Can we get him before Florida?

Stanford?

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Stanford?

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you know this is what's going to happen with that fresh 50mm. Overnight turnaround while we continue to circle the drain. SMH

Lose to Northwestern this is what happens

He could be Ty Willingham Jr at Stanford

If he wanted to keep his job, he should've brought in an assistant who could help him win the big games, even if that assistant raped young boys on campus. That's the Pedo State way.

I think he will have a numerous better jobs he can go to than Cal

$49m buyout and Penn state didn't even blink. That's what a real football program looks like.

Gee! So you can fire a head coach mid season! Unless you are Cal.

nikeykid said:

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$49m buyout and Penn state didn't even blink. That's what a real football program looks like.

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It's $56 million total with all the incentives and retention bonus. News is saying the donors will be funding the buyout.

But Cal has more billionaires?!?

Econ141 said:

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But Cal has more billionaires?!?

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Penn State has more donors who have witnessed winning competitive football for decades.
Cal donors are still waiting for success of that magnitude.
And billionaires generally don't make bad investments.

philly1121 said:

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> News is saying the donors will be funding the buyout.

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as they do, most places.

Definition of an average but overpaid coach for a while..

We just got bumped up into the top 10 longest tenured HCs, albeit with by far the worst record

Would Franklin still command top dollar? Can anybody make the case that his career is still ascending? Usually, if you are no longer ascending, you are descending.

More bang for the buck with an up-and-comer. Try and find the next Tedford.

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If he wanted to keep his job, he should've brought in an assistant who could help him win the big games, even if that assistant raped young boys on campus. That's the Pedo State way.

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If people knew the full story of abuse of kids including politicians as well s other head coaches, they'd burn down that university (Not that I'm suggesting it)
PS, the FBI knew everything.
PS 2 - People need to realize how tainted he was for taking that job. There's many universities that would never hire him because he helped Penn state recover from the worst scandal ever. He was called the "Pedo Hero". Do we want that at Cal?
Knowing Cal well probably end up with him and it kills our program permanently. that's the Cal way.
They used him to recover from tht then dumped him after two losses. Sleep with the dog you get fleas..

nikeykid said:

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$49m buyout and Penn state didn't even blink. That's what a real football program looks like.

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Yup

its like we are middle class and penn state and ohio state are like billionaires. We are in 2 different stratosphere.

These coaches get paid $10 M a year, they should have to fear for their job every week. It comes with the territory. They need to be maniacal, detail oriented, borderline obsessive about success. That's what you get paid to do.

I doubt Wilcox even lost a second of sleep coming off of a loss last year. This year, maybe a bit because now Rivera is in. He has better job security than a lot us and he is not even average

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nikeykid said:

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$49m buyout and Penn state didn't even blink. That's what a real football program looks like.

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Yup

its like we are middle class and penn state and ohio state are like billionaires. We are in 2 different stratosphere.

These coaches get paid $10 M a year, they should have to fear for their job every week. It comes with the territory. They need to be maniacal, detail oriented, borderline obsessive about success. That's what you get paid to do.

I doubt Wilcox even lost a second of sleep coming off of a loss last year. This year, maybe a bit because now Rivera is in. He has better job security than a lot us and he is not even average

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We might be confusing success with determination to succeed. Supposedly, Wilcox works as hard and cares about winning as much as the next college HC. Most of these guys don't need pressure from the top as a motivator. JMO

TonyTiger said:

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01Bear said:

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If he wanted to keep his job, he should've brought in an assistant who could help him win the big games, even if that assistant raped young boys on campus. That's the Pedo State way.

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If people knew the full story of abuse of kids including politicians as well s other head coaches, they'd burn down that university (Not that I'm suggesting it)
PS, the FBI knew everything.
PS 2 - People need to realize how tainted he was for taking that job. There's many universities that would never hire him because he helped Penn state recover from the worst scandal ever. He was called the "Pedo Hero". Do we want that at Cal?
Knowing Cal well probably end up with him and it kills our program permanently. that's the Cal way.
They used him to recover from tht then dumped him after two losses. Sleep with the dog you get fleas..

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What do you think of Sandy Barbour?

He made it to the final 4 of the CFP playoffs last year

TonyTiger said:

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01Bear said:

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If he wanted to keep his job, he should've brought in an assistant who could help him win the big games, even if that assistant raped young boys on campus. That's the Pedo State way.

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If people knew the full story of abuse of kids including politicians as well s other head coaches, they'd burn down that university (Not that I'm suggesting it)
PS, the FBI knew everything.
PS 2 - People need to realize how tainted he was for taking that job. There's many universities that would never hire him because he helped Penn state recover from the worst scandal ever. He was called the "Pedo Hero". Do we want that at Cal?
Knowing Cal well probably end up with him and it kills our program permanently. that's the Cal way.

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No, the Cal way is hiring and extending a thoroughly mediocre head coach that destroys all enthusiasm for the program, but is an upstanding moral character, doesn't have recruiting scandals (doesn't recruit), marital scandals (single), or addiction scandals (does he drink?).

Our head coach doesn't commit any sins and is perfect in every way except for actually doing his actual job that he's paid $5M a year for

Three weeks ago he was a double OT loss from being number one. Now he's out the door.

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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nikeykid said:

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$49m buyout and Penn state didn't even blink. That's what a real football program looks like.

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Yup

its like we are middle class and penn state and ohio state are like billionaires. We are in 2 different stratosphere.

These coaches get paid $10 M a year, they should have to fear for their job every week. It comes with the territory. They need to be maniacal, detail oriented, borderline obsessive about success. That's what you get paid to do.

I doubt Wilcox even lost a second of sleep coming off of a loss last year. This year, maybe a bit because now Rivera is in. He has better job security than a lot us and he is not even average

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We might be confusing success with determination to succeed. Supposedly, Wilcox works as hard and cares about winning as much as the next college HC. Most of these guys don't need pressure from the top as a motivator. JMO

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Sure, he might be "determined" to succeed and I might have over exagerrated, but if he really fears for his job, he wouldn't commit to Bloesch because they are good friends without just testing him during the bowl season, which he will quickly find out that he is not up for the job. He committed to him once Spivatal left the program and set us back a year.

Likewise, he wouldn't have stayed with Sirmon all these years. DeRuyter had the last elite defense in Wilcox's tenure. We didn't need 4 + years of consistently giving up third and mediums/third and longs before we realize that the defense is above average at best.

The coaching decisions and hires he made either came from a position of being too comfortable with his job, stubbornness, or lack of critical thinking ability. Most likely all 3. Maybe a better qualifier is not how much Wilcox "cares" but whether he made decisions that were truly reflective of how comfortable he is. IMO he is far too comfortable.

Anarchistbear said:

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Lose to Northwestern this is what happens

He could be Ty Willingham Jr at Stanford

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The process was started after the loss to UCLA.

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Big C said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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nikeykid said:

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$49m buyout and Penn state didn't even blink. That's what a real football program looks like.

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Yup

its like we are middle class and penn state and ohio state are like billionaires. We are in 2 different stratosphere.

These coaches get paid $10 M a year, they should have to fear for their job every week. It comes with the territory. They need to be maniacal, detail oriented, borderline obsessive about success. That's what you get paid to do.

I doubt Wilcox even lost a second of sleep coming off of a loss last year. This year, maybe a bit because now Rivera is in. He has better job security than a lot us and he is not even average

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We might be confusing success with determination to succeed. Supposedly, Wilcox works as hard and cares about winning as much as the next college HC. Most of these guys don't need pressure from the top as a motivator. JMO

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Sure, he might be "determined" to succeed and I might have over exagerrated, but if he really fears for his job, he wouldn't commit to Bloesch because they are good friends without just testing him during the bowl season, which he will quickly find out that he is not up for the job. He committed to him once Spivatal left the program and set us back a year.

Likewise, he wouldn't have stayed with Sirmon all these years. DeRuyter had the last elite defense in Wilcox's tenure. We didn't need 4 + years of consistently giving up third and mediums/third and longs before we realize that the defense is above average at best.

The coaching decisions and hires he made either came from a position of being too comfortable with his job, stubbornness, or lack of critical thinking ability. Most likely all 3. Maybe a better qualifier is not how much Wilcox "cares" but whether he made decisions that were truly reflective of how comfortable he is. IMO he is far too comfortable.

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Okay, good point. Maybe throw in Harsin as a "buddy hire" as well.

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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Big C said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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nikeykid said:

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$49m buyout and Penn state didn't even blink. That's what a real football program looks like.

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Yup

its like we are middle class and penn state and ohio state are like billionaires. We are in 2 different stratosphere.

These coaches get paid $10 M a year, they should have to fear for their job every week. It comes with the territory. They need to be maniacal, detail oriented, borderline obsessive about success. That's what you get paid to do.

I doubt Wilcox even lost a second of sleep coming off of a loss last year. This year, maybe a bit because now Rivera is in. He has better job security than a lot us and he is not even average

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We might be confusing success with determination to succeed. Supposedly, Wilcox works as hard and cares about winning as much as the next college HC. Most of these guys don't need pressure from the top as a motivator. JMO

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Sure, he might be "determined" to succeed and I might have over exagerrated, but if he really fears for his job, he wouldn't commit to Bloesch because they are good friends without just testing him during the bowl season, which he will quickly find out that he is not up for the job. He committed to him once Spivatal left the program and set us back a year.

Likewise, he wouldn't have stayed with Sirmon all these years. DeRuyter had the last elite defense in Wilcox's tenure. We didn't need 4 + years of consistently giving up third and mediums/third and longs before we realize that the defense is above average at best.

The coaching decisions and hires he made either came from a position of being too comfortable with his job, stubbornness, or lack of critical thinking ability. Most likely all 3. Maybe a better qualifier is not how much Wilcox "cares" but whether he made decisions that were truly reflective of how comfortable he is. IMO he is far too comfortable.

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Okay, good point. Maybe throw in Harsin as a "buddy hire" as well.

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Harsin is not even that bad of a hire per se, the overall management of the operation from the top has been the issue from the beginning

If you are Cal and you had the $$$ you fire Wilcox the day after SMU and have already lined up Franklin

1) Name me another coach who can point to success at an academically focused school and thus starts from first base with the "academics" matter constituencies that exist both in and outside cal

2) Name me an AFRICAN AMERICAN coach - which makes complete sense in a sport dominated by African American kids (as a percentage) and which is especially the case for West Coast/California recruiting

3) A coach who is career winning percentage is is over .66 - and with 6 10+ victory seasons.

It is almost laughable that what he is getting dinged for (but SOOOOO Penn State - is their a more delusional fan base in American) is losing to tOSU and when Michigan is in the top 5 at a school in the Northeast coming off a miserable and near program destroying set of sanctions.

I am sorry. James Franklin is the Alpha and Omega of a coaching search at a Cal that is committed to winning EXCEPT if Saban comes off the beach and commits for 10 year and is going to sleep every night in one of those med beds the President knows about. ;-)

socaltownie said:

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I am sorry. James Franklin is the Alpha and Omega of a coaching search at a Cal that is committed to winning EXCEPT if Saban comes off the beach and commits for 10 year and is going to sleep every night in one of those med beds the President knows about. ;-)

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Would James Franklin be a lousy hire? Sort of
Better than Wilcox? Definitely
Affordable? Absolutely

Econ141 said:

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But Cal has more billionaires?!?

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Cal invested in ensuring future donors DIDNT donate to athletics.

Hkw is he bad? How many wins does cal have against top 5 opponents ovet the past x number of years???!!! And ucla butt stomped msu so may not be that bad.

socaltownie said:

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Hkw is he bad? How many wins does cal have against top 5 opponents ovet the past x number of years???!!! And ucla butt stomped msu so may not be that bad.

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Retread hires are a mixed bag generally, hiring Franklin would be an upgrade over Wilcox but not the major jolt we are looking for

nikeykid said:

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$49m buyout and Penn state didn't even blink. That's what a real football program looks like.

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Cal donors crying about a $15 million buyout just proves that we will always be too small-time to play in the big boy college football pond.

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nikeykid said:

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$49m buyout and Penn state didn't even blink. That's what a real football program looks like.

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Cal donors crying about a $15 million buyout just proves that we will always be too small-time to play in the big boy college football pond.

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Donors are not giving anything until Ron convinces them he is the guy to change things, so he has to make the first move

FYI under armour is supposedly both behind the change and funding the buyout. They just reupped and I guess it's very expensive for a brand to be losing to northwestern

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FYI under armour is supposedly both behind the change and funding the buyout. They just reupped and I guess it's very expensive for a brand to be losing to northwestern

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Is this the same Under Armour who reneged on their deal with UCLA and us?