ac_green33 said:
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
Golden One said:ac_green33 said:
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
LOL!! That's funny as hell. I can't imagine any P4 school hiring him as head coach. His resume as a head coach is a complete disaster.
sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
DoubtfulBear said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
oski003 said:DoubtfulBear said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
Nah, it has a lot to do with the past success of our coaches after they left Cal.
82gradDLSdad said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
Sad, not fascinating. It shows Cal's football reputation nationally.
sycasey said:
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
sycasey said:oski003 said:DoubtfulBear said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
Nah, it has a lot to do with the past success of our coaches after they left Cal.
Is there anyone besides Sonny Dykes you could say this for?
oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:DoubtfulBear said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
Nah, it has a lot to do with the past success of our coaches after they left Cal.
Is there anyone besides Sonny Dykes you could say this for?
Tedford. Snyder. Mooch. Holmoe as an AD. Dykes of course. It isn't like there are many recent coaches to choose from. 5 of our last 6 did better elsewhere. I am counting Mooch solely because he was hired to be an NFL head coach just for going 6-6 at Cal.
sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:DoubtfulBear said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
Nah, it has a lot to do with the past success of our coaches after they left Cal.
Is there anyone besides Sonny Dykes you could say this for?
Tedford. Snyder. Mooch. Holmoe as an AD. Dykes of course. It isn't like there are many recent coaches to choose from. 5 of our last 6 did better elsewhere. I am counting Mooch solely because he was hired to be an NFL head coach just for going 6-6 at Cal.
There's no reason to count Mooch, that guy had no track record at Cal. Holmoe? Come on. Apples to oranges.
How was Tedford "better" after leaving Cal? Is winning at Fresno State actually better?
oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:DoubtfulBear said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
Nah, it has a lot to do with the past success of our coaches after they left Cal.
Is there anyone besides Sonny Dykes you could say this for?
Tedford. Snyder. Mooch. Holmoe as an AD. Dykes of course. It isn't like there are many recent coaches to choose from. 5 of our last 6 did better elsewhere. I am counting Mooch solely because he was hired to be an NFL head coach just for going 6-6 at Cal.
There's no reason to count Mooch, that guy had no track record at Cal. Holmoe? Come on. Apples to oranges.
How was Tedford "better" after leaving Cal? Is winning at Fresno State actually better?
Mooch went 6-6 at Cal and then got hired to coach the 49ers. Tedford, after 15-22 his last three seasons at Cal, took a 1-11 Fresno St. team to 10-4 and then 12-2. Holmoe's time at BYU has been an astounding success in football and other sports. Yup, 5 of the last 6 Cal football coaches kicked butt at their next stop and the last two were fired. The last fired coach went on to be College Football's Coach of the Year!!!!!
calumnus said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:DoubtfulBear said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
Nah, it has a lot to do with the past success of our coaches after they left Cal.
Is there anyone besides Sonny Dykes you could say this for?
Tedford. Snyder. Mooch. Holmoe as an AD. Dykes of course. It isn't like there are many recent coaches to choose from. 5 of our last 6 did better elsewhere. I am counting Mooch solely because he was hired to be an NFL head coach just for going 6-6 at Cal.
There's no reason to count Mooch, that guy had no track record at Cal. Holmoe? Come on. Apples to oranges.
How was Tedford "better" after leaving Cal? Is winning at Fresno State actually better?
Mooch went 6-6 at Cal and then got hired to coach the 49ers. Tedford, after 15-22 his last three seasons at Cal, took a 1-11 Fresno St. team to 10-4 and then 12-2. Holmoe's time at BYU has been an astounding success in football and other sports. Yup, 5 of the last 6 Cal football coaches kicked butt at their next stop and the last two were fired. The last fired coach went on to be College Football's Coach of the Year!!!!!
Going further back there is Mike White and Marv Levy.
Then there is Gilby. Watching him destroy UW was glorious.
oski003 said:calumnus said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:DoubtfulBear said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
Nah, it has a lot to do with the past success of our coaches after they left Cal.
Is there anyone besides Sonny Dykes you could say this for?
Tedford. Snyder. Mooch. Holmoe as an AD. Dykes of course. It isn't like there are many recent coaches to choose from. 5 of our last 6 did better elsewhere. I am counting Mooch solely because he was hired to be an NFL head coach just for going 6-6 at Cal.
There's no reason to count Mooch, that guy had no track record at Cal. Holmoe? Come on. Apples to oranges.
How was Tedford "better" after leaving Cal? Is winning at Fresno State actually better?
Mooch went 6-6 at Cal and then got hired to coach the 49ers. Tedford, after 15-22 his last three seasons at Cal, took a 1-11 Fresno St. team to 10-4 and then 12-2. Holmoe's time at BYU has been an astounding success in football and other sports. Yup, 5 of the last 6 Cal football coaches kicked butt at their next stop and the last two were fired. The last fired coach went on to be College Football's Coach of the Year!!!!!
Going further back there is Mike White and Marv Levy.
Then there is Gilby. Watching him destroy UW was glorious.
Frankly, the perception, which is VERY REAL, is driven mainly from our last two coaches. No need to go back past them. I was just answering a question.
sycasey said:oski003 said:calumnus said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:DoubtfulBear said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
Nah, it has a lot to do with the past success of our coaches after they left Cal.
Is there anyone besides Sonny Dykes you could say this for?
Tedford. Snyder. Mooch. Holmoe as an AD. Dykes of course. It isn't like there are many recent coaches to choose from. 5 of our last 6 did better elsewhere. I am counting Mooch solely because he was hired to be an NFL head coach just for going 6-6 at Cal.
There's no reason to count Mooch, that guy had no track record at Cal. Holmoe? Come on. Apples to oranges.
How was Tedford "better" after leaving Cal? Is winning at Fresno State actually better?
Mooch went 6-6 at Cal and then got hired to coach the 49ers. Tedford, after 15-22 his last three seasons at Cal, took a 1-11 Fresno St. team to 10-4 and then 12-2. Holmoe's time at BYU has been an astounding success in football and other sports. Yup, 5 of the last 6 Cal football coaches kicked butt at their next stop and the last two were fired. The last fired coach went on to be College Football's Coach of the Year!!!!!
Going further back there is Mike White and Marv Levy.
Then there is Gilby. Watching him destroy UW was glorious.
Frankly, the perception, which is VERY REAL, is driven mainly from our last two coaches. No need to go back past them. I was just answering a question.
I will accept the point for Dykes. Tedford bounced around with health issues before finally landing at a lower-level school in Fresno and doing well (before health issues pushed him out again). I don't think you can put that on Cal.
oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:calumnus said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:DoubtfulBear said:sycasey said:ac_green33 said:
Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
Nah, it has a lot to do with the past success of our coaches after they left Cal.
Is there anyone besides Sonny Dykes you could say this for?
Tedford. Snyder. Mooch. Holmoe as an AD. Dykes of course. It isn't like there are many recent coaches to choose from. 5 of our last 6 did better elsewhere. I am counting Mooch solely because he was hired to be an NFL head coach just for going 6-6 at Cal.
There's no reason to count Mooch, that guy had no track record at Cal. Holmoe? Come on. Apples to oranges.
How was Tedford "better" after leaving Cal? Is winning at Fresno State actually better?
Mooch went 6-6 at Cal and then got hired to coach the 49ers. Tedford, after 15-22 his last three seasons at Cal, took a 1-11 Fresno St. team to 10-4 and then 12-2. Holmoe's time at BYU has been an astounding success in football and other sports. Yup, 5 of the last 6 Cal football coaches kicked butt at their next stop and the last two were fired. The last fired coach went on to be College Football's Coach of the Year!!!!!
Going further back there is Mike White and Marv Levy.
Then there is Gilby. Watching him destroy UW was glorious.
Frankly, the perception, which is VERY REAL, is driven mainly from our last two coaches. No need to go back past them. I was just answering a question.
I will accept the point for Dykes. Tedford bounced around with health issues before finally landing at a lower-level school in Fresno and doing well (before health issues pushed him out again). I don't think you can put that on Cal.
There is a VERY REAL perception that Cal wouldn't have flamed out like he did if he was at a blue blood -- that he was an exceptional coach who got swallowed by Cal. For example, Tedford wouldn't have had to deal with professors failing players at other places.
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Here is a national media perspective from another article in The Athletic, about the coaching carousel. And PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, im just sharing!Quote:
Eight Power 4 jobs are open right now. Seven are up for grabs because of in-season firings, and one will be because Stanford is doing the Frank Reich thing for a year. More are coming, perhaps some or all of these five among them: Auburn, Kentucky, Florida State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.Quote:
Sitting Power 4 head coaches who may be enticed to move: Kiffin, Arizona State's Kenny Dillingham, Cal's Justin Wilcox, Cincinnati's Scott Satterfield, Duke's Manny Diaz, Georgia Tech's Brent Key, Houston's Willie Fritz, Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Louisville's Jeff Brohm, Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz, Nebraska's Matt Rhule, SMU's Rhett Lashlee, Vanderbilt's Clark Lea, Washington's Jedd Fisch
It's interesting to see that national media not only doesn't see Wilcox as a firing candidate, but also thinks that he is in the caliber of coach that can leave on his own volition to another P4 job.
I got absolutely killed in another thread for suggesting that Wilcox still has a good reputation in the broader CFB world (and he shouldn't!) but I think it's the case.
It's so fascinating to me that Wilcox has managed to maintain some of this reputation within national media. Do they not look at the records? That he hasn't had a winning season in 5 years? I know there's an idea (somewhat deserved) that Cal makes it hard to win, but if there is supposed to be market for a coach shouldn't he have to actually show he's a winner?
They could care less about our record. They see a guy that has been a P4 HC for 9 seasons and figure that he is a good enough candidate for some other mediocre P4 program
Nah, it has a lot to do with the past success of our coaches after they left Cal.
Is there anyone besides Sonny Dykes you could say this for?
Tedford. Snyder. Mooch. Holmoe as an AD. Dykes of course. It isn't like there are many recent coaches to choose from. 5 of our last 6 did better elsewhere. I am counting Mooch solely because he was hired to be an NFL head coach just for going 6-6 at Cal.
There's no reason to count Mooch, that guy had no track record at Cal. Holmoe? Come on. Apples to oranges.
How was Tedford "better" after leaving Cal? Is winning at Fresno State actually better?
Mooch went 6-6 at Cal and then got hired to coach the 49ers. Tedford, after 15-22 his last three seasons at Cal, took a 1-11 Fresno St. team to 10-4 and then 12-2. Holmoe's time at BYU has been an astounding success in football and other sports. Yup, 5 of the last 6 Cal football coaches kicked butt at their next stop and the last two were fired. The last fired coach went on to be College Football's Coach of the Year!!!!!
Going further back there is Mike White and Marv Levy.
Then there is Gilby. Watching him destroy UW was glorious.
Frankly, the perception, which is VERY REAL, is driven mainly from our last two coaches. No need to go back past them. I was just answering a question.
I will accept the point for Dykes. Tedford bounced around with health issues before finally landing at a lower-level school in Fresno and doing well (before health issues pushed him out again). I don't think you can put that on Cal.
There is a VERY REAL perception that Cal wouldn't have flamed out like he did if he was at a blue blood -- that he was an exceptional coach who got swallowed by Cal. For example, Tedford wouldn't have had to deal with professors failing players at other places.
jy1988 said:
In retrospect, Snyder was the best Cal coach in the last 50 years. A good fit for Cal, and a good coach. We can thank that A**hat Bockrath for messing up what probably would have been a great ten-year run.
jy1988 said:
In retrospect, Snyder was the best Cal coach in the last 50 years. A good fit for Cal, and a good coach. We can thank that A**hat Bockrath for messing up what probably would have been a great ten-year run.
Alkiadt said:jy1988 said:
In retrospect, Snyder was the best Cal coach in the last 50 years. A good fit for Cal, and a good coach. We can thank that A**hat Bockrath for messing up what probably would have been a great ten-year run.
Tien made that call.
Bockrath was following orders. Tien felt Cal could get anyone to coach, and he was never going to pay Bruce $350k. Another example of a Cal chancellor making a boneheaded decision.
Alkiadt said:jy1988 said:
In retrospect, Snyder was the best Cal coach in the last 50 years. A good fit for Cal, and a good coach. We can thank that A**hat Bockrath for messing up what probably would have been a great ten-year run.
Tien made that call.
Bockrath was following orders. Tien felt Cal could get anyone to coach, and he was never going to pay Bruce $350k. Another example of a Cal chancellor making a boneheaded decision.
