Quinn Ewers' draft/NIL decision

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concordtom
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I read an article yesterday about how TX QB Quinn Ewers had held off phenom Arch Manning for 2 years, and despite that TX was going to play Manning in his 3rd yr, so that meant Ewers would need to transfer in order to continue in college Or go NFL. Ewers chose NFL.

But Ewers slid way down in the draft and so the article said the NFL was a terrible decision because he could have made more with NIL than the entire 4 years of his salary scale deal.

Now a new article puts more meat on the bone of that assertion. Read on:







Quinn Ewers will not try to return to college football

Mike Florio
Apr 27, 2025 at 9:07 AM PDT


As quarterback Shedeur Sanders slid through round two and three of the draft, the question of whether he should try to return to college football for another year caught fire. There's another player to whom that question is relevant quarterback Quinn Ewers.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Ewers will not be attempting to return to college football for another season.

He left at least $4 million on the table by entering the draft and not transferring to Miami. He could have made, we're told, up to $8 million. (Notre Dame was also interested; it's unclear what the Irish would have paid.)

Instead, Ewers will get a slotted contract as the 231st pick in the draft. The player taken in that spot a year ago (Patriots tight end Jaheim Bell) signed a four-year, $4.126 million deal, which included a signing bonus of $108,740.


Ewers will get something in that same ballpark. Which means that his four-year haul from the Dolphins will be not much more than what he would have made in one more year of college football.

There's no guarantee he could return to college football. He'd have to hire a lawyer and challenge the rule that eliminates remaining eligibility for any player who enters the draft. While it seems to be the same kind of antitrust violation that has gutted the NCAA rulebook, it wouldn't be a slam dunk. And the Dolphins might not be thrilled if he waits to sign his rookie deal until the litigation is resolved.

Regardless of whether Ewers will or won't challenge the rule (and, again, he won't), there's another problem with the NCAA's current procedures. The January transfer portal opens during the college football playoffs. It's like having free agency during the NFL postseason.

It put Ewers in a tough spot. When the Longhorns finally lost in the semifinals, he had four days to pick a new program. He decided instead to go to the NFL.

Would he have made a different decision if he had more time to decompress from the season and conduct a more deliberate analysis? Maybe. Maybe not. But it's an issue that the NCAA needs to address. Players facing the choice between transferring to a new school or going to the NFL need a full and fair chance to gather information and make the best possible decision.

More broadly, they also should be able to return to play college football, until the moment they sign a rookie contract.
concordtom
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I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
calumnus
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concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.


If challenged in court, the player will be allowed to go back to college.

Which in turn will open up the possibility of NFL practice squad players going back to college to play, get paid and finish their degrees.
bencgilmore
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Pretty crazy. You could tell he had already done the math when he got drafted... Least excited family of a drafted player I've ever seen
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calumnus said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.


If challenged in court, the player will be allowed to go back to college.

Which in turn will open up the possibility of NFL practice squad players going back to college to play, get paid and finish their degrees.


And letting some truly disgusting timelines unfold, likeAaron Rodgers playing at usc or other grotesqueries
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concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.
calumnus
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BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.
Bobodeluxe
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He has made over ten million in the NIL era, plus many more millions from the double secret longhorn NIL. He good.
BearSD
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calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.


It is an NFL requirement for players who want to enter the draft early. https://www.nfl.com/news/fifty-five-players-granted-special-eligibility-for-2025-nfl-draft
GMP
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BearSD said:

calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.


It is an NFL requirement for players who want to enter the draft early. https://www.nfl.com/news/fifty-five-players-granted-special-eligibility-for-2025-nfl-draft


I don't see how that would be binding. The NCAA is not party to that contract. It also presumes college eligibility can be "renounced," which I think would fail if challenged.
BearSD
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GMP said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.


It is an NFL requirement for players who want to enter the draft early. https://www.nfl.com/news/fifty-five-players-granted-special-eligibility-for-2025-nfl-draft


I don't see how that would be binding. The NCAA is not party to that contract. It also presumes college eligibility can be "renounced," which I think would fail if challenged.


The NFL can enforce that "renouncing" by not permitting a player to enter their draft process a second time.

If the player is good enough to be an NFL draft choice then he would forfeit the opportunity to get drafted in the future, and forfeit the multi-year contract guaranteed by his would-be draft slot.

So maybe a player with a low ceiling who wouldn't be drafted in the future isn't losing anything.

But now you're limiting your hypothetical challengers to the small subset of players who both (a) are not good enough to be an NFL draft pick, but still good enough to get $1 million for a season of college football and (b) made the mistake of entering the NFL draft process without having a reasonable expectation of being drafted.
calumnus
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BearSD said:

GMP said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.


It is an NFL requirement for players who want to enter the draft early. https://www.nfl.com/news/fifty-five-players-granted-special-eligibility-for-2025-nfl-draft


I don't see how that would be binding. The NCAA is not party to that contract. It also presumes college eligibility can be "renounced," which I think would fail if challenged.


The NFL can enforce that "renouncing" by not permitting a player to enter their draft process a second time.

If the player is good enough to be an NFL draft choice then he would forfeit the opportunity to get drafted in the future, and forfeit the multi-year contract guaranteed by his would-be draft slot.

So maybe a player with a low ceiling who wouldn't be drafted in the future isn't losing anything.

But now you're limiting your hypothetical challengers to the small subset of players who both (a) are not good enough to be an NFL draft pick, but still good enough to get $1 million for a season of college football and (b) made the mistake of entering the NFL draft process without having a reasonable expectation of being drafted.


You could go back to college, get NIL and then, banned from the draft, just sign with any NFL team as a free agent?
GMP
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BearSD said:

GMP said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.


It is an NFL requirement for players who want to enter the draft early. https://www.nfl.com/news/fifty-five-players-granted-special-eligibility-for-2025-nfl-draft


I don't see how that would be binding. The NCAA is not party to that contract. It also presumes college eligibility can be "renounced," which I think would fail if challenged.


The NFL can enforce that "renouncing" by not permitting a player to enter their draft process a second time.

If the player is good enough to be an NFL draft choice then he would forfeit the opportunity to get drafted in the future, and forfeit the multi-year contract guaranteed by his would-be draft slot.


So maybe a player with a low ceiling who wouldn't be drafted in the future isn't losing anything.

But now you're limiting your hypothetical challengers to the small subset of players who both (a) are not good enough to be an NFL draft pick, but still good enough to get $1 million for a season of college football and (b) made the mistake of entering the NFL draft process without having a reasonable expectation of being drafted.


I don't think any of this would stand up.
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calumnus said:

BearSD said:

GMP said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.


It is an NFL requirement for players who want to enter the draft early. https://www.nfl.com/news/fifty-five-players-granted-special-eligibility-for-2025-nfl-draft


I don't see how that would be binding. The NCAA is not party to that contract. It also presumes college eligibility can be "renounced," which I think would fail if challenged.


The NFL can enforce that "renouncing" by not permitting a player to enter their draft process a second time.

If the player is good enough to be an NFL draft choice then he would forfeit the opportunity to get drafted in the future, and forfeit the multi-year contract guaranteed by his would-be draft slot.

So maybe a player with a low ceiling who wouldn't be drafted in the future isn't losing anything.

But now you're limiting your hypothetical challengers to the small subset of players who both (a) are not good enough to be an NFL draft pick, but still good enough to get $1 million for a season of college football and (b) made the mistake of entering the NFL draft process without having a reasonable expectation of being drafted.

You could go back to college, get NIL and then, banned from the draft, just sign with any NFL team as a free agent?
That's how it would work under the NFL's rules. The player is not banned from the NFL. He would be in the same boat as undrafted players, who can sign with any team.

It's likely that if really good NFL prospects tried to manipulate the draft by going back to college to avoid the team that drafted them, or because they think it would benefit them to be a free agent the following year, the NFL would add a new rule that lets a team keep the rights to a drafted player indefinitely, if the player doesn't sign. IIRC the NBA has a rule that if a drafted player doesn't sign and instead plays basketball overseas, the drafting team keeps the player's NBA rights for three years. But the NFL doesn't have a rule like that yet.
concordtom
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BearSD said:

GMP said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.


It is an NFL requirement for players who want to enter the draft early. https://www.nfl.com/news/fifty-five-players-granted-special-eligibility-for-2025-nfl-draft


I don't see how that would be binding. The NCAA is not party to that contract. It also presumes college eligibility can be "renounced," which I think would fail if challenged.


The NFL can enforce that "renouncing" by not permitting a player to enter their draft process a second time.

If the player is good enough to be an NFL draft choice then he would forfeit the opportunity to get drafted in the future, and forfeit the multi-year contract guaranteed by his would-be draft slot.

So maybe a player with a low ceiling who wouldn't be drafted in the future isn't losing anything.

But now you're limiting your hypothetical challengers to the small subset of players who both (a) are not good enough to be an NFL draft pick, but still good enough to get $1 million for a season of college football and (b) made the mistake of entering the NFL draft process without having a reasonable expectation of being drafted.


The nba used to draft players years ahead of their college departure. Isn't that how the Celtics got Larry bird?

I agree that it sounds that the ncaa is not a party to any renounced eligibility contract between nfl and player.

Maybe the nfl could say to a player that if they returned to college after being drafted in a late, unfavorable, round that the draft would stand and if they ever wanted to be in the nfl they would have to go to same teams and under the slotted salary level. Like, nba contracts $ level for rookies are mandated, no?

Problem solved.
BearSD
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concordtom said:

BearSD said:

GMP said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.


It is an NFL requirement for players who want to enter the draft early. https://www.nfl.com/news/fifty-five-players-granted-special-eligibility-for-2025-nfl-draft


I don't see how that would be binding. The NCAA is not party to that contract. It also presumes college eligibility can be "renounced," which I think would fail if challenged.


The NFL can enforce that "renouncing" by not permitting a player to enter their draft process a second time.

If the player is good enough to be an NFL draft choice then he would forfeit the opportunity to get drafted in the future, and forfeit the multi-year contract guaranteed by his would-be draft slot.

So maybe a player with a low ceiling who wouldn't be drafted in the future isn't losing anything.

But now you're limiting your hypothetical challengers to the small subset of players who both (a) are not good enough to be an NFL draft pick, but still good enough to get $1 million for a season of college football and (b) made the mistake of entering the NFL draft process without having a reasonable expectation of being drafted.


The nba used to draft players years ahead of their college departure. Isn't that how the Celtics got Larry bird?

I agree that it sounds that the ncaa is not a party to any renounced eligibility contract between nfl and player.

Maybe the nfl could say to a player that if they returned to college after being drafted in a late, unfavorable, round that the draft would stand and if they ever wanted to be in the nfl they would have to go to same teams and under the slotted salary level. Like, nba contracts $ level for rookies are mandated, no?

Problem solved.
Right, if the NCAA allows players who entered the draft to go back to CFB, the NFL can't stop that and doesn't care to. What the NFL cares about in this context is protecting the value of a draft pick, not letting players manipulate the draft, not making it easy for a player to walk away from the team that drafts him, etc. If players do start going back to CFB after being drafted, it seems likely that the NFL would let the team that previously drafted him keep his rights. So a drafted player could go back to CFB to get another year of NIL, but he would be locked into his draft slot and the team that drafted him.
concordtom
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BearSD said:

concordtom said:

BearSD said:

GMP said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.


It is an NFL requirement for players who want to enter the draft early. https://www.nfl.com/news/fifty-five-players-granted-special-eligibility-for-2025-nfl-draft


I don't see how that would be binding. The NCAA is not party to that contract. It also presumes college eligibility can be "renounced," which I think would fail if challenged.


The NFL can enforce that "renouncing" by not permitting a player to enter their draft process a second time.

If the player is good enough to be an NFL draft choice then he would forfeit the opportunity to get drafted in the future, and forfeit the multi-year contract guaranteed by his would-be draft slot.

So maybe a player with a low ceiling who wouldn't be drafted in the future isn't losing anything.

But now you're limiting your hypothetical challengers to the small subset of players who both (a) are not good enough to be an NFL draft pick, but still good enough to get $1 million for a season of college football and (b) made the mistake of entering the NFL draft process without having a reasonable expectation of being drafted.


The nba used to draft players years ahead of their college departure. Isn't that how the Celtics got Larry bird?

I agree that it sounds that the ncaa is not a party to any renounced eligibility contract between nfl and player.

Maybe the nfl could say to a player that if they returned to college after being drafted in a late, unfavorable, round that the draft would stand and if they ever wanted to be in the nfl they would have to go to same teams and under the slotted salary level. Like, nba contracts $ level for rookies are mandated, no?

Problem solved.
Right, if the NCAA allows players who entered the draft to go back to CFB, the NFL can't stop that and doesn't care to. What the NFL cares about in this context is protecting the value of a draft pick, not letting players manipulate the draft, not making it easy for a player to walk away from the team that drafts him, etc. If players do start going back to CFB after being drafted, it seems likely that the NFL would let the team that previously drafted him keep his rights. So a drafted player could go back to CFB to get another year of NIL, but he would be locked into his draft slot and the team that drafted him.


And that would seem fair to me.

Maybe the NFL could make it even more advantageous to itself by allowing a team to renounce its draft rights to said player if it wanted to (like if player broke his neck and will never play again, or was shown to have been manufactured by steroids, or engaged in some abuse or rape situation.
Maybe the league would let them redraft the pick a year later, one round lower.

NFL hypotheticals.
wifeisafurd
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BearSD said:

GMP said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concordtom said:

I find the interesting thing to be this rule that says a player can't return to college eligibility if he's in the draft. Isn't that a form of collusion with the pro leagues?
Basketball has same thing.

Daddy always told me to get multiple job offers when interviewing, and pick the best one, spurring others.
The NFL requires any player who enters the draft "early" to sign a document renouncing his remaining college eligibility. The league doesn't want drafted players to use the possibility of returning to college football as leverage.



Is that true? In the past the issue was NCAA rules that you forfeit your amateur status if you even sign with an agent, much less enter the draft.


It is an NFL requirement for players who want to enter the draft early. https://www.nfl.com/news/fifty-five-players-granted-special-eligibility-for-2025-nfl-draft


I don't see how that would be binding. The NCAA is not party to that contract. It also presumes college eligibility can be "renounced," which I think would fail if challenged.


The NFL can enforce that "renouncing" by not permitting a player to enter their draft process a second time.

If the player is good enough to be an NFL draft choice then he would forfeit the opportunity to get drafted in the future, and forfeit the multi-year contract guaranteed by his would-be draft slot.

So maybe a player with a low ceiling who wouldn't be drafted in the future isn't losing anything.

But now you're limiting your hypothetical challengers to the small subset of players who both (a) are not good enough to be an NFL draft pick, but still good enough to get $1 million for a season of college football and (b) made the mistake of entering the NFL draft process without having a reasonable expectation of being drafted.
You also could be making NFL GM worry about your commitment to playing in the NFL.

On the legal side, the NFL's rules about eligibility for the draft is part of its CBA with the player's union, so I don't see a successful legal challenge on antitrust grounds. The NCAA bookends the NFL rule by saying if you go for the draft, you lose your college eligibility (subject to some hardship exceptions such as injury). If a player challenged this, I suspect that the player likely will be granted another year of eligibility, given that the NCAA has basically stood down from any lawsuit lately.
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