jy1988 said:

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Like I said elsewhere, DJax or Burl Toller III would be exciting, plus they were more loyal to the Cal program.

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One year at a FCS program and a career assistant.

OsoDorado said:

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... My decision would already be made -- for all practical purposes -- pending, of course, the formal in-person interviews.

Nobody brings the collection of talents that Tosh has, and it's not even close:

1) Cal grad;
2) Intensely driven to excellence;
3) An amazing coaching resume, associated with the best coaches; and
4) Unmatched recruiting ability.

Something I haven't really seen highlighted yet is the fact that Tosh's talent for recruiting players will very likely extend to being able to recruit a great coaching staff. It doesn't hurt that he's already worked with some of the best.

Obviously, hiring Tosh would create the biggest splash imaginable. We need this NOW to give our program a completely new start. Hiring Tosh would be incredibly inspiring to potential player and coaching recruits, in addition to big-time Alumni donors.

This would also present a new challenge for Tosh, and he would get the opportunity at his alma mater. Sure, if he achieves what he is capable of, he will be invited to be the next HC at Ohio State -- or even sooner at Texas after they fire Sark. But if he succeeds here and then moves on, it will only be after taking our program to a completely different level.

Finally, is there any HC hire we could possibly make who would make JKS more excited to stay here? I rest my case.

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Add in that the time is critical with re organization of college football on the immediate horizon.

True, but we'd have RR to guide them and handle all the high level stuff as they learn OTJ.

socaltownie said:

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Bet a top dog right now this is NOT a spalshy "leads sports center" like hire.

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I don't know. JKS is a pretty big story and the extent to which we have a chance to keep him could be of national interest.

Fan postings seem to point to Tosh, with Rolo in close. What are the chances that it will be someone else, one whose name has not been bandied about of late?

Well then, he can be his WR or OC coach. or how about Toler as WR coach, and DjAX as OC? Hell, then throw in AT or Marshawn as RB coach!

Cafe_intermezzo said:

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jy1988 said:

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Like I said elsewhere, DJax or Burl Toller III would be exciting, plus they were more loyal to the Cal program.

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DJax just shared his opinion on who he thinks the new coach should be.

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Thanks!!!

OsoDorado said:

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... My decision would already be made -- for all practical purposes -- pending, of course, the formal in-person interviews.

Nobody brings the collection of talents that Tosh has, and it's not even close:

1) Cal grad;
2) Intensely driven to excellence;
3) An amazing coaching resume, associated with the best coaches; and
4) Unmatched recruiting ability.

Something I haven't really seen highlighted yet is the fact that Tosh's talent for recruiting players will very likely extend to being able to recruit a great coaching staff. It doesn't hurt that he's already worked with some of the best.

Obviously, hiring Tosh would create the biggest splash imaginable. We need this NOW to give our program a completely new start. Hiring Tosh would be incredibly inspiring to potential player and coaching recruits, in addition to big-time Alumni donors.

This would also present a new challenge for Tosh, and he would get the opportunity at his alma mater. Sure, if he achieves what he is capable of, he will be invited to be the next HC at Ohio State -- or even sooner at Texas after they fire Sark. But if he succeeds here and then moves on, it will only be after taking our program to a completely different level.

Finally, is there any HC hire we could possibly make who would make JKS more excited to stay here? I rest my case.

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I'm not against hiring Tosh but just to play devil's advocate here:

Something I haven't really seen highlighted yet is the fact that Tosh's talent for recruiting players will very likely extend to being able to recruit a great coaching staff..

// Recruiting top players doesn't guarantee he'll build a great coaching staff. Market conditions and things he can't control come into play. Teams with top players end up with the wrong coaches all the time.

Obviously, hiring Tosh would create the biggest splash imaginable.

//He'll create a big splash for the people who want him here. Most Cal fans wanted Wilcox gone but what percentage of them want Tosh?

But if he succeeds here and then moves on, it will only be after taking our program to a completely different level.

//What are the expectations for him? CFP? 8-9 win seasons? What if he flops, then what? At least we hired a Cal guy?

Finally, is there any HC hire we could possibly make who would make JKS more excited to stay here? I rest my case.

//Apparently, Tosh wasn't a big enough reason to stick with Oregon when JKS flipped back to Cal?

Cafe_intermezzo said:

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jy1988 said:

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Like I said elsewhere, DJax or Burl Toller III would be exciting, plus they were more loyal to the Cal program.

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DJax just shared his opinion on who he thinks the new coach should be.

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So reading the tea leaves, Desean was a candidate and has been told… It is Tosh. It is a done deal.

PAC-10-BEAR said:

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OsoDorado said:

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... My decision would already be made -- for all practical purposes -- pending, of course, the formal in-person interviews.

Nobody brings the collection of talents that Tosh has, and it's not even close:

1) Cal grad;
2) Intensely driven to excellence;
3) An amazing coaching resume, associated with the best coaches; and
4) Unmatched recruiting ability.

Something I haven't really seen highlighted yet is the fact that Tosh's talent for recruiting players will very likely extend to being able to recruit a great coaching staff. It doesn't hurt that he's already worked with some of the best.

Obviously, hiring Tosh would create the biggest splash imaginable. We need this NOW to give our program a completely new start. Hiring Tosh would be incredibly inspiring to potential player and coaching recruits, in addition to big-time Alumni donors.

This would also present a new challenge for Tosh, and he would get the opportunity at his alma mater. Sure, if he achieves what he is capable of, he will be invited to be the next HC at Ohio State -- or even sooner at Texas after they fire Sark. But if he succeeds here and then moves on, it will only be after taking our program to a completely different level.

Finally, is there any HC hire we could possibly make who would make JKS more excited to stay here? I rest my case.

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I'm not against hiring Tosh but just to play devil's advocate here:

Something I haven't really seen highlighted yet is the fact that Tosh's talent for recruiting players will very likely extend to being able to recruit a great coaching staff..

// Recruiting top players doesn't guarantee he'll build a great coaching staff. Market conditions and things he can't control come into play. Teams with top players end up with the wrong coaches all the time.

Obviously, hiring Tosh would create the biggest splash imaginable.

//He'll create a big splash for the people who want him here. Most Cal fans wanted Wilcox gone but what percentage of them want Tosh?

But if he succeeds here and then moves on, it will only be after taking our program to a completely different level.

//What are the expectations for him? CFP? 8-9 win seasons? What if he flops, then what? At least we hired a Cal guy?

Finally, is there any HC hire we could possibly make who would make JKS more excited to stay here? I rest my case.

//Apparently, Tosh wasn't a big enough reason to stick with Oregon when JKS flipped back to Cal?

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Word at Boston Market is that Tosh recruited him back to Berkeley while on the Oregon payroll.

So sitting on the bench instead of playing QB wasn't enough incentive for JKS to stay at Oregon with a defensive coordinator?

atoms said:

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calpoly said:

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While recruiting well is important, it is useless if you cannot coach that talent. In my opinion, it is unclear whether or not Tosh has the skill set necessary to deliver good coaching to the players.

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How is it unclear? He's coached a bunch of great defenses and great players and won a ton of games. Multiple players and fellow coaches have talked about what a great coach he is. He's sent a bunch of guys to the NFL. Seems pretty clear.

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After last Saturday it's pretty obvious our defensive setup needs a major attitude adjustment, he can make extremely aggressive calls at times but seeing opposing receivers wide open downfield the last few seasons means guys are either checked out or not knowing what they are doing

OsoDorado said:

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... My decision would already be made -- for all practical purposes -- pending, of course, the formal in-person interviews.

Nobody brings the collection of talents that Tosh has, and it's not even close:

1) Cal grad;
2) Intensely driven to excellence;
3) An amazing coaching resume, associated with the best coaches; and
4) Unmatched recruiting ability.

Something I haven't really seen highlighted yet is the fact that Tosh's talent for recruiting players will very likely extend to being able to recruit a great coaching staff. It doesn't hurt that he's already worked with some of the best.

Obviously, hiring Tosh would create the biggest splash imaginable. We need this NOW to give our program a completely new start. Hiring Tosh would be incredibly inspiring to potential player and coaching recruits, in addition to big-time Alumni donors.

This would also present a new challenge for Tosh, and he would get the opportunity at his alma mater. Sure, if he achieves what he is capable of, he will be invited to be the next HC at Ohio State -- or even sooner at Texas after they fire Sark. But if he succeeds here and then moves on, it will only be after taking our program to a completely different level.

Finally, is there any HC hire we could possibly make who would make JKS more excited to stay here? I rest my case.

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Yes, a great offensive guru for one.
Every year under Wilcox we were promised a great OC who would bring us a dynamite offense. Most years boring,
boring, boring….. If you ever do get a good OC he will probably leave the next year for a head coaching job somewhere and we're stuck with no imagination again.
All things being equal, I'd much rather have an offensive guy. Just saying, there are drawbacks to hiring
Tosh. If he's hired I'll support him (or whoever) to the max,
but I've seen D guys fail time and time again because they know so little offense. Boring! Let's hope Tosh has learned
a little about offense through the years. He'd better be able to recruit lots of talent for JKS. I don't think we'll ever climb a couple levels and get the program where we want by becoming a defense powerhouse at the college level. Ain't gonna happen. Again, if it's Tosh, I hope you are right and that he succeeds. But there are definite concerns.

OsoDorado said:

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... My decision would already be made -- for all practical purposes -- pending, of course, the formal in-person interviews.

Nobody brings the collection of talents that Tosh has, and it's not even close:

1) Cal grad;
2) Intensely driven to excellence;
3) An amazing coaching resume, associated with the best coaches; and
4) Unmatched recruiting ability.

Something I haven't really seen highlighted yet is the fact that Tosh's talent for recruiting players will very likely extend to being able to recruit a great coaching staff. It doesn't hurt that he's already worked with some of the best.

Obviously, hiring Tosh would create the biggest splash imaginable. We need this NOW to give our program a completely new start. Hiring Tosh would be incredibly inspiring to potential player and coaching recruits, in addition to big-time Alumni donors.

This would also present a new challenge for Tosh, and he would get the opportunity at his alma mater. Sure, if he achieves what he is capable of, he will be invited to be the next HC at Ohio State -- or even sooner at Texas after they fire Sark. But if he succeeds here and then moves on, it will only be after taking our program to a completely different level.

Finally, is there any HC hire we could possibly make who would make JKS more excited to stay here? I rest my case.

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Isn't that like inviting your ex-wife back after she stole from you?]

It starts at the top my friend. Google Curt Cignetti the head coach of that storied Indiana U football program who stole our qb.

BubbaBear said:

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Probably a day late and a dollar short, but....

You want a coach that came through the offensive side of the ball and someone with math/hard science degree (has a pathological ability to concentrate and think several moves ahead). Example: Ben Johnson Chicago Bears head coach. Was the Lions OC and has degrees in math and computer science. Immediate success.

Please tell me Cal has an analytics/data science program to identify the traits of successful coaches and the ability to scrape the data for those candidates while accounting for the fact Cal ain't the SEC. Cal has top shelf math/data science capabilities... Please don't settle on a "safe" choice.

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The thing about top shelf math/data scientist types is that they tend to not be extroverts. They tend to not love recruiting. They tend to want to put their head down and solve the problem and not deal with the rest of the aspects of the job.

I would absolutely love if we were able to hire the mad scientist type offensive coordinator. Let them put their head down and do that and let the head coach fill in the other gaps. If not as the coordinator at least as an assistant.

Strykur said:

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atoms said:

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calpoly said:

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While recruiting well is important, it is useless if you cannot coach that talent. In my opinion, it is unclear whether or not Tosh has the skill set necessary to deliver good coaching to the players.

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How is it unclear? He's coached a bunch of great defenses and great players and won a ton of games. Multiple players and fellow coaches have talked about what a great coach he is. He's sent a bunch of guys to the NFL. Seems pretty clear.

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After last Saturday it's pretty obvious our defensive setup needs a major attitude adjustment, he can make extremely aggressive calls at times but seeing opposing receivers wide open downfield the last few seasons means guys are either checked out or not knowing what they are doing

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Or the DL is giving the QB way too much time to throw, which has been the problem with all but one (maybe 2018?) Wilcox defenses. With today's 4 WR offenses, defenses have to put pressure on the opposing QB or somebody is going to get open.

Back on topic, anybody think Jonathan Smith will get a call?

HearstMining said:

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Strykur said:

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atoms said:

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calpoly said:

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While recruiting well is important, it is useless if you cannot coach that talent. In my opinion, it is unclear whether or not Tosh has the skill set necessary to deliver good coaching to the players.

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How is it unclear? He's coached a bunch of great defenses and great players and won a ton of games. Multiple players and fellow coaches have talked about what a great coach he is. He's sent a bunch of guys to the NFL. Seems pretty clear.

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After last Saturday it's pretty obvious our defensive setup needs a major attitude adjustment, he can make extremely aggressive calls at times but seeing opposing receivers wide open downfield the last few seasons means guys are either checked out or not knowing what they are doing

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Or the DL is giving the QB way too much time to throw, which has been the problem with all but one (maybe 2018?) Wilcox defenses. With today's 4 WR offenses, defenses have to put pressure on the opposing QB or somebody is going to get open.

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Wilcox just had a poor recruiter ensconced at DL coach for 8 years. It is a position that you can't just "coach up." Recruiting is critical. If Tosh is the guy, it is the main position I expect to see upgraded right away.

Trumpanzee said:

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OsoDorado said:

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... My decision would already be made -- for all practical purposes -- pending, of course, the formal in-person interviews.

Nobody brings the collection of talents that Tosh has, and it's not even close:

1) Cal grad;
2) Intensely driven to excellence;
3) An amazing coaching resume, associated with the best coaches; and
4) Unmatched recruiting ability.

Something I haven't really seen highlighted yet is the fact that Tosh's talent for recruiting players will very likely extend to being able to recruit a great coaching staff. It doesn't hurt that he's already worked with some of the best.

Obviously, hiring Tosh would create the biggest splash imaginable. We need this NOW to give our program a completely new start. Hiring Tosh would be incredibly inspiring to potential player and coaching recruits, in addition to big-time Alumni donors.

This would also present a new challenge for Tosh, and he would get the opportunity at his alma mater. Sure, if he achieves what he is capable of, he will be invited to be the next HC at Ohio State -- or even sooner at Texas after they fire Sark. But if he succeeds here and then moves on, it will only be after taking our program to a completely different level.

Finally, is there any HC hire we could possibly make who would make JKS more excited to stay here? I rest my case.

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Isn't that like inviting your ex-wife back after she stole from you?]

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Depends. What did she steal and, most importantly, how hot is she?

Big C said:

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Trumpanzee said:

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Isn't that like inviting your ex-wife back after she stole from you?]

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Depends. What did she steal and, most importantly, how hot is she?

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If loving her again is wrong, you don't want to be right?