Cal is #135 out of 136 schools in rushing

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calumnus
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At 78.6 yards per game. Only New Mexico State is worse.

Our 2.6 yards per carry puts us at #134 (of 136) just above Stanford (2.5) and New Mexico State (2.4) .

This may be the worst Cal has been at running the ball… ever?

6 of 9 years under Wilcox we have been ranked worse than #100 in rushing. Next to this year the worst was 2022 when we were #122. In 2017, we were #109 despite Patrick Laird. The only decent year was 2023 when we were #46 with Spavital getting Ott out in space and he lead the Pac-12 in rushing.

This lack of a rushing threat puts tremendous pressure on Sagapolutele, especially with our lack of speed and depth at WR combined with all the drops and inability to contest for 50-50 balls.
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Yep, this is our number one problem by far, much bigger than the dropped balls. If you can't run the ball, not even Peyton Manning would have success.
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Weird because I don't see our rushing game as the problem for us. We just don't have enough running backs is the issue imho. Our starter has been fairly effective in what we're asking him to do. He's just not a bursty running back that can take it the distance, he's a guy that will find the hole and get you 3 or 4, sometimes bang out a 8-10 yard run. He just can't take 25-30 carries a game, doesn't have the body for that much. If we had another back that could do what he does, our running game would be pretty good.
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MinotStateBeav said:

Weird because I don't see our rushing game as the problem for us. We just don't have enough running backs is the issue imho. Our starter has been fairly effective in what we're asking him to do. He's just not a bursty running back that can take it the distance, he's a guy that will find the hole and get you 3 or 4, sometimes bang out a 8-10 yard run. He just can't take 25-30 carries a game, doesn't have the body for that much. If we had another back that could do what he does, our running game would be pretty good.

Well most likely still worse than #100, like 6 of 9 rushing offenses have been under Wilcox, but at least not 2nd worst in the country. With the exception of 2 years ago with Spavital, Ott and The Jet, I think we have just gotten used to it.

Bad when you have the 2nd worst rushing attack in the country and there can be a serious debate on which of our position groups on offense is the weakest: WR, RB or OL.
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MinotStateBeav said:

Weird because I don't see our rushing game as the problem for us. We just don't have enough running backs is the issue imho. Our starter has been fairly effective in what we're asking him to do. He's just not a bursty running back that can take it the distance, he's a guy that will find the hole and get you 3 or 4, sometimes bang out a 8-10 yard run. He just can't take 25-30 carries a game, doesn't have the body for that much. If we had another back that could do what he does, our running game would be pretty good.

All you do is make excuses. It's insane.There have been 12 RBs in the last TEN YEARS who carried the ball more than 25 time a game. You straight up don't know football.
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We seem to throw a lot more on first and second down that we used to, even when running seems to be working. This is a bit skewed.
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ducktilldeath said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Weird because I don't see our rushing game as the problem for us. We just don't have enough running backs is the issue imho. Our starter has been fairly effective in what we're asking him to do. He's just not a bursty running back that can take it the distance, he's a guy that will find the hole and get you 3 or 4, sometimes bang out a 8-10 yard run. He just can't take 25-30 carries a game, doesn't have the body for that much. If we had another back that could do what he does, our running game would be pretty good.

All you do is make excuses. It's insane.There have been 12 RBs in the last TEN YEARS who carried the ball more than 25 time a game. You straight up don't know football.

Take your rude reply and shove it up your a**. Go head back to you phil knight vietnamese child labor shoe factory board. I said using 2 backs to make up 25-30 carries/game is very reasonable. You questioning my football knowledge based on what I wrote is weird.
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Maybe if we also hired Hugh Freeze as the third offensive mind, we could move up to #133
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calumnus said:

At 78.6 yards per game. Only New Mexico State is worse.

Our 2.6 yards per carry puts us at #134 (of 136) just above Stanford (2.5) and New Mexico State (2.4) .

This may be the worst Cal has been at running the ball… ever?

6 of 9 years under Wilcox we have been ranked worse than #100 in rushing. Next to this year the worst was 2022 when we were #122. In 2017, we were #109 despite Patrick Laird. The only decent year was 2023 when we were #46 with Spavital getting Ott out in space and he lead the Pac-12 in rushing.

This lack of a rushing threat puts tremendous pressure on Sagapolutele, especially with our lack of speed and depth at WR combined with all the drops and inability to contest for 50-50 balls.


I'm an avid reader of this board, so I know that our OL portal class was really big and really big means really good and that when we lost the entire RB room it was okay because we didn't want them anyway and our replacements are all better.

So I'm assuming calumnus that this must be one of those stats where higher is better? So congrats to Wilcox for putting together the second best running game in the country. I know if Wilcox really applies himself, we can move our ranking up to #136.
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MinotStateBeav said:

Weird because I don't see our rushing game as the problem for us. We just don't have enough running backs is the issue imho. Our starter has been fairly effective in what we're asking him to do. He's just not a bursty running back that can take it the distance, he's a guy that will find the hole and get you 3 or 4, sometimes bang out a 8-10 yard run. He just can't take 25-30 carries a game, doesn't have the body for that much. If we had another back that could do what he does, our running game would be pretty good.


We are actually dead last in yards per carry. A tiny bit skewed by the fact that JKS doesn't really run and his sack numbers count toward rushing (but that is an issue for everyone). But our top RB yards per carry isn't good either.

No, our running game is terrible by any measure.
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But the new strength coach hire was a revelation.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:


We are actually dead last in yards per carry. A tiny bit skewed by the fact that JKS doesn't really run and his sack numbers count toward rushing (but that is an issue for everyone). But our top RB yards per carry isn't good either.

No, our running game is terrible by any measure.

According to the Cal record book, the last time the Bears had < 25 yards total rushing was 2022 when we had 9 yards against Oregon State.

We topped that on Saturday with our 8 yards rushing. Of course, JKS had -42 by himself.

(The all time worst rushing performance was -77 vs Missouri in 1972.)

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Weird because I don't see our rushing game as the problem for us. We just don't have enough running backs is the issue imho. Our starter has been fairly effective in what we're asking him to do. He's just not a bursty running back that can take it the distance, he's a guy that will find the hole and get you 3 or 4, sometimes bang out a 8-10 yard run. He just can't take 25-30 carries a game, doesn't have the body for that much. If we had another back that could do what he does, our running game would be pretty good.


We are actually dead last in yards per carry. A tiny bit skewed by the fact that JKS doesn't really run and his sack numbers count toward rushing (but that is an issue for everyone). But our top RB yards per carry isn't good either.

No, our running game is terrible by any measure.


Our running game is getting what it's built to get though, we don't have a speed back, we have a back that gets 2-4 yards a carry. Tbh we only have 1 back we're using as well (well except for that new guy that's being used the last game or 2 a few carries.) I don't mean to say our running game is good, I mean it's getting all that its capable of getting considering the way we use it and the personnel. Taking that into account, our offense is pretty dependent on throwing the ball, so our lack of WR speed seems to be the most glaring weakness.
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MinotStateBeav said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Weird because I don't see our rushing game as the problem for us. We just don't have enough running backs is the issue imho. Our starter has been fairly effective in what we're asking him to do. He's just not a bursty running back that can take it the distance, he's a guy that will find the hole and get you 3 or 4, sometimes bang out a 8-10 yard run. He just can't take 25-30 carries a game, doesn't have the body for that much. If we had another back that could do what he does, our running game would be pretty good.


We are actually dead last in yards per carry. A tiny bit skewed by the fact that JKS doesn't really run and his sack numbers count toward rushing (but that is an issue for everyone). But our top RB yards per carry isn't good either.

No, our running game is terrible by any measure.


Our running game is getting what it's built to get though, we don't have a speed back, we have a back that gets 2-4 yards a carry. Tbh we only have 1 back we're using as well (well except for that new guy that's being used the last game or 2 a few carries.) I don't mean to say our running game is good, I mean it's getting all that its capable of getting considering the way we use it and the personnel. Taking that into account, our offense is pretty dependent on throwing the ball, so our lack of WR speed seems to be the most glaring weakness.

You seem to be saying we have a RB who can only get 4 yards per carry so its okay we only get 4 yards a carry. If the O is only designed to get 4 yards a carry, that is a poorly designed O. This isn't the NFL where that is good. And, I disagree with the concept. Tedford's running game was largely power running between the tackles and we were getting twice the yards per carry or more. We don't run that often because we can't.

And I know, Tedford had a great O-line and we have a bad O-line. Tedford had guys like Marshawn, and we...don't. I don't expect us to match that, but that is why Tedford had a good running game where the O-line pushed people off the line and the RB's hit the hole fast and broke tackles and got yards after contact and we have a bad running game where the O-line gets no push, no holes are created, and our RB hits contact and maybe falls forward for an extra half yard with virtually no yards after contact. Nobody builds a running game to be last in the country in yards per carry. And, if it is purpose built to be last in the country, well, it is purpose built to be a very bad running game. Therefore, it is still a terrible running game.

I would suggest this to you. Your opinion is driven more by the fact that you correctly deduce that our running game has a very low ceiling, so you don't expect much from it. You correctly deduce that our running game isn't going to dramatically alter the fortunes of our offense. You correctly deduce that the passing game has a higher ceiling and therefore feel it is "the problem". I would argue that they are both "the problem" and the running game is clearly tragically worse than the passing game. That the fact that you don't expect much from it is mirrored by the fact that our opponents don't expect much from it either and key pass. They know that if Cal is going to beat them, it will be JKS that does it. Our running game being so ineffective kneecaps the passing game.

In other words, meeting expectations doesn't mean it is doing its job when your expectations are last in the country.
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JSC 76 said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:


We are actually dead last in yards per carry. A tiny bit skewed by the fact that JKS doesn't really run and his sack numbers count toward rushing (but that is an issue for everyone). But our top RB yards per carry isn't good either.

No, our running game is terrible by any measure.

According to the Cal record book, the last time the Bears had < 25 yards total rushing was 2022 when we had 9 yards against Oregon State.

We topped that on Saturday with our 8 yards rushing. Of course, JKS had -42 by himself.

(The all time worst rushing performance was -77 vs Missouri in 1972.)



And the thing is, if I'm generous and strip out JKS yards here, the RB's still averaged less than 2.8 ypc. And that is generous because if I only eliminated the sacks and not JKS' runs, that drops to at best less than 2.3 ypc. (I'm attributing all JKS lost yards to sacks because otherwise I'd have to go through the entire play by play to find any runs he had for negative yards, so the ypc may be a little worse - I hate that college football counts sacks against rushing). And by the way, the average loss per sack in that game is tragic.
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bearsandgiants said:

We seem to throw a lot more on first and second down that we used to, even when running seems to be working. This is a bit skewed.

That is the one thing I like about Harsin as OC. There is absolutely no reason to always run on first down unless you are VT playing Cal, ie the other team can't stop you even if they know it is coming. Everyone else should keep the defense guessing.

That does not absolve him of destroying our offense coming in by chasing off our skill position coaches and players and delivering the #108 offense (#89 in scoring and #111 in yards per play). However, given the wreckage he's caused, he has done a good job with the scraps, a good skill to have in Boise playing in the MWC ten years ago, but a bad fit for Cal in the Portal era, even with the weak schedule we had this year.
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MinotStateBeav said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Weird because I don't see our rushing game as the problem for us. We just don't have enough running backs is the issue imho. Our starter has been fairly effective in what we're asking him to do. He's just not a bursty running back that can take it the distance, he's a guy that will find the hole and get you 3 or 4, sometimes bang out a 8-10 yard run. He just can't take 25-30 carries a game, doesn't have the body for that much. If we had another back that could do what he does, our running game would be pretty good.


We are actually dead last in yards per carry. A tiny bit skewed by the fact that JKS doesn't really run and his sack numbers count toward rushing (but that is an issue for everyone). But our top RB yards per carry isn't good either.

No, our running game is terrible by any measure.


Our running game is getting what it's built to get though, we don't have a speed back, we have a back that gets 2-4 yards a carry. Tbh we only have 1 back we're using as well (well except for that new guy that's being used the last game or 2 a few carries.) I don't mean to say our running game is good, I mean it's getting all that its capable of getting considering the way we use it and the personnel. Taking that into account, our offense is pretty dependent on throwing the ball, so our lack of WR speed seems to be the most glaring weakness.


I do agree that, as bad. as our running game is, one of, if not the worst in the country, we are worse at WR. If I could add one player from last year it would be Nyziah Hunter. Our passing game would improve exponentially.

Not sure a better RB, running behind this OL, makes us significantly better, and the Jet was my favorite player. Especially the way Bloesch and Harsin like to run their backs into the line. Rafael is adequate at that, with decent moves and toughness. BTW, the only game he had 25 carries was BC, which was by far his best, with the possible exception of FCS Texas Southen. In his other 7 games he is averaging 15 carries for 53 yards at 3.5 YPC. So fatigue is not an issue. It is speed/talent. But we are worse off at WR.
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Bottom 3 . . . So just like old times, a fight to stay out of the cellar. Imagine some here thought JW was bringing back old school ball control offense with a top run D. I'm sure hewill get it together at the end of his decade here. . .

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kinda stupid ****: how would nyziah hunter help the bears this season if wuz flunking out in berkeley?

gpa matters in the real world#
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Shocky1 said:

kinda stupid ****: how would nyziah hunter help the bears this season if wuz flunking out in berkeley?

gpa matters in the real world#

Shocky, my friend, no need to use insults.

First, I was talking about football and his skills at WR vs the guys we replaced him with. I think a top WR would help this team more than a top RB. That is the point. The whole thing is a hypothetical.

Second, if he "was flunking out," why was he eligible to play this season? The NCAA has rules regardless of what school you are at. If he was actually flunking out at Cal, he would not be eligible to play anywhere this season. How do you have access to his transcripts anyway?

If you are saying you know what his grades would have been if he had stayed at Cal, well no, you don't.
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MinotStateBeav said:

ducktilldeath said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Weird because I don't see our rushing game as the problem for us. We just don't have enough running backs is the issue imho. Our starter has been fairly effective in what we're asking him to do. He's just not a bursty running back that can take it the distance, he's a guy that will find the hole and get you 3 or 4, sometimes bang out a 8-10 yard run. He just can't take 25-30 carries a game, doesn't have the body for that much. If we had another back that could do what he does, our running game would be pretty good.

All you do is make excuses. It's insane.There have been 12 RBs in the last TEN YEARS who carried the ball more than 25 time a game. You straight up don't know football.

Take your rude reply and shove it up your a**. Go head back to you phil knight vietnamese child labor shoe factory board. I said using 2 backs to make up 25-30 carries/game is very reasonable. You questioning my football knowledge based on what I wrote is weird.

You said "he can't take 25-30 carries a game". Your own words are right there. This is idiocy.
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ducktilldeath said:

MinotStateBeav said:

ducktilldeath said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Weird because I don't see our rushing game as the problem for us. We just don't have enough running backs is the issue imho. Our starter has been fairly effective in what we're asking him to do. He's just not a bursty running back that can take it the distance, he's a guy that will find the hole and get you 3 or 4, sometimes bang out a 8-10 yard run. He just can't take 25-30 carries a game, doesn't have the body for that much. If we had another back that could do what he does, our running game would be pretty good.

All you do is make excuses. It's insane.There have been 12 RBs in the last TEN YEARS who carried the ball more than 25 time a game. You straight up don't know football.

Take your rude reply and shove it up your a**. Go head back to you phil knight vietnamese child labor shoe factory board. I said using 2 backs to make up 25-30 carries/game is very reasonable. You questioning my football knowledge based on what I wrote is weird.

You said "he can't take 25-30 carries a game". Your own words are right there. This is idiocy.

I'm not sure you know what you're arguing about.
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They all have better Monster threads
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calumnus said:

The only decent year was 2023 when we were #46 with Spavital getting Ott out in space and he lead the Pac-12 in rushing.

This part really sticks out to me. Why did Spavital leave? He was the only guy who seemed to get our offense going to a reasonable degree. It's not like he got offered an obviously better job at Baylor. And why did Wilcox then replace him with his own OL coach who then had to do two jobs?
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They apparently had a difference of opinion on offensive strategies.
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Bobodeluxe said:

They apparently had a difference of opinion on offensive strategies.

I think we didn't keep the guy with the right opinion.
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We haven't had decent offensive line play in years. It kills our running attack and rushes our quarterbacks. Mendoza probably wins the Heisman behind a stout offensive line at Indiana. Plummer looked much better at Louisville behind a decent line. Our entire running back room left the team through the portal. It's hard to showcase your skills when you either are tackled in the backfield or can't make it past the line.
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sycasey said:

calumnus said:

The only decent year was 2023 when we were #46 with Spavital getting Ott out in space and he lead the Pac-12 in rushing.

This part really sticks out to me. Why did Spavital leave? He was the only guy who seemed to get our offense going to a reasonable degree. It's not like he got offered an obviously better job at Baylor. And why did Wilcox then replace him with his own OL coach who then had to do two jobs?

If you look at the short incumbency of OC's and DC's under Wilcox, not to mention the position coach turnover, it seems like Wilcox is a very difficult guy to work for. Or maybe they didn't want to be tainted by his incompetence.
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Golden One said:

sycasey said:

calumnus said:

The only decent year was 2023 when we were #46 with Spavital getting Ott out in space and he lead the Pac-12 in rushing.

This part really sticks out to me. Why did Spavital leave? He was the only guy who seemed to get our offense going to a reasonable degree. It's not like he got offered an obviously better job at Baylor. And why did Wilcox then replace him with his own OL coach who then had to do two jobs?

If you look at the short incumbency of OC's and DC's under Wilcox, not to mention the position coach turnover, it seems like Wilcox is a very difficult guy to work for. Or maybe they didn't want to be tainted by his incompetence.

My theory is that Wilcox wants a conservative and low-scoring offense, because as a defensive guy he sees that as the way to win, and will eventually try to force his OCs into doing that for him. I'm not with the coaches, so I don't know what goes on with them, but the years of evidence (especially what happened with Spav) suggest to me that this is happening.
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sycasey said:

My theory is that Wilcox wants a conservative and low-scoring offense, because as a defensive guy he sees that as the way to win, and will eventually try to force his OCs into doing that for him.

Which begs the question--why would you hire an offensive coordinator who has a drastically different offensive philosophy than you do as head coach? Didn't Wilcox conduct an interview before making the hire? Again, it only speaks to his complete incompetence.
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Bobodeluxe said:

They apparently had a difference of opinion on offensive strategies.


If any of you have ever supervised people, sometimes hard decisions need to be made in the best interest of the organization, and more importantly, as well as the individual.

If you can't figure it out I can't help you.


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At 2.5 yards per carry, run the ball on every down including fourth down. Surely, first downs can be had.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Grrrrah76 said:

We haven't had decent offensive line play in years. It kills our running attack and rushes our quarterbacks. Mendoza probably wins the Heisman behind a stout offensive line at Indiana.

Not surprisingly, Indiana is 6th in the country in rushing and leads the Big 10.
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Alkiadt said:

Bobodeluxe said:

They apparently had a difference of opinion on offensive strategies.


If any of you have ever supervised people, sometimes hard decisions need to be made in the best interest of the organization, and more importantly, as well as the individual.

If you can't figure it out I can't help you.




This comment is laughable. Wilcox has had a long history of not moving on timely from significantly underperforming staff. Just off the top of my head, there was the last S&C coach, Longwell, Angus, and Baldwin.

He's only moved on quickly from 2 coaches that I recall. 1 was Spav, whose time coincided with the one decent offense Wilcox had in 9 years, and who has also performed well as an OC before and after his one year with Wilcox.

And the other was Bloesch when Wilcox made him both OC and OL coach in an obviously bound to fail and ridiculously lazy decision.
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