okaydo said:The $1 million scenario here is whether Justin Wilcox gets poached by another program, which would then pay Cal. You’d have to imagine it’s an assistant job, a la Chip Kelly to Ohio State.
— Avinash Kunnath (@avinashkunnath) October 27, 2025
His buyout is reportedly $15+ million, which will reduce to $10+ million after 12/1. https://t.co/HmDYYFIRTJ
wifeisafurd said:socaltownie said:
Here is all I am going to say (and I know it pisses some of you off but oh well)
THERE HAVE BEEN _TEN_ MID SEASON FIRINGS IN THE CFP THIS YEAR. _TEN_
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46615017/2025-college-football-coaching-carousel-firings-hirings
And while I am sure the particulars differ, a universal theme that dominants is that schools that care and are all in actually want to demonstrate that they place fans (and alumni but really fans) at the forefront of the new world order. Without them there is no NIL, there are no seasons tixs sold, there is no beneficial synergies from feel good saturdays to unrestricted donations. Theses schools prioritize FANS and winning. When 20 or 30K Cal fans showed up to SDSU to see that stinker a school that cares about big time football would have APOLOGIZED to them - as opposed to RR shaming people for being frustrated.
I don't expect Wilcox to be fired. I DO expect that the co-DC crap would end officially tomorrow. I expect RR to stand up and not shame people but rather say explicitly that Friday night was UNACCEPTABLE and that he will do everything in his power to have a team not run the same play 16 times (I ****ing counted) and not come up with an answer.
This whole "trust the insider whales they got this covered" thing is growing tired. That insider whales let Fox coach for 3 years too long and didn't get a totally over head AD fired within a year. I am not sure what they Care about but it isn't building a world class P4 athletic program. I am not sure they even know what that is.
And that in a nut shell is why I am so in favor of dropping down. If you are not willing to do what TEN OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS YEAR you are not serious. You actually are sorta running a scam because you are aksing for donations and tix sales and support but not showing the seriousness on your side of the table.
The pace of early and midseason firings has accelerated, but we are talking just 10 coaches and yes sometimes with unique circumstances. I am not seeing any late season firings. With most teams being in the last one-third of their regular season, it is now late season, and I have not seen any other head coaches being hired.
Most "experts" are predicting there will be a much bigger changes in coaching staff than normal coaching carousel period, which means more opportunities to build a better coaching staff.
It seems to me the only real benefit for replacing Wilcox is the emotional temperament of some of the fan base, which often changes with game to game outcomes. If Wilcox wins eight or nine games (one of which is Big Game) a lot of the fan base will demand he be retained.
socaltownie said:wifeisafurd said:socaltownie said:
Here is all I am going to say (and I know it pisses some of you off but oh well)
THERE HAVE BEEN _TEN_ MID SEASON FIRINGS IN THE CFP THIS YEAR. _TEN_
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46615017/2025-college-football-coaching-carousel-firings-hirings
And while I am sure the particulars differ, a universal theme that dominants is that schools that care and are all in actually want to demonstrate that they place fans (and alumni but really fans) at the forefront of the new world order. Without them there is no NIL, there are no seasons tixs sold, there is no beneficial synergies from feel good saturdays to unrestricted donations. Theses schools prioritize FANS and winning. When 20 or 30K Cal fans showed up to SDSU to see that stinker a school that cares about big time football would have APOLOGIZED to them - as opposed to RR shaming people for being frustrated.
I don't expect Wilcox to be fired. I DO expect that the co-DC crap would end officially tomorrow. I expect RR to stand up and not shame people but rather say explicitly that Friday night was UNACCEPTABLE and that he will do everything in his power to have a team not run the same play 16 times (I ****ing counted) and not come up with an answer.
This whole "trust the insider whales they got this covered" thing is growing tired. That insider whales let Fox coach for 3 years too long and didn't get a totally over head AD fired within a year. I am not sure what they Care about but it isn't building a world class P4 athletic program. I am not sure they even know what that is.
And that in a nut shell is why I am so in favor of dropping down. If you are not willing to do what TEN OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS YEAR you are not serious. You actually are sorta running a scam because you are aksing for donations and tix sales and support but not showing the seriousness on your side of the table.
The pace of early and midseason firings has accelerated, but are talking 10 coaches and yes sometimes with unique circumstances. I am not seeing any late season firings, and with most teams being in the last one-tjird of their season, it is now late season. And I have not seen any new head coaches being hired.
Most "experts" are predicting there will be a much bigger changes in coaching staff than normal coaching carousel period, which means more opportunities to build a better coaching staff.
Like I said, I am not expecting Wilcox to get canned and I am not sure it even makes sense at 5 and 3. But I do think the Co-DC thing should be officially dead on Monday. It sends a signal both about accountability and about being serious. And RR should demand Wilcox do it.
wifeisafurd said:socaltownie said:wifeisafurd said:socaltownie said:
Here is all I am going to say (and I know it pisses some of you off but oh well)
THERE HAVE BEEN _TEN_ MID SEASON FIRINGS IN THE CFP THIS YEAR. _TEN_
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46615017/2025-college-football-coaching-carousel-firings-hirings
And while I am sure the particulars differ, a universal theme that dominants is that schools that care and are all in actually want to demonstrate that they place fans (and alumni but really fans) at the forefront of the new world order. Without them there is no NIL, there are no seasons tixs sold, there is no beneficial synergies from feel good saturdays to unrestricted donations. Theses schools prioritize FANS and winning. When 20 or 30K Cal fans showed up to SDSU to see that stinker a school that cares about big time football would have APOLOGIZED to them - as opposed to RR shaming people for being frustrated.
I don't expect Wilcox to be fired. I DO expect that the co-DC crap would end officially tomorrow. I expect RR to stand up and not shame people but rather say explicitly that Friday night was UNACCEPTABLE and that he will do everything in his power to have a team not run the same play 16 times (I ****ing counted) and not come up with an answer.
This whole "trust the insider whales they got this covered" thing is growing tired. That insider whales let Fox coach for 3 years too long and didn't get a totally over head AD fired within a year. I am not sure what they Care about but it isn't building a world class P4 athletic program. I am not sure they even know what that is.
And that in a nut shell is why I am so in favor of dropping down. If you are not willing to do what TEN OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS YEAR you are not serious. You actually are sorta running a scam because you are aksing for donations and tix sales and support but not showing the seriousness on your side of the table.
The pace of early and midseason firings has accelerated, but are talking 10 coaches and yes sometimes with unique circumstances. I am not seeing any late season firings, and with most teams being in the last one-tjird of their season, it is now late season. And I have not seen any new head coaches being hired.
Most "experts" are predicting there will be a much bigger changes in coaching staff than normal coaching carousel period, which means more opportunities to build a better coaching staff.
Like I said, I am not expecting Wilcox to get canned and I am not sure it even makes sense at 5 and 3. But I do think the Co-DC thing should be officially dead on Monday. It sends a signal both about accountability and about being serious. And RR should demand Wilcox do it.
you could be right - we will see tomorrow.
Rushinbear said:wifeisafurd said:socaltownie said:wifeisafurd said:socaltownie said:
Here is all I am going to say (and I know it pisses some of you off but oh well)
THERE HAVE BEEN _TEN_ MID SEASON FIRINGS IN THE CFP THIS YEAR. _TEN_
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46615017/2025-college-football-coaching-carousel-firings-hirings
And while I am sure the particulars differ, a universal theme that dominants is that schools that care and are all in actually want to demonstrate that they place fans (and alumni but really fans) at the forefront of the new world order. Without them there is no NIL, there are no seasons tixs sold, there is no beneficial synergies from feel good saturdays to unrestricted donations. Theses schools prioritize FANS and winning. When 20 or 30K Cal fans showed up to SDSU to see that stinker a school that cares about big time football would have APOLOGIZED to them - as opposed to RR shaming people for being frustrated.
I don't expect Wilcox to be fired. I DO expect that the co-DC crap would end officially tomorrow. I expect RR to stand up and not shame people but rather say explicitly that Friday night was UNACCEPTABLE and that he will do everything in his power to have a team not run the same play 16 times (I ****ing counted) and not come up with an answer.
This whole "trust the insider whales they got this covered" thing is growing tired. That insider whales let Fox coach for 3 years too long and didn't get a totally over head AD fired within a year. I am not sure what they Care about but it isn't building a world class P4 athletic program. I am not sure they even know what that is.
And that in a nut shell is why I am so in favor of dropping down. If you are not willing to do what TEN OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS YEAR you are not serious. You actually are sorta running a scam because you are aksing for donations and tix sales and support but not showing the seriousness on your side of the table.
The pace of early and midseason firings has accelerated, but are talking 10 coaches and yes sometimes with unique circumstances. I am not seeing any late season firings, and with most teams being in the last one-tjird of their season, it is now late season. And I have not seen any new head coaches being hired.
Most "experts" are predicting there will be a much bigger changes in coaching staff than normal coaching carousel period, which means more opportunities to build a better coaching staff.
Like I said, I am not expecting Wilcox to get canned and I am not sure it even makes sense at 5 and 3. But I do think the Co-DC thing should be officially dead on Monday. It sends a signal both about accountability and about being serious. And RR should demand Wilcox do it.
you could be right - we will see tomorrow.
could JW be overridden on assistant hires?
wifeisafurd said:wifeisafurd said:socaltownie said:
Here is all I am going to say (and I know it pisses some of you off but oh well)
THERE HAVE BEEN _TEN_ MID SEASON FIRINGS IN THE CFP THIS YEAR. _TEN_
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46615017/2025-college-football-coaching-carousel-firings-hirings
And while I am sure the particulars differ, a universal theme that dominants is that schools that care and are all in actually want to demonstrate that they place fans (and alumni but really fans) at the forefront of the new world order. Without them there is no NIL, there are no seasons tixs sold, there is no beneficial synergies from feel good saturdays to unrestricted donations. Theses schools prioritize FANS and winning. When 20 or 30K Cal fans showed up to SDSU to see that stinker a school that cares about big time football would have APOLOGIZED to them - as opposed to RR shaming people for being frustrated.
I don't expect Wilcox to be fired. I DO expect that the co-DC crap would end officially tomorrow. I expect RR to stand up and not shame people but rather say explicitly that Friday night was UNACCEPTABLE and that he will do everything in his power to have a team not run the same play 16 times (I ****ing counted) and not come up with an answer.
This whole "trust the insider whales they got this covered" thing is growing tired. That insider whales let Fox coach for 3 years too long and didn't get a totally over head AD fired within a year. I am not sure what they Care about but it isn't building a world class P4 athletic program. I am not sure they even know what that is.
And that in a nut shell is why I am so in favor of dropping down. If you are not willing to do what TEN OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS YEAR you are not serious. You actually are sorta running a scam because you are aksing for donations and tix sales and support but not showing the seriousness on your side of the table.
The pace of early and midseason firings has accelerated, but we are talking just 10 coaches and yes sometimes with unique circumstances. I am not seeing any late season firings. With most teams being in the last one-third of their regular season, it is now late season, and I have not seen any other head coaches being hired.
Most "experts" are predicting there will be a much bigger changes in coaching staff than normal coaching carousel period, which means more opportunities to build a better coaching staff.
It seems to me the only real benefit for replacing Wilcox is the emotional temperament of some of the fan base, which often changes with game to game outcomes. If Wilcox wins eight or nine games (one of which is Big Game) a lot of the fan base will demand he be retained.
this post didn't date well. Bryan Kelly just got canned at LSU. This is going to be a crazy December.
TedfordTheGreat said:wifeisafurd said:wifeisafurd said:socaltownie said:
Here is all I am going to say (and I know it pisses some of you off but oh well)
THERE HAVE BEEN _TEN_ MID SEASON FIRINGS IN THE CFP THIS YEAR. _TEN_
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46615017/2025-college-football-coaching-carousel-firings-hirings
And while I am sure the particulars differ, a universal theme that dominants is that schools that care and are all in actually want to demonstrate that they place fans (and alumni but really fans) at the forefront of the new world order. Without them there is no NIL, there are no seasons tixs sold, there is no beneficial synergies from feel good saturdays to unrestricted donations. Theses schools prioritize FANS and winning. When 20 or 30K Cal fans showed up to SDSU to see that stinker a school that cares about big time football would have APOLOGIZED to them - as opposed to RR shaming people for being frustrated.
I don't expect Wilcox to be fired. I DO expect that the co-DC crap would end officially tomorrow. I expect RR to stand up and not shame people but rather say explicitly that Friday night was UNACCEPTABLE and that he will do everything in his power to have a team not run the same play 16 times (I ****ing counted) and not come up with an answer.
This whole "trust the insider whales they got this covered" thing is growing tired. That insider whales let Fox coach for 3 years too long and didn't get a totally over head AD fired within a year. I am not sure what they Care about but it isn't building a world class P4 athletic program. I am not sure they even know what that is.
And that in a nut shell is why I am so in favor of dropping down. If you are not willing to do what TEN OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS YEAR you are not serious. You actually are sorta running a scam because you are aksing for donations and tix sales and support but not showing the seriousness on your side of the table.
The pace of early and midseason firings has accelerated, but we are talking just 10 coaches and yes sometimes with unique circumstances. I am not seeing any late season firings. With most teams being in the last one-third of their regular season, it is now late season, and I have not seen any other head coaches being hired.
Most "experts" are predicting there will be a much bigger changes in coaching staff than normal coaching carousel period, which means more opportunities to build a better coaching staff.
It seems to me the only real benefit for replacing Wilcox is the emotional temperament of some of the fan base, which often changes with game to game outcomes. If Wilcox wins eight or nine games (one of which is Big Game) a lot of the fan base will demand he be retained.
this post didn't date well. Bryan Kelly just got canned at LSU. This is going to be a crazy December.
We can now add Hugh Freeze to the list.
So all thse programs try to placate the fans and we are not making any efforts to.
It goes back to the earlier point. If we already determined Wilcox is not the guy, why wait? What's the benefit? My biggest fear is that Ron is still debating whether Wilcox is the guy. That'd be scary
DoubtfulBear said:TedfordTheGreat said:wifeisafurd said:wifeisafurd said:socaltownie said:
Here is all I am going to say (and I know it pisses some of you off but oh well)
THERE HAVE BEEN _TEN_ MID SEASON FIRINGS IN THE CFP THIS YEAR. _TEN_
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46615017/2025-college-football-coaching-carousel-firings-hirings
And while I am sure the particulars differ, a universal theme that dominants is that schools that care and are all in actually want to demonstrate that they place fans (and alumni but really fans) at the forefront of the new world order. Without them there is no NIL, there are no seasons tixs sold, there is no beneficial synergies from feel good saturdays to unrestricted donations. Theses schools prioritize FANS and winning. When 20 or 30K Cal fans showed up to SDSU to see that stinker a school that cares about big time football would have APOLOGIZED to them - as opposed to RR shaming people for being frustrated.
I don't expect Wilcox to be fired. I DO expect that the co-DC crap would end officially tomorrow. I expect RR to stand up and not shame people but rather say explicitly that Friday night was UNACCEPTABLE and that he will do everything in his power to have a team not run the same play 16 times (I ****ing counted) and not come up with an answer.
This whole "trust the insider whales they got this covered" thing is growing tired. That insider whales let Fox coach for 3 years too long and didn't get a totally over head AD fired within a year. I am not sure what they Care about but it isn't building a world class P4 athletic program. I am not sure they even know what that is.
And that in a nut shell is why I am so in favor of dropping down. If you are not willing to do what TEN OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS YEAR you are not serious. You actually are sorta running a scam because you are aksing for donations and tix sales and support but not showing the seriousness on your side of the table.
The pace of early and midseason firings has accelerated, but we are talking just 10 coaches and yes sometimes with unique circumstances. I am not seeing any late season firings. With most teams being in the last one-third of their regular season, it is now late season, and I have not seen any other head coaches being hired.
Most "experts" are predicting there will be a much bigger changes in coaching staff than normal coaching carousel period, which means more opportunities to build a better coaching staff.
It seems to me the only real benefit for replacing Wilcox is the emotional temperament of some of the fan base, which often changes with game to game outcomes. If Wilcox wins eight or nine games (one of which is Big Game) a lot of the fan base will demand he be retained.
this post didn't date well. Bryan Kelly just got canned at LSU. This is going to be a crazy December.
We can now add Hugh Freeze to the list.
So all thse programs try to placate the fans and we are not making any efforts to.
It goes back to the earlier point. If we already determined Wilcox is not the guy, why wait? What's the benefit? My biggest fear is that Ron is still debating whether Wilcox is the guy. That'd be scary
In typiCAL fashion, Ron will eventually get rid of Wilcox in January after all the coaches are snatched up and we are forced to pick a coach that has been unemployed for two years
TedfordTheGreat said:
I know, yet another useless thread rehashing the same thing. But on this solemn saturday where our bears are not playing and we are seeing Indiana and Mendoza head one step closer to ranked #1 and a heisman award, I need something to do.I just want to spitball with yall and so let's make a pros and cons list for acting now vs later. Here is what I am thinking.
Pros:
* Get a head start at the coaching carousel
* Signal to other coaching candidates that we take football seriously and losing is not acceptable
* The contract is already guaranteed to him, no cost saving firing him later
* We can test out Rolo or Harsin or anyone else on staff we want for "free" and see if they can do something with it
* Show JKS that we do not accept losing as an answer and that Ron is here to make BIG changes
* Ron can step in and coach the team and be a GM/coach and see if college coaching is something he wants/likes to do
Cons:
* We "salvage the season" with continuity so we have a better shot at the big game? Though this is not even for certain
I really cannot think of 1 single cons and 1 single reason not to fire him today or tomorrow. UNLESS Ron thinks that Wilcox should still be our coach October 2026. And if that is the case, I am out
You all are more plugged in and more creative than I am. What is a good cons to firing him tomorrow?
TedfordTheGreat said:TedfordTheGreat said:
I know, yet another useless thread rehashing the same thing. But on this solemn saturday where our bears are not playing and we are seeing Indiana and Mendoza head one step closer to ranked #1 and a heisman award, I need something to do.I just want to spitball with yall and so let's make a pros and cons list for acting now vs later. Here is what I am thinking.
Pros:
* Get a head start at the coaching carousel
* Signal to other coaching candidates that we take football seriously and losing is not acceptable
* The contract is already guaranteed to him, no cost saving firing him later
* We can test out Rolo or Harsin or anyone else on staff we want for "free" and see if they can do something with it
* Show JKS that we do not accept losing as an answer and that Ron is here to make BIG changes
* Ron can step in and coach the team and be a GM/coach and see if college coaching is something he wants/likes to do
Cons:
* We "salvage the season" with continuity so we have a better shot at the big game? Though this is not even for certain
I really cannot think of 1 single cons and 1 single reason not to fire him today or tomorrow. UNLESS Ron thinks that Wilcox should still be our coach October 2026. And if that is the case, I am out
You all are more plugged in and more creative than I am. What is a good cons to firing him tomorrow?
Rehashing this thread. All the pros was there for the taking. Couldn't think of a Cons except for trying to win the big game. But of course that didn't happen. not surprising one bit.
WIAF brought up the only good point which is opening up the portal. Now that we are 1 game from the end of the season, the portal opens anyways, so that point is gone too.
I hope we fire him tomorrow. I can not think of 1 single reason not to.
Reference Point: Vtech took the pros list (prob same points as us) and said let's do it and ended up ahead
BearlyCareAnymore said:TedfordTheGreat said:TedfordTheGreat said:
I know, yet another useless thread rehashing the same thing. But on this solemn saturday where our bears are not playing and we are seeing Indiana and Mendoza head one step closer to ranked #1 and a heisman award, I need something to do.I just want to spitball with yall and so let's make a pros and cons list for acting now vs later. Here is what I am thinking.
Pros:
* Get a head start at the coaching carousel
* Signal to other coaching candidates that we take football seriously and losing is not acceptable
* The contract is already guaranteed to him, no cost saving firing him later
* We can test out Rolo or Harsin or anyone else on staff we want for "free" and see if they can do something with it
* Show JKS that we do not accept losing as an answer and that Ron is here to make BIG changes
* Ron can step in and coach the team and be a GM/coach and see if college coaching is something he wants/likes to do
Cons:
* We "salvage the season" with continuity so we have a better shot at the big game? Though this is not even for certain
I really cannot think of 1 single cons and 1 single reason not to fire him today or tomorrow. UNLESS Ron thinks that Wilcox should still be our coach October 2026. And if that is the case, I am out
You all are more plugged in and more creative than I am. What is a good cons to firing him tomorrow?
Rehashing this thread. All the pros was there for the taking. Couldn't think of a Cons except for trying to win the big game. But of course that didn't happen. not surprising one bit.
WIAF brought up the only good point which is opening up the portal. Now that we are 1 game from the end of the season, the portal opens anyways, so that point is gone too.
I hope we fire him tomorrow. I can not think of 1 single reason not to.
Reference Point: Vtech took the pros list (prob same points as us) and said let's do it and ended up ahead
He should have been fired after SDSU
BearlyCareAnymore said:TedfordTheGreat said:TedfordTheGreat said:
I know, yet another useless thread rehashing the same thing. But on this solemn saturday where our bears are not playing and we are seeing Indiana and Mendoza head one step closer to ranked #1 and a heisman award, I need something to do.I just want to spitball with yall and so let's make a pros and cons list for acting now vs later. Here is what I am thinking.
Pros:
* Get a head start at the coaching carousel
* Signal to other coaching candidates that we take football seriously and losing is not acceptable
* The contract is already guaranteed to him, no cost saving firing him later
* We can test out Rolo or Harsin or anyone else on staff we want for "free" and see if they can do something with it
* Show JKS that we do not accept losing as an answer and that Ron is here to make BIG changes
* Ron can step in and coach the team and be a GM/coach and see if college coaching is something he wants/likes to do
Cons:
* We "salvage the season" with continuity so we have a better shot at the big game? Though this is not even for certain
I really cannot think of 1 single cons and 1 single reason not to fire him today or tomorrow. UNLESS Ron thinks that Wilcox should still be our coach October 2026. And if that is the case, I am out
You all are more plugged in and more creative than I am. What is a good cons to firing him tomorrow?
Rehashing this thread. All the pros was there for the taking. Couldn't think of a Cons except for trying to win the big game. But of course that didn't happen. not surprising one bit.
WIAF brought up the only good point which is opening up the portal. Now that we are 1 game from the end of the season, the portal opens anyways, so that point is gone too.
I hope we fire him tomorrow. I can not think of 1 single reason not to.
Reference Point: Vtech took the pros list (prob same points as us) and said let's do it and ended up ahead
He should have been fired after SDSU
BearlyCareAnymore said:TedfordTheGreat said:TedfordTheGreat said:
I know, yet another useless thread rehashing the same thing. But on this solemn saturday where our bears are not playing and we are seeing Indiana and Mendoza head one step closer to ranked #1 and a heisman award, I need something to do.I just want to spitball with yall and so let's make a pros and cons list for acting now vs later. Here is what I am thinking.
Pros:
* Get a head start at the coaching carousel
* Signal to other coaching candidates that we take football seriously and losing is not acceptable
* The contract is already guaranteed to him, no cost saving firing him later
* We can test out Rolo or Harsin or anyone else on staff we want for "free" and see if they can do something with it
* Show JKS that we do not accept losing as an answer and that Ron is here to make BIG changes
* Ron can step in and coach the team and be a GM/coach and see if college coaching is something he wants/likes to do
Cons:
* We "salvage the season" with continuity so we have a better shot at the big game? Though this is not even for certain
I really cannot think of 1 single cons and 1 single reason not to fire him today or tomorrow. UNLESS Ron thinks that Wilcox should still be our coach October 2026. And if that is the case, I am out
You all are more plugged in and more creative than I am. What is a good cons to firing him tomorrow?
Rehashing this thread. All the pros was there for the taking. Couldn't think of a Cons except for trying to win the big game. But of course that didn't happen. not surprising one bit.
WIAF brought up the only good point which is opening up the portal. Now that we are 1 game from the end of the season, the portal opens anyways, so that point is gone too.
I hope we fire him tomorrow. I can not think of 1 single reason not to.
Reference Point: Vtech took the pros list (prob same points as us) and said let's do it and ended up ahead
He should have been fired after SDSU
pingpong2 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:TedfordTheGreat said:TedfordTheGreat said:
I know, yet another useless thread rehashing the same thing. But on this solemn saturday where our bears are not playing and we are seeing Indiana and Mendoza head one step closer to ranked #1 and a heisman award, I need something to do.I just want to spitball with yall and so let's make a pros and cons list for acting now vs later. Here is what I am thinking.
Pros:
* Get a head start at the coaching carousel
* Signal to other coaching candidates that we take football seriously and losing is not acceptable
* The contract is already guaranteed to him, no cost saving firing him later
* We can test out Rolo or Harsin or anyone else on staff we want for "free" and see if they can do something with it
* Show JKS that we do not accept losing as an answer and that Ron is here to make BIG changes
* Ron can step in and coach the team and be a GM/coach and see if college coaching is something he wants/likes to do
Cons:
* We "salvage the season" with continuity so we have a better shot at the big game? Though this is not even for certain
I really cannot think of 1 single cons and 1 single reason not to fire him today or tomorrow. UNLESS Ron thinks that Wilcox should still be our coach October 2026. And if that is the case, I am out
You all are more plugged in and more creative than I am. What is a good cons to firing him tomorrow?
Rehashing this thread. All the pros was there for the taking. Couldn't think of a Cons except for trying to win the big game. But of course that didn't happen. not surprising one bit.
WIAF brought up the only good point which is opening up the portal. Now that we are 1 game from the end of the season, the portal opens anyways, so that point is gone too.
I hope we fire him tomorrow. I can not think of 1 single reason not to.
Reference Point: Vtech took the pros list (prob same points as us) and said let's do it and ended up ahead
He should have been fired after SDSU
He should have been fired after that CU debacle in 2022, and many times thereafter. I've been on the Fire Wilcox train since 2022, and every year I've been heartbroken to see that he's still here, resigning the team and fans to more 6-6 seasons filled with a random upset but also a couple absolute faceplants against bad teams.
wifeisafurd said:TedfordTheGreat said:
I know, yet another useless thread rehashing the same thing. But on this solemn saturday where our bears are not playing and we are seeing Indiana and Mendoza head one step closer to ranked #1 and a heisman award, I need something to do.I just want to spitball with yall and so let's make a pros and cons list for acting now vs later. Here is what I am thinking.
Pros:
* Get a head start at the coaching carousel
* Signal to other coaching candidates that we take football seriously and losing is not acceptable
* The contract is already guaranteed to him, no cost saving firing him later
* We can test out Rolo or Harsin or anyone else on staff we want for "free" and see if they can do something with it
* Show JKS that we do not accept losing as an answer and that Ron is here to make BIG changes
* Ron can step in and coach the team and be a GM/coach and see if college coaching is something he wants/likes to do
Cons:
* We "salvage the season" with continuity so we have a better shot at the big game? Though this is not even for certain
I really cannot think of 1 single cons and 1 single reason not to fire him today or tomorrow. UNLESS Ron thinks that Wilcox should still be our coach October 2026. And if that is the case, I am out
You all are more plugged in and more creative than I am. What is a good cons to firing him tomorrow?
No one hires new head coaches this time of year so let me try a rebuttal:
Let's get a few things out of way:
1. Ron is not stepping in as the coach. The head coach really is a full time job, and to be fair to the players, it should be. The GM really does have a defined role which is really is like being an AD. He has to fundraise, attend stuff the JK normally would, handle the media, meet with administrators, direct marketing, handle TV and sponsors, and a lot other stuff. He doesn't have time to be a head football coach. He also under this scenario has to spend the time to hire a new coach while he is coaching. How does this make any sense?
2) Wilcox's salary and buy out come from different financial sources. Cal has formal commitments on funding Wilcox's salary from donors and the school in place. Most donors don't want their money used for getting rid of a coach. Who knows what commitments, if any, Cal has on paying Wilcox's buy-out and the amount of those commitments. They may need to get his buy-out down to the post-season level.
3) There is no head start on the coaching carousal that depends on firing Wilcox right now. RR has lead time to engage the Chancellor, donors, the UC President, and other stakeholders, and otherwise get his ducks in a row, without formally firing Wilcox, if he is even firing Wilcox as season end. There are reasons new coaches don't get hired during the season. Most likely anyone RR wants as the new head coach is coaching presently and won't be available until season end. Making a formal offer to the coaching candidate or even tampering with working coaches has all sorts of legal and NCAA consequences. There are ways too determine interest through agents and search firms, but none of it involves hiring or even firing Wilcox. I suppose Cal could approach a retread, but just hiring someone with a contract approved by the Regents will take most of the remaining season. None of this really makes sense.
4) Early December is the active period for coaching movement, both firing and hirings for good reasons. There is the greater selection with all the coaches that become available at the end of the season when the coaching carousal starts because coaches are also then being hired (carousals go up and down). There are two dates that now loom large for athletic directors for when to hire coaches, which are the early signing period for recruiting and the opening of the transfer portal.
5) A coaching move is not salvaging the season. I get firing coaches early or even mid-season if the team is headed in the wrong direction, in order to try to save the season. At this late point in the season, I don't see the point of terminating Wilcox with so few games remaining. Anyone elevated to interim head coach is going to run the same schemes, and not be able to do that much else. And the team's skill level with injuries is what it currently is. Nor do I understand why Ron would want to be boxed in by naming Harsin as opposed to Rolo as head coach or vice versa.
So the cons after all this:
1) You open up an additional Portal period for players to leave.
2) You could have a net negative impact on morale and player perspective. Just look at the Cal running backs room last year when their coach was fired. Wilcox is popular with the players by and large.
3) This makes no sense if RR has not yet determined if Wilcox is leaving.
4) You don't know if you have money to pay the existing buy-out
5) The players and assistants still on staff have to pick up the pieces and finish out the season, and there is a coaching talent loss on the defense if Wilcox leaves. Cal could be worse.
6) The next coach probably requires a greater buyout if Cal is thought to now have a quick hook under RR
The pros are:
1) You can try out Harsin or Rolo, but I question how much of a pro that is really. Does the loser in that selection leave?
2) You can demonstrate things to JSK, and my response to that is I think what he really wants to see are NIL, better blocking and better receivers, all of which is happening after the season.
3) Purportedly signaling to prospective coaches that Cal mean business by firing the existing coach during the season. How is when Wilcox is fired really a factor in any prospective coach's decision process? For a moment, think about what coaches really want to see:
a) Supportive college President and AD (check)
b) Large NIL purse (House and outside collective) (check)
c) Good facilities (check)
d) Good QB and key players (working on it)
d) Good coaching salaries, especially in a high cost of living area (working on it)
e) Engaged fan base (not presently, but RR is working on it)
Now offset that against a coach wondering if his program is going to be relegated to playing at a non-power conference level. Just that eliminates a lot of the desired coaching pool to complicate things further by firing Wilcox at an unconventional time.
