


When some fans hear a simplified version of what happened, they might not like the sound of it:
1. Cal hires Ron Rivera as Football GM!
2. Bear Insider advises supporters to withhold donations

That's not really what happened; there's a lot more to it, but some fans might have taken it that way.

Rivera was hired, but the way it is structured as of right now is problematic. BI is trying to use its leverage to get it straightened out, which is a good thing.

I am curious to know why the Chancellor did it the way he did it. My guess is, for some reason, he is trying to ease Knowlton out. Could be his contract (something like 5 years left!), or it could have something to do with l'Affaire McKeever (maybe listening too much to lawyers). Rest assured, though, Lyons is not as dumb as I look.

In the meantime, when a football issue comes across the Chancellor's plate, he's going to listen to Rivera before he listens to Knowlton, don't you think? Ron Rivera already has more de facto power over the future of Cal Football than either Knowlton or Wilcox. As he should.
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big c, if u think any knowtlon involvement will result in bears victories in football & basketball (or really any sport to be honest with you), then ur mistaken regardless of who the chancellor listens too

ur basketball roster is falling apart in real time with no promised basketball practice facility & memorial stadium's gameday football experience is deteriorating with the knowlton ****show

and there won't be FREE tixs for all students to football & basketball games as long as jimmy, jenny & markeisha are worthless bureaucrats which means no future pipeline to Builders of Berkeley as the financial tsunami is at the doorsteps in berkeley...and no, ron has zero de facto power right now to make changes to any of these issues

big c, people r ******* done, got it?

paging mr kennedy while the lyon sleeps on pride rock

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Shocky1 said:

there are apparently outta touch insiders who are "disgusted" with the overwhelming # of true fans who are basically done with cal football if lyons doesn't either fire knowlton and/or have wilcox report to rivera

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just waiting for mr kennedy to give us the word from the french laundary

This is second or third or fourth-hand info, but let's assume it's true. If/when I abandon Cal football, I certainly won't give a rat's ass if some "insider" (which I translate as "UC employee") is disgusted at my choice. With the exception of scholarship players, it's safe to say that no student in the last 75 years has come to Cal because the football team was their #1 priority. Based on the performance of the last what, 15 years (?) and the choices made by the Cal Administration, they've chosen to invest just enough money and mindshare to keep the football program barely sputtering. In other words, they're just barely doing their job - like right at the 11th percentile of the bell-curve, yet their disgust should actually matter to anybody?

Don't think of it as fans abandoning the program, think of it as fans entering their own portal.
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hearst, the myopia of those expressing their opinions re: this situation is remarkable

shocky gotta nba franchise as a client, the role of the general manager encompasses 1000+ key issues way beyond hiring/firing the head coach, that point is lost on most fans who don't have any real world experience with professional sports organization

not allowing ron rivera the ability to freely manage 100% of all cal football issues (marketing, tix sales, gameday experience, the s&c program, recruiting, etc.) is a FATAL gameplan & basically the vast majority of donors are not gonna fund that kind of bull**** thinking anymore
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Big C said:

Shocky1 said:

there are apparently outta touch insiders who are "disgusted" with the overwhelming # of true fans who are basically done with cal football if lyons doesn't either fire knowlton and/or have wilcox report to rivera

these kinda uninformed wobbly fans think everybody should waste their money & fall weekends following a program that is NOT committed to winning big...guess wut?...people r done with that ****...if wobbly fans are ok with cal playing coastal rivalry games with cal poly in front of 3500 fans at memorial stadium that's their perogative but it's ethnocentrism to not understand that not everybody shares ur values

if lyons thinks the most passionate fans that truly bleed blue & gold are bluffing, he is 100% mistaken

cal football (and therefore cal athletics) is right now at an existential standoff

kudos to greg richardson to express (finally) his true feelings after watching his beloved basketball program decimated by wyking & fox while knowlton lies to madsen re: the basketball practice facility which has zero funding (but jimmy & jenny wanna build a women's sand volleyball facility)

let's be very clear about this, KEVIN KENNEDY is the proxy of these critical discussions with the chancellor...if kevin is done, shocky (and the monster class) is done too & will realistically never set foot at my alma mater again...and yeah shocky has talked to 25+ donors in the last 48 hours that feel strongly that way too

dumb azz wobbly fans don't fully comprehend that we all have CHOICES in life & doing things that are not FUN is not a healthy way to live one's life...they also lack the rivera connections to understand that ron is not gonna stay in berkeley as a glorified fundraiser particularly if the donors are done with a knowlton run athletic department

this is all gonna be resolved one way or the other sooner than later

just waiting for mr kennedy to give us the word from the french laundary


When some fans hear a simplified version of what happened, they might not like the sound of it:
1. Cal hires Ron Rivera as Football GM!
2. Bear Insider advises supporters to withhold donations

That's not really what happened; there's a lot more to it, but some fans might have taken it that way.

Rivera was hired, but the way it is structured as of right now is problematic. BI is trying to use its leverage to get it straightened out, which is a good thing.

I am curious to know why the Chancellor did it the way he did it. My guess is, for some reason, he is trying to ease Knowlton out. Could be his contract (something like 5 years left!), or it could have something to do with l'Affaire McKeever (maybe listening too much to lawyers). Rest assured, though, Lyons is not as dumb as I look.

In the meantime, when a football issue comes across the Chancellor's plate, he's going to listen to Rivera before he listens to Knowlton, don't you think? Ron Rivera already has more de facto power over the future of Cal Football than either Knowlton or Wilcox. As he should.
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There is a lot of static on this board as to what is the actual structure of things to come.
There is a lot guessing going on and a lot of suspicion as to what is really going on and what is intended by Lyons, Rivera, Knowlton.

I (perhaps foolishly) am taking Lyons at his word. I see very little confusion.
1. Rivera as the General Manager reports to Lyons (NOT to Knowlton) as if he were the owner of the team
2. He oversees all aspects of the team: (a) selection, development and retention of players. (b) all practices (c) game performance (c) he provides advice to the AD, JW, the position coaches and the players.
3. Rivera has no responsibilities beyond Cal Football. So Rivera does not replace Knowlton in all aspects. i totally agree with your comment "Ron Rivera already has more de facto power over the future of Cal Football than either Knowlton or Wilcox. As he should."

Wilcox was not on the video because there was no reason he should have been. He has the least power of all players . Knowlton was present because he still has some responsibilities - for other Cal sports.

i understand the suspicion of some of the posters because of a long and tawdry history of bait and switch played by other Chancellors. I believe (hope) that Lyons will not continue that tawdry history. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think (hope) that for once we have a Chancellor who gets it.
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Shocky1 said:

big c, if u think any knowtlon involvement will result in bears victories in football & basketball (or really any sport to be honest with you), then ur mistaken regardless of who the chancellor listens too

ur basketball roster is falling apart in real time with no promised basketball practice facility & memorial stadium's gameday football experience is deteriorating with the knowlton ****show

and there won't be FREE tixs for all students to football & basketball games as long as jimmy, jenny & markeisha are worthless bureaucrats which means no future pipeline to Builders of Berkeley as the financial tsunami is at the doorsteps in berkeley...and no, ron has zero de facto power right now to make changes to any of these issues

big c, people r ******* done, got it?

paging mr kennedy while the lyon sleeps on pride rock



shocky, i kinda thought i was mostly agreeing with you on this. i guess what i have here is a failure to communicate well. i might just sign up for one of those certificate programs everyone is raving about
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Big C said:

Shocky1 said:

big c, if u think any knowtlon involvement will result in bears victories in football & basketball (or really any sport to be honest with you), then ur mistaken regardless of who the chancellor listens too

ur basketball roster is falling apart in real time with no promised basketball practice facility & memorial stadium's gameday football experience is deteriorating with the knowlton ****show

and there won't be FREE tixs for all students to football & basketball games as long as jimmy, jenny & markeisha are worthless bureaucrats which means no future pipeline to Builders of Berkeley as the financial tsunami is at the doorsteps in berkeley...and no, ron has zero de facto power right now to make changes to any of these issues

big c, people r ******* done, got it?

paging mr kennedy while the lyon sleeps on pride rock



shocky, i kinda thought i was mostly agreeing with you on this. i guess what i have here is a failure to communicate well. i might just sign up for one of those certificate programs everyone is raving about
Yeah, but will you get paid $800,000.00 to take it?
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Bobodeluxe said:

Big C said:

Shocky1 said:

big c, if u think any knowtlon involvement will result in bears victories in football & basketball (or really any sport to be honest with you), then ur mistaken regardless of who the chancellor listens too

ur basketball roster is falling apart in real time with no promised basketball practice facility & memorial stadium's gameday football experience is deteriorating with the knowlton ****show

and there won't be FREE tixs for all students to football & basketball games as long as jimmy, jenny & markeisha are worthless bureaucrats which means no future pipeline to Builders of Berkeley as the financial tsunami is at the doorsteps in berkeley...and no, ron has zero de facto power right now to make changes to any of these issues

big c, people r ******* done, got it?

paging mr kennedy while the lyon sleeps on pride rock



shocky, i kinda thought i was mostly agreeing with you on this. i guess what i have here is a failure to communicate well. i might just sign up for one of those certificate programs everyone is raving about
Yeah, but will you get paid $800,000.00 to take it?

Doubtful. The last time anybody gave me a bag, it was this girl who agreed to come up to my place... under one condition.
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Luck fired Taylor. He obviously has the authority, duty, responsibility, and will to make these calls. Ron needs the same.
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blungld said:

Luck fired Taylor. He obviously has the authority, duty, responsibility, and will to make these calls. Ron needs the same.
He didn't originally. Taylor reported to the AD until he retired in the late Fall....
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blungld said:

Luck fired Taylor. He obviously has the authority, duty, responsibility, and will to make these calls. Ron needs the same.


Did he though? Luck certainly signed the press release, but just a few days ago, he supported Taylor (doubled down according to espn). Were there others with more power than Luck (either the president or donors with money) that convinced him this was the proper outcome?
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ColoradoBear said:

blungld said:

Luck fired Taylor. He obviously has the authority, duty, responsibility, and will to make these calls. Ron needs the same.


Did he though? Luck certainly signed the press release, but just a few days ago, he supported Taylor (doubled down according to espn). Were there others with more power than Luck (either the president or donors with money) that convinced him this was the proper outcome?

Don't know, don't care. Just was repeating what was reported, that originally Taylor answered to Muir.

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mbBear said:

ColoradoBear said:

blungld said:

Luck fired Taylor. He obviously has the authority, duty, responsibility, and will to make these calls. Ron needs the same.


Did he though? Luck certainly signed the press release, but just a few days ago, he supported Taylor (doubled down according to espn). Were there others with more power than Luck (either the president or donors with money) that convinced him this was the proper outcome?

Don't know, don't care. Just was repeating what was reported, that originally Taylor answered to Muir.




And last month It was announced Muir is "stepping down": https://gostanford.com/news/2025/02/25/bernard-muir-to-step-down-as-director-of-stanford-athletics

So I doubt the lame duck AD makes the call.
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Oh man, the replies.

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calumnus said:

mbBear said:

ColoradoBear said:

blungld said:

Luck fired Taylor. He obviously has the authority, duty, responsibility, and will to make these calls. Ron needs the same.


Did he though? Luck certainly signed the press release, but just a few days ago, he supported Taylor (doubled down according to espn). Were there others with more power than Luck (either the president or donors with money) that convinced him this was the proper outcome?

Don't know, don't care. Just was repeating what was reported, that originally Taylor answered to Muir.




And last month It was announced Muir is "stepping down": https://gostanford.com/news/2025/02/25/bernard-muir-to-step-down-as-director-of-stanford-athletics

So I doubt the lame duck AD makes the call.


Only thing that matters...they make a bad hire as a replacement, and they lose players.
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sycasey said:

Oh man, the replies.








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