Looks like Cal's 4* and top high school offensive guard in the country, Tommy Tofi, has de-committed and looks like may flip to Oregon.

I guess we can't get too excited about any player until there are still in the roster on starting day.

Golden One said:

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Grrrrah76 said:

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Looks like Cal's 4* and top high school offensive guard in the country, Tommy Tofi, has de-committed and looks like may flip to Oregon.

I guess we can't get too excited about any player until there are still in the roster on starting day.

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Keli is also gone to Oregon.

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So, we're establishing the market for these kids. Maybe we can come back in at the last minute and buy them back.

Brutal. Can't even keep a local kid at home.

Maybe he goes up there, doesn't play much (as a true freshman), hates the weather and being so far from his family.

Then maybe he comes back here next year, older and stronger, with better technique. Thanks for getting him ready, Oregon!

Maybe.

"What's the point of "commitments" anymore?"

Pick up a little pizza money for saying, "Sure, I be goin' there," and wearing a comped hat for the picture.

PapaBear93 said:

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What's the point of "commitments" anymore?
What a joke

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"commitments" are not "commitments". They are more like "preferences" or "likes"

I've learned to only get excited about the student athletes that sign on the dotted line

"There are players who are committed commitments. There are also players who are committed non committals; that is to say players with a lack of commitment. But there are also non committal non committals - the ones we know will leave and go to Oregon." - Unknown

grrrrah said:

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"Everything could change for this recruiting class after the season. Either Wilcox kills it and our recruiting flourishes or Wilcox bombs again, gets fired, we hire an exciting coach and our recruiting flourishes."

Man, I wish those were the only two possibilities. Your positivity is inspiring.

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We will know in 3 months.

blungld said:

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They need to change the rule. A commitment should be binding for at least a year. If you're not sure, don't commit. But don't waste others resources and times jerking teams around .

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So if you accept a job offer, and then get a better one, you should be forced to work there for a year? These are 16-17 year olds figuring **** out. We're forty and acting like children about it.


edit: also, this happened two days ago and y'all just now finding out? We've got this false outrage from people who don't even follow along.

We'll see if that UO commitment sticks. Roundtrip air + hotel for Mom and Dad to attend games ~$1000/weekend and Uncle Phil will handle that. But it's not the same as playing in front of a dozen family and friends,. It won't be a sure thing for any recruit until his butt is in a seat on the first day of class.

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Commitments have never been worth more than the paper they're printed on. Just go back to Toshgate; how many commits did Traitor Lupoi cost Cal?

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There is a difference, though. It was always frankly completely unreasonable in the old process that fans would complain about breaking verbal commitments and say "they oughta have a rule that commits them". Because they did have a rule that commits them. It was the LOI process. Prior to signing an LOI it was all just talk. It is like if someone gets engaged and then backs out before the wedding, I understand it is upsetting, but the wedding is the moment of commitment. And there is always going to be a time period in which you express a verbal intent to do something but haven't signed on the dotted line yet. But under the old system, everything was talk until the LOI window opened in February and once you sent in that LOI, you were committed basically for one season at least, barring exceptional circumstances.

But given that there are now transfer windows AFTER high school players make their commitment, and high school players are eligible for transfer before they have played at their committed school, their signed commitment in practice has no binding effect. Which JKS took advantage of.

I don't honestly have that big of a problem with this as it gives a high schooler the chance to show up in Spring, and if it turns out there was a whole lotta sweet talkin goin on and the reality doesn't match the recruiting pitch, like say the team doesn't value them that highly, they can get out of it.

But it is frankly odd that the high school commitment is no longer a commitment.

Bottom line is the commitment now happens in April at the end of the transfer window. Unless you are a grad student in which case there is no commitment.

bencgilmore said:

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blungld said:

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They need to change the rule. A commitment should be binding for at least a year. If you're not sure, don't commit. But don't waste others resources and times jerking teams around .

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are you serious? commitments have never been anything formal. no contract is signed. both the school and recruit can change it at any time.

i hate getting top recruits poached as much as the next guy, but if we could do the reverse to oregon we would without a second thought

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We did actually.

BearoutEast67 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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blungld said:

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They need to change the rule. A commitment should be binding for at least a year. If you're not sure, don't commit. But don't waste others resources and times jerking teams around .

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So if you accept a job offer, and then get a better one, you should be forced to work there for a year? These are 16-17 year olds figuring **** out. We're forty and acting like children about it.


edit: also, this happened two days ago and y'all just now finding out? We've got this false outrage from people who don't even follow along.

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Go away, Daffy. Head back north and stop trolling here.

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Never trolled in my life, it's called speaking the truth.

BearlyCareAnymore said:

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bencgilmore said:

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blungld said:

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They need to change the rule. A commitment should be binding for at least a year. If you're not sure, don't commit. But don't waste others resources and times jerking teams around .

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are you serious? commitments have never been anything formal. no contract is signed. both the school and recruit can change it at any time.

i hate getting top recruits poached as much as the next guy, but if we could do the reverse to oregon we would without a second thought

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We did actually.

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Exactly

ducktilldeath said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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blungld said:

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They need to change the rule. A commitment should be binding for at least a year. If you're not sure, don't commit. But don't waste others resources and times jerking teams around .

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So if you accept a job offer, and then get a better one, you should be forced to work there for a year? These are 16-17 year olds figuring **** out. We're forty and acting like children about it.


edit: also, this happened two days ago and y'all just now finding out? We've got this false outrage from people who don't even follow along.

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Go away, Daffy. Head back north and stop trolling here.

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Never trolled in my life, it's called speaking the truth.

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calumnus said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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PapaBear93 said:

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What's the point of "commitments" anymore?
What a joke

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"commitments" are not "commitments". They are more like "preferences" or "likes"

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It is essentially an engagement (and engagements can be broken off), it is not marriage (signing a LOI on Signing Day) which can be nullified soon after (Sagapolutele) or likely lead to a divorce in a year or two anyway.

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Just a date for the prom while waiting for better offers!

HearstMining said:

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We'll see if that UO commitment sticks. Roundtrip air + hotel for Mom and Dad to attend games ~$1000/weekend and Uncle Phil will handle that. But it's not the same as playing in front of a dozen family and friends,. It won't be a sure thing for any recruit until his butt is in a seat on the first day of class.

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Do they go to class at *****agon, especially the first day of school?

I'm done with College sports. Can't stand the lack of loyalty

Win Tofi back! So he's fickle! Use that against those Donald ducks!

calpoly said:

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HearstMining said:

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We'll see if that UO commitment sticks. Roundtrip air + hotel for Mom and Dad to attend games ~$1000/weekend and Uncle Phil will handle that. But it's not the same as playing in front of a dozen family and friends,. It won't be a sure thing for any recruit until his butt is in a seat on the first day of class.

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Do they go to class at *****agon, especially the first day of school?

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Fair question and I almost added that qualification. I wouldn't be surprised of the jocks at Oregon were like Shedeur Sanders who reportedly attended every class online his first year at CU and made a media event out of finally showing up in person for one his second year. Let's hope this kid from Riordan changes his mind and decides to get a good education along with his football training by switching back to Cal.

HearstMining said:

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calpoly said:

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HearstMining said:

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We'll see if that UO commitment sticks. Roundtrip air + hotel for Mom and Dad to attend games ~$1000/weekend and Uncle Phil will handle that. But it's not the same as playing in front of a dozen family and friends,. It won't be a sure thing for any recruit until his butt is in a seat on the first day of class.

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Do they go to class at *****agon, especially the first day of school?

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Fair question and I almost added that qualification. I wouldn't be surprised of the jocks at Oregon were like Shedeur Sanders who reportedly attended every class online his first year at CU and made a media event out of finally showing up in person for one his second year. Let's hope this kid from Riordan changes his mind and decides to get a good education along with his football training by switching back to Cal.

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The signing period is after the season has finished. I can understand a smart kid taking an Oregon placeholder and waiting to see how things shake out at Cal, knowing we will make room for him no matter what. If he likes where we are in December (Wilcox turned into a winner or he likes the new staff) then he can always still sign with us.

Also, as someone pointed out, a lineman is unlikely to start as a freshman at Oregon, so he may get homesick and portal back after a year after going through Nike's conditioning program with all his eligibility intact.