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If we swapped rosters and results with Indiana, Cal fans would be screaming for a Heisman for Mendoza.

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If we swapped rosters with Indiana but kept our coaches, we'd end up 6-6 at best. Because of Wilcox. He's a loser.

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If we swapped rosters and results with Indiana, Cal fans would be screaming for a Heisman for Mendoza.

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If we swapped rosters with Indiana but kept our coaches, we'd end up 6-6 at best. Because of Wilcox. He's a loser.

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I told someone on here if Wilcox had Georgia's roster, he would **** it up and go 7-5

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If we swapped rosters and results with Indiana, Cal fans would be screaming for a Heisman for Mendoza.

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If we swapped rosters with Indiana but kept our coaches, we'd end up 6-6 at best. Because of Wilcox. He's a loser.

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I told someone on here if Wilcox had Georgia's roster, he would **** it up and go 7-5

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Yep.

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Frankly I think our qb has looked better

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I agree. I do not have ill feelings towards Mendoza, Ott or any of the other players who've left. It is unfortunate that this is college football in 2025, but I cannot blame the players for playing the system.

I do not recall Mendoza speaking poorly of Cal since his departure. To me, that is critical. If you speak about your previous college in this world of college football free agency, do it respectfully. That said, these are 19-22 year olds and not the most media savvy people yet. I am not going to take too personally what someone says to a reporter or on social media, unless it goes way too far.

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"...playing the system?"

Do you say the same about CEOs and other top execs for "playing the system?" Or for any of the highly paid professional athletes signing big contracts?

Because if you don't, then you're being horribly biased. The players are simply utilizing the "free market" to establish their values as players. There's nothing unethical or unseemly about what the players are doing. The only unethical and unseemly behavior we've seen has been college football using unpaid athletes to generate billions in revenue!

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He was caught on hot mic running off from the field of play while yelling at his player for going down with an injury. "We gotta be better than this!"

He was an emotional head case the whole game. Haha.

You can tell me how he turned around an abysmal Indiana team all you want. But that's not an indication of character whatsoever. It's kind of a Harbaugh thing maybe - but a little worse than that.

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As opposed to our coach who calmly stares into space pretending to put lipstick on in front of pretend mirror all game and loses.

I'm not arguing whether he is a whack job or not. (I don't know and neither do you - though whatever he is doing he is getting the most out of his players) I'm saying it is ridiculous that you think your judgment of whether he is a whack job based on a very little is so remotely important FOR A FOOTBALL COACH, compared to the fact that he has overseen one of the most dramatic turnarounds in a program in college football history. Haha.

He ain't a professor and maybe Cal fans ought to stop acting like the skill sets are remotely similar. I loved spending five years having Cal fans tell me that "when Holmoe succeeds we will be so happy because he will have done it the right way."

Your way of thinking is arrogant, clueless, and completely destructive to the Cal football program. There is no indication that Cignetti has done anything that is unethical or lacks character. I'm not inviting him to high tea.

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Agreed. There is a scary social engineering vibe to the persistent support of Wilcox. Specifically, it's not about hiring a winning gootball coach, its about what "we want" a winning football coach to look like, above all else. No previous Cal football head coach in history has been given these immense financial and human resources and time, but for some Crack pot notion that HE is how we want our coach to look and act. Holmoe is a great comp. Powerful Cal people desperately wanted him to figure it out during those 5 years cause they desperately wanted his image/likeness to represent us.

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I probably spend too much time reading this board and the premium board. And yet, I am not seeing this "persistent support of Wilcox", at least not lately. And if it wasn't for his lengthy contract with no discount for a buyout, "lately" would include the past 3-4 years.

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I don't think there is persistent support among fan opinion, but there has been almost bizarrely persistent institutional and donor support for him. We are now years passed the point where it was clear that he was at best mediocre if not downright poor. Instead of raising money to cut him loose so we could find a good leader to run the program, as many wanted to do, we were told to raise money to buy him players to somehow drag this program to success in spite of his poor leadership. That didn't work so we hired a million former head coaches to drag his carcass to success. We've brought in Rivera and paid him top dollar to drag Wilcox's carcass to success. It is bizarre the lengths they are going to make WILCOX successful instead of making Cal successful which would point to a much simpler first step to the solution - get rid of Wilcox. At this point, if Cal succeeds it is because of everything Cal has done to prop him up, not because of him. Again Weekend at Bernie's comes to mind.

It is a really bad strategy to prop up dead weight in the most important position. He should have been replaced first and the next guy should have gotten the support. This seems pretty obvious so it begs the question why we have tried so hard to make him specifically successful. I don't think he is even that great as a "face of the program" or particularly ethical.

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The Wilcox supporters are trying to be subtle with their support because they know the tide has turned significantly in favor of getting rid of Wilcox. But if you read between the lines, you can see it.

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Just watch for the guys who are always saying "Why don't you just donate $15 million then?" Those are the closet Wilcox guys. In the face of what Penn State just did and the recent donation Stanford just got, that line is laughable.

Former TE coach Tim Plough this year had to replace his 4-year starting QB, NFL running back, and a deep stable of wide receivers. He's 5-1 and his redshirt freshman QB, Caden Pinnick - is shining, winning his 3rd straight POTW award in the Big Sky Conference. Their top-10 ranking is challenged with the injury bug, including the dominant Connors twins on defense (both out). Plough's name has come in Oregon State talks. Last week Pinnick completed 85% of his passes, 5 TDs, 0 picks.

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Frankly I think our qb has looked better

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Mendoza QB rating 183.4
Pinnick QB rating: 181.05
JKS QB rating 129.5

Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
Pinnick Completion percentage: 69.3%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%

Pinnick Int: 2
Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7

Mendoza TD: 17
Pinnick: 16
JKS TD: 9

Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
Pinnick Rushing yards per attempt: 2.3
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7

Mendoza yards rushing: 133
Pinnick yards rushing: 127
JKS yards rushing: -19

Pinnick Rushing TD: 2
Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1

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thank you. JKS is a freshman with lots of upside. He is not better than Nando - yet

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You can keep Mendoza. I'll go with JKS

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Mendoza QB rating 183.4
Pinnick QB rating: 181.05
JKS QB rating 129.5

Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
Pinnick Completion percentage: 69.3%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%

Pinnick Int: 2
Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7

Mendoza TD: 17
Pinnick: 16
JKS TD: 9

Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
Pinnick Rushing yards per attempt: 2.3
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7

Mendoza yards rushing: 133
Pinnick yards rushing: 127
JKS yards rushing: -19

Pinnick Rushing TD: 2
Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1

FM #1 to Jets lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46583887/2026-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-32-picks-jordan-reid

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FM #1 to Jets lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46583887/2026-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-32-picks-jordan-reid

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I loved FM when he was here. Heard great things about him from his neighbors, loved the passion after the Stanford game win. His departure, which made me throw away my "98 yards with my boys" shirt, was not ideal. But he is a college kid and he clearly left for an opportunity that was unique.

However, the NFL doesn't care if you are a great person or ethical or really anything besides can you help a team win and will you not get me (the GM and Coach) fired.

I would be thrilled for him if he did go high in the NFL draft because I am sure the NFL has been a dream of his. He certainly appeared to give 100% when he was here and I suspect he has done the same at Indiana. But given what I saw of him at Cal, I certainly didn't see #1 pick or even First Round pick. For this to be true he would have to have developed A TON in the last 12 months OR our system, talent and coaches were detrimental to him showing high level NFL talent.

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Former TE coach Tim Plough this year had to replace his 4-year starting QB, NFL running back, and a deep stable of wide receivers. He's 5-1 and his redshirt freshman QB, Caden Pinnick - is shining, winning his 3rd straight POTW award in the Big Sky Conference. Their top-10 ranking is challenged with the injury bug, including the dominant Connors twins on defense (both out). Plough's name has come in Oregon State talks. Last week Pinnick completed 85% of his passes, 5 TDs, 0 picks.

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Frankly I think our qb has looked better

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Mendoza QB rating 183.4
Pinnick QB rating: 181.05
JKS QB rating 129.5

Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
Pinnick Completion percentage: 69.3%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%

Pinnick Int: 2
Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7

Mendoza TD: 17
Pinnick: 16
JKS TD: 9

Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
Pinnick Rushing yards per attempt: 2.3
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7

Mendoza yards rushing: 133
Pinnick yards rushing: 127
JKS yards rushing: -19

Pinnick Rushing TD: 2
Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1

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thank you. JKS is a freshman with lots of upside. He is not better than Nando - yet

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You can keep Mendoza. I'll go with JKS

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Mendoza QB rating 183.4
Pinnick QB rating: 181.05
JKS QB rating 129.5

Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
Pinnick Completion percentage: 69.3%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%

Pinnick Int: 2
Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7

Mendoza TD: 17
Pinnick: 16
JKS TD: 9

Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
Pinnick Rushing yards per attempt: 2.3
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7

Mendoza yards rushing: 133
Pinnick yards rushing: 127
JKS yards rushing: -19

Pinnick Rushing TD: 2
Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1

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I'm not saying to hire the guy or even interview the guy, but Ploughing should at least be on the preliminary list for consideration and frankly, especially given the pay differential, he would be higher on that list for me than Franklin

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FM #1 to Jets lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46583887/2026-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-32-picks-jordan-reid

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I loved FM when he was here. Heard great things about him from his neighbors, loved the passion after the Stanford game win. His departure, which made me throw away my "98 yards with my boys" shirt, was not ideal. But he is a college kid and he clearly left for an opportunity that was unique.

However, the NFL doesn't care if you are a great person or ethical or really anything besides can you help a team win and will you not get me (the GM and Coach) fired.

I would be thrilled for him if he did go high in the NFL draft because I am sure the NFL has been a dream of his. He certainly appeared to give 100% when he was here and I suspect he has done the same at Indiana. But given what I saw of him at Cal, I certainly didn't see #1 pick or even First Round pick. For this to be true he would have to have developed A TON in the last 12 months OR our system, talent and coaches were detrimental to him showing high level NFL talent.

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I'm pretty sure it's the OR alternative you postulated. Moreso the coaches being detrimental to him. Keep in mind, he was initially the third string QB behind a couple other QBs who had less success than he at Cal.

Mendoza has played well but am I the only one that thinks QB play is very much down across college football? I haven't been impressed with any of them outside Mendoza. The NFL is in real trouble of having a QB issue in the next few years.

Agreed, multiple reporters have discussed how this was supposed to be the big QB year in the draft (compared to last year in particular), but turning into a bust...

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FM #1 to Jets lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46583887/2026-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-32-picks-jordan-reid

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That he has Dante Moore going as the 3rd overall pick tells me all I need to know about this "pundit".

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FM #1 to Jets lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46583887/2026-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-32-picks-jordan-reid

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I loved FM when he was here. Heard great things about him from his neighbors, loved the passion after the Stanford game win. His departure, which made me throw away my "98 yards with my boys" shirt, was not ideal. But he is a college kid and he clearly left for an opportunity that was unique.

However, the NFL doesn't care if you are a great person or ethical or really anything besides can you help a team win and will you not get me (the GM and Coach) fired.

I would be thrilled for him if he did go high in the NFL draft because I am sure the NFL has been a dream of his. He certainly appeared to give 100% when he was here and I suspect he has done the same at Indiana. But given what I saw of him at Cal, I certainly didn't see #1 pick or even First Round pick. For this to be true he would have to have developed A TON in the last 12 months OR our system, talent and coaches were detrimental to him showing high level NFL talent.

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I'm pretty sure it's the OR alternative you postulated. Moreso the coaches being detrimental to him. Keep in mind, he was initially the third string QB behind a couple other QBs who had less success than he at Cal.

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People do not understand how much a poorly designed offense and a bad o-line impacts the perception of a QB.

Kyle Boller went from an utter disaster to a (admittedly undeserved) first round pick in one year. That was at least as much about the offense and the offensive line as it was his improvement.

What percent of college football fans actually know that Mendoza played for Cal the past 2 years

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FM #1 to Jets lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46583887/2026-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-32-picks-jordan-reid

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I loved FM when he was here. Heard great things about him from his neighbors, loved the passion after the Stanford game win. His departure, which made me throw away my "98 yards with my boys" shirt, was not ideal. But he is a college kid and he clearly left for an opportunity that was unique.

However, the NFL doesn't care if you are a great person or ethical or really anything besides can you help a team win and will you not get me (the GM and Coach) fired.

I would be thrilled for him if he did go high in the NFL draft because I am sure the NFL has been a dream of his. He certainly appeared to give 100% when he was here and I suspect he has done the same at Indiana. But given what I saw of him at Cal, I certainly didn't see #1 pick or even First Round pick. For this to be true he would have to have developed A TON in the last 12 months OR our system, talent and coaches were detrimental to him showing high level NFL talent.

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I'm pretty sure it's the OR alternative you postulated. Moreso the coaches being detrimental to him. Keep in mind, he was initially the third string QB behind a couple other QBs who had less success than he at Cal.

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People do not understand how much a poorly designed offense and a bad o-line impacts the perception of a QB.

Kyle Boller went from an utter disaster to a (admittedly undeserved) first round pick in one year. That was at least as much about the offense and the offensive line as it was his improvement.

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Exactly. I know a coach in another sport who has had one offense for two decades. Good coaches adapt and strategize around their players capabilities.

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FM #1 to Jets lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46583887/2026-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-32-picks-jordan-reid

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I loved FM when he was here. Heard great things about him from his neighbors, loved the passion after the Stanford game win. His departure, which made me throw away my "98 yards with my boys" shirt, was not ideal. But he is a college kid and he clearly left for an opportunity that was unique.

However, the NFL doesn't care if you are a great person or ethical or really anything besides can you help a team win and will you not get me (the GM and Coach) fired.

I would be thrilled for him if he did go high in the NFL draft because I am sure the NFL has been a dream of his. He certainly appeared to give 100% when he was here and I suspect he has done the same at Indiana. But given what I saw of him at Cal, I certainly didn't see #1 pick or even First Round pick. For this to be true he would have to have developed A TON in the last 12 months OR our system, talent and coaches were detrimental to him showing high level NFL talent.

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I'm pretty sure it's the OR alternative you postulated. Moreso the coaches being detrimental to him. Keep in mind, he was initially the third string QB behind a couple other QBs who had less success than he at Cal.

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People do not understand how much a poorly designed offense and a bad o-line impacts the perception of a QB.

Kyle Boller went from an utter disaster to a (admittedly undeserved) first round pick in one year. That was at least as much about the offense and the offensive line as it was his improvement.

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Yup. Wilsux, et al did Mendoza no favors with their poor offensive schemes.

I watched the Oregun v Indiana game. Both of those schools would be better off with JKS.

Wilcox's insistence on low scoring games (get to 24) belies the fact that he has NEVER done what is required to win those type of games. Simply put, good line play on both sides of the ball. His hires for those position groups along with recruits dictated that he should have abandoned his fraught philosophy years ago.

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If it was JKS that threw the fourth quarter pick instead of Mendoza, the game would've been over and the team would've fallen apart. Mendoza may not have all the physical attributes of an elite QB but his ability to stay cool under pressure will take him far in his career

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FM #1 to Jets lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46583887/2026-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-32-picks-jordan-reid

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I loved FM when he was here. Heard great things about him from his neighbors, loved the passion after the Stanford game win. His departure, which made me throw away my "98 yards with my boys" shirt, was not ideal. But he is a college kid and he clearly left for an opportunity that was unique.

However, the NFL doesn't care if you are a great person or ethical or really anything besides can you help a team win and will you not get me (the GM and Coach) fired.

I would be thrilled for him if he did go high in the NFL draft because I am sure the NFL has been a dream of his. He certainly appeared to give 100% when he was here and I suspect he has done the same at Indiana. But given what I saw of him at Cal, I certainly didn't see #1 pick or even First Round pick. For this to be true he would have to have developed A TON in the last 12 months OR our system, talent and coaches were detrimental to him showing high level NFL talent.

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I'm pretty sure it's the OR alternative you postulated. Moreso the coaches being detrimental to him. Keep in mind, he was initially the third string QB behind a couple other QBs who had less success than he at Cal.

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People do not understand how much a poorly designed offense and a bad o-line impacts the perception of a QB.

Kyle Boller went from an utter disaster to a (admittedly undeserved) first round pick in one year. That was at least as much about the offense and the offensive line as it was his improvement.

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Wasn't Boller's big claim to fame throwing 50 yards on his knees or something? At least there maybe you say this kid has measurables, we can teach the rest? Kind of the Josh Allen argument when he was drafted.

But I hear you on QB perception. Maybe because FM didn't jump off the page athletically or with his arm (to me) that is clouding my perception.

Also important to note I was confident Jayden Daniels would be an NFL bust and that hasn't been the case. So what the heck do I know.

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I watched the Oregun v Indiana game. Both of those schools would be better off with JKS.

Wilcox's insistence on low scoring games (get to 24) belies the fact that he has NEVER done what is required to win those type of games. Simply put, good line play on both sides of the ball. His hires for those position groups along with recruits dictated that he should have abandoned his fraught philosophy years ago.

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I watched the San Diego State v Cal game. Both those schools would be better off with Mendoza.

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FM #1 to Jets lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46583887/2026-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-32-picks-jordan-reid

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I loved FM when he was here. Heard great things about him from his neighbors, loved the passion after the Stanford game win. His departure, which made me throw away my "98 yards with my boys" shirt, was not ideal. But he is a college kid and he clearly left for an opportunity that was unique.

However, the NFL doesn't care if you are a great person or ethical or really anything besides can you help a team win and will you not get me (the GM and Coach) fired.

I would be thrilled for him if he did go high in the NFL draft because I am sure the NFL has been a dream of his. He certainly appeared to give 100% when he was here and I suspect he has done the same at Indiana. But given what I saw of him at Cal, I certainly didn't see #1 pick or even First Round pick. For this to be true he would have to have developed A TON in the last 12 months OR our system, talent and coaches were detrimental to him showing high level NFL talent.

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I'm pretty sure it's the OR alternative you postulated. Moreso the coaches being detrimental to him. Keep in mind, he was initially the third string QB behind a couple other QBs who had less success than he at Cal.

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People do not understand how much a poorly designed offense and a bad o-line impacts the perception of a QB.

Kyle Boller went from an utter disaster to a (admittedly undeserved) first round pick in one year. That was at least as much about the offense and the offensive line as it was his improvement.

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Wait, I thought it was 99% due to those summertime checkers games he played with Tedford, no?

I think JKS has flashed more arm talent than Nando did with Cal, but the lack of mobility and freshman mistakes are very obvious hindrances this season.

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FM #1 to Jets lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46583887/2026-nfl-mock-draft-first-round-predictions-32-picks-jordan-reid

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I loved FM when he was here. Heard great things about him from his neighbors, loved the passion after the Stanford game win. His departure, which made me throw away my "98 yards with my boys" shirt, was not ideal. But he is a college kid and he clearly left for an opportunity that was unique.

However, the NFL doesn't care if you are a great person or ethical or really anything besides can you help a team win and will you not get me (the GM and Coach) fired.

I would be thrilled for him if he did go high in the NFL draft because I am sure the NFL has been a dream of his. He certainly appeared to give 100% when he was here and I suspect he has done the same at Indiana. But given what I saw of him at Cal, I certainly didn't see #1 pick or even First Round pick. For this to be true he would have to have developed A TON in the last 12 months OR our system, talent and coaches were detrimental to him showing high level NFL talent.

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I'm pretty sure it's the OR alternative you postulated. Moreso the coaches being detrimental to him. Keep in mind, he was initially the third string QB behind a couple other QBs who had less success than he at Cal.

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People do not understand how much a poorly designed offense and a bad o-line impacts the perception of a QB.

Kyle Boller went from an utter disaster to a (admittedly undeserved) first round pick in one year. That was at least as much about the offense and the offensive line as it was his improvement.

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Wait, I thought it was 99% due to those summertime checkers games he played with Tedford, no?

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I recall that he only played QB his senior year of high school, so he was probably getting a lot of stuff thrown at him his first years at Cal and only by his senior year did it really sink in. And yeah, the better O-line helped a lot as well as Igber's running threat.

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I do not recall Mendoza speaking poorly of Cal since his departure.

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"I loved Berkeley, but I had 3 different Offensive Coordinators in 3 years...."

Wilcox needs to take some blame. His choices for both OC and DC have been terrible over the years (besides DeRuyter maybe). Giving up 45 pts to Duke. What a joke.

98 yards with his boys has a price tag.

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Mendoza QB rating 183.4
JKS QB rating 129.5

Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%

Mendoza yards per pass attempt: 9.3
JKS yards per attempt: 7.1

Mendoza Adjusted yards per attempt: 10.93
JKS Adjusted yards per attempt: 6.47

Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7

Mendoza TD: 17
JKS TD: 9

Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7

Mendoza yards rushing: 133
JKS yards rushing: -19

Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1

Indiana opponents' sagarin ratings
Oregon - 2
Iowa - 23
Illinois - 26
Old Dominion - 62
Kennesaw State - 120
Indiana State - 218

Cal opponents' sagarin ratings
Duke - 34
Minnesota - 57
SDSU - 75
Boston College - 97
Oregon State - 132
Texas Southern - 222

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Blue and Gold looks better than Red and White. I dont see that stat in your list.

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I do not recall Mendoza speaking poorly of Cal since his departure.

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"I loved Berkeley, but I had 3 different Offensive Coordinators in 3 years...."

Wilcox needs to take some blame. His choices for both OC and DC have been terrible over the years (besides DeRuyter maybe). Giving up 45 pts to Duke. What a joke.

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So he's poor at hiring proven coordinators or upcoming talent. JW was part of solid programs, but not a difference maker or expert himself?

Will RR hash this out?

The coaching staff deserves some credit for having recruited Mendoza, who was set to play football at Yale and probably did not receive any P4 offers, and turned out to be one of the top QBs in college football.

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The coaching staff deserves some credit for having recruited Mendoza, who was set to play football at Yale and probably did not receive any P4 offers, and turned out to be one of the top QBs in college football.

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I would agree except that when they saw him every day they didn't recognize the ability. He was third string while they started an absolutely awful QB. Then they replaced the awful QB with a worse QB. Then they played Mendoza out of desperation and he did well. Then in the offseason they went out and recruited a transfer to compete with him and made clear he didn't have the job. Whatever you think of the way Mendoza left, it might not have come to that if the coaching staff had any stability, the Oline was any good, and the coaches didn't take so long to realize he was their starter above options that were so far beneath him in ability.

It seems more like they didn't think Mendoza was very good but he was the best they could get at the time and they spent the entire time trying to make sure they never had to play him.

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Frankly I think our qb has looked better

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Mendoza QB rating 183.4
JKS QB rating 129.5

Mendoza Completion percentage 71.2%
JKS Completion percentage 62.2%

Mendoza yards per pass attempt: 9.3
JKS yards per attempt: 7.1

Mendoza Adjusted yards per attempt: 10.93
JKS Adjusted yards per attempt: 6.47

Mendoza Int: 2
JKS Int 7

Mendoza TD: 17
JKS TD: 9

Mendoza Rushing yards per attempt: 3.7 ypc
JKS Rushing yards per attempt: -0'7

Mendoza yards rushing: 133
JKS yards rushing: -19

Mendoza Rushing TD: 2
JKS Rushing TD: 1

Indiana opponents' sagarin ratings
Oregon - 2
Iowa - 23
Illinois - 26
Old Dominion - 62
Kennesaw State - 120
Indiana State - 218

Cal opponents' sagarin ratings
Duke - 34
Minnesota - 57
SDSU - 75
Boston College - 97
Oregon State - 132
Texas Southern - 222

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Blue and Gold looks better than Red and White. I dont see that stat in your list.

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Certainly. That isn't the point. I'm arguing against delusion. Unless you want to argue Cal has the best player in the country at every position because they all wear Blue and Gold.

Wilcox wears Blue and Gold and Cignetti wears Red and White. I don't see anyone putting that in the "stat" column when deciding who is the better coach.

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The coaching staff deserves some credit for having recruited Mendoza, who was set to play football at Yale and probably did not receive any P4 offers, and turned out to be one of the top QBs in college football.

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I would agree except that when they saw him every day they didn't recognize the ability. He was third string while they started an absolutely awful QB. Then they replaced the awful QB with a worse QB. Then they played Mendoza out of desperation and he did well. Then in the offseason they went out and recruited a transfer to compete with him and made clear he didn't have the job. Whatever you think of the way Mendoza left, it might not have come to that if the coaching staff had any stability, the Oline was any good, and the coaches didn't take so long to realize he was their starter above options that were so far beneath him in ability.

It seems more like they didn't think Mendoza was very good but he was the best they could get at the time and they spent the entire time trying to make sure they never had to play him.

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Nobody besides us thought he was any good.

Ok discussion point I guess. Comparing him to JKS seems a bit silly to me, but he truly was an asset to last years Bears squad. Which game was it where at the end he literally started to cry? Not a fault, just made me feel uneasy.

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Cal88 said:

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The coaching staff deserves some credit for having recruited Mendoza, who was set to play football at Yale and probably did not receive any P4 offers, and turned out to be one of the top QBs in college football.

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I would agree except that when they saw him every day they didn't recognize the ability. He was third string while they started an absolutely awful QB. Then they replaced the awful QB with a worse QB. Then they played Mendoza out of desperation and he did well. Then in the offseason they went out and recruited a transfer to compete with him and made clear he didn't have the job. Whatever you think of the way Mendoza left, it might not have come to that if the coaching staff had any stability, the Oline was any good, and the coaches didn't take so long to realize he was their starter above options that were so far beneath him in ability.

It seems more like they didn't think Mendoza was very good but he was the best they could get at the time and they spent the entire time trying to make sure they never had to play him.

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Yup, this was my observation as well. The coaching staff didn't seem to realize Mendoza was their best QB until they were absolutely forced to.

It's a pattern we also saw with Chase Garbers for a while. At least there doesn't seem to be any doubt with JKS right now.