Rushinbear said:

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Big C said:

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chazzed said:

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It is ridiculous, isn't it? As long as everybody here admits that Cal will now do anything to win, let's give Tosh a try. But he is not a good example of a Cal guy. He is not the best fit.

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Maybe a "good example of a Cal guy" is not necessarily somebody who has never made a mistake but rather could also be somebody who has made mistakes, recognized that, and came back to make things right.

Full disclosure: poster 4thGenCal, who is an insider, posted several years ago that Tosh sincerely regrets what he did and has a dream of coming back and rectifying his transgression by leading Cal to the promised land. 4thGen, who has credibility to me strictly on the basis of his posts here, changed my opinion of Tosh Lupoi right then and there.

Others' opinions on this may vary; I recognize that and that's fine.

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Sincerely regrets? He needs to do it in public with an abject apology. His first presser would be the occasion.

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I don't think I want our new head coach to do any "abject" anything. That would make him look weak. If he talks about it, he should address it briefly and move on.

Grrrrah76 said:

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Simple argument:

Who has done better in college football since Tosh left?
Tosh or Cal?

We all know the answer.

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Uh, that's a BS argument. You want to compare an individual to a full program? You want to give Tosh credit for Saban's wins?

Go ahead, but that's a really foolish line of thought.

The danger of hiring someone with such an upside but also some character indicators can be exemplified by Jim Harbaugh. He won a (not yet removed) National Championship to Michigan, but it was tarnished by his cheating. He jumped ship to the NFL knowing he was caught, and now Michigan is on a several year recovery plan with egg on its face.

BearoutEast67 said:

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The danger of hiring someone with such an upside but also some character indicators can be exemplified by Jim Harbaugh. He won a (not yet removed) National Championship to Michigan, but it was tarnished by his cheating. He jumped ship to the NFL knowing he was caught, and now Michigan is on a several year recovery plan with egg on its face.

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Hmmm....I haven't followed Michigan closely enough to understand the damage hairball did (or didn't) or if the current SLIGHT slide is more a function that Michigan now is in a league not just with tOSU but also Oregon (and this year Indiana) and football is very much a zero sum game. So in our case, being perennial ACC champions means being BETTER than Florida state and Clemon over a multi-year run.

Again, I think any Coach Lup (I am going with the preferred moniker) problems pales in comparison to the current profession. Hell we have programs that hire FATHERS to bring their kiddos with them. I think this is just what big time P4 college athletics are. If you are not comfortable with it join the insider board where you can get flamed repeatedly.

BearoutEast67 said:

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The danger of hiring someone with such an upside but also some character indicators can be exemplified by Jim Harbaugh. He won a (not yet removed) National Championship to Michigan, but it was tarnished by his cheating. He jumped ship to the NFL knowing he was caught, and now Michigan is on a several year recovery plan with egg on its face.

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I'm going to say that Michigan would happily take this deal again.

sycasey said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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The danger of hiring someone with such an upside but also some character indicators can be exemplified by Jim Harbaugh. He won a (not yet removed) National Championship to Michigan, but it was tarnished by his cheating. He jumped ship to the NFL knowing he was caught, and now Michigan is on a several year recovery plan with egg on its face.

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I'm going to say that Michigan would happily take this deal again.

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It's just that UM has always worn the holier than thou hat and now they have been revealed as just the opposite. A sin, especially for a public institution.

Rushinbear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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The danger of hiring someone with such an upside but also some character indicators can be exemplified by Jim Harbaugh. He won a (not yet removed) National Championship to Michigan, but it was tarnished by his cheating. He jumped ship to the NFL knowing he was caught, and now Michigan is on a several year recovery plan with egg on its face.

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I'm going to say that Michigan would happily take this deal again.

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It's just that UM has always worn the holier than thou hat and now they have been revealed as just the opposite. A sin, especially for a public institution.

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Can't say I ever saw Michigan as a holier than thou kind of institution, but okay. Yes, college football is a business and a competition and people want to win at it.

BearoutEast67 said:

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The danger of hiring someone with such an upside but also some character indicators can be exemplified by Jim Harbaugh. He won a (not yet removed) National Championship to Michigan, but it was tarnished by his cheating. He jumped ship to the NFL knowing he was caught, and now Michigan is on a several year recovery plan with egg on its face.

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What transpired at Michigan during that time (and after) goes way beyond Harbaugh

Different Cal fans have varying opinions on how important character is in a head coach. A strong moral foundation should be a non-negotiable requirement for the job. This is because a university's football coach holds a high-profile position, making it essential that they demonstrate strong moral and ethical principles. They serve as visible role models and moral compasses for the entire team, the athletic department, and the broader university community. Their actions and decisions set the standard for behavior for the young athletes they coach, teaching them more than just football; they also teach integrity, discipline, and ethical conduct in life. A coach with poor character risks damaging the university's and athletic program's reputation.

socaltownie said:

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BearoutEast67 said:

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The danger of hiring someone with such an upside but also some character indicators can be exemplified by Jim Harbaugh. He won a (not yet removed) National Championship to Michigan, but it was tarnished by his cheating. He jumped ship to the NFL knowing he was caught, and now Michigan is on a several year recovery plan with egg on its face.

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Hmmm....I haven't followed Michigan closely enough to understand the damage hairball did (or didn't) or if the current SLIGHT slide is more a function that Michigan now is in a league not just with tOSU but also Oregon (and this year Indiana) and football is very much a zero sum game. So in our case, being perennial ACC champions means being BETTER than Florida state and Clemon over a multi-year run.

Again, I think any Coach Lup (I am going with the preferred moniker) problems pales in comparison to the current profession. Hell we have programs that hire FATHERS to bring their kiddos with them. I think this is just what big time P4 college athletics are. If you are not comfortable with it join the insider board where you can get flamed repeatedly.

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You can hire the player's father or just pay the kid NIL these days.

Rushinbear said:

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Big C said:

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chazzed said:

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It is ridiculous, isn't it? As long as everybody here admits that Cal will now do anything to win, let's give Tosh a try. But he is not a good example of a Cal guy. He is not the best fit.

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Maybe a "good example of a Cal guy" is not necessarily somebody who has never made a mistake but rather could also be somebody who has made mistakes, recognized that, and came back to make things right.

Full disclosure: poster 4thGenCal, who is an insider, posted several years ago that Tosh sincerely regrets what he did and has a dream of coming back and rectifying his transgression by leading Cal to the promised land. 4thGen, who has credibility to me strictly on the basis of his posts here, changed my opinion of Tosh Lupoi right then and there.

Others' opinions on this may vary; I recognize that and that's fine.

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Sincerely regrets? He needs to do it in public with an abject apology. His first presser would be the occasion.

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He would never apologize for what happened and would look like a weak fool for doing so. That would be a bad start. Just sing the praises of the school. He's ready to put the past behind him and move the program forward. yada yada yada

Big C said:

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chazzed said:

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It is ridiculous, isn't it? As long as everybody here admits that Cal will now do anything to win, let's give Tosh a try. But he is not a good example of a Cal guy. He is not the best fit.

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Maybe a "good example of a Cal guy" is not necessarily somebody who has never made a mistake but rather could also be somebody who has made mistakes, recognized that, and came back to make things right.

Full disclosure: poster 4thGenCal, who is an insider, posted several years ago that Tosh sincerely regrets what he did and has a dream of coming back and rectifying his transgression by leading Cal to the promised land. 4thGen, who has credibility to me strictly on the basis of his posts here, changed my opinion of Tosh Lupoi right then and there.

Others' opinions on this may vary; I recognize that and that's fine.

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I think there's something to be said about a redemption arc for the Prodigal Son. I don't think either party in Injurygate was wholly innocent nor wholly guilty. I think most of us could identify with Tedford (and obviously the school) while others could identify with Tosh at the time, a young, ambitious, hard worker who wanted to be recognized for his talent and contribution and forced to have his name sullied in the media. Whatever the stories were, I just don't see this as black and white especially in hindsight with Tedford and the APR mess.

The bullet points for those who don't remember:

• Tosh was super young when promoted to DL coach
• He was an amazing recruiter cuz he played X-box online and connected
• Tedford said something to the effect of "our young DL coach had an idea to slow down Oregon"
• That remark did not sit well
• The year he left it was not just Shaq, we had a top 3 recruiting class coming. We lost 90% of it.
• Shaq was the one most remember because his brother Syd'Quan played for us as well
• Tosh leveraged us to get UDub offer, then doubled down
• It was a major business move by him that buried Cal.
• Then Tosh could have become some slap who was never heard of
• But that was not the case, he kept growing and taking on bigger positions at bigger programs.

And now he is home so I say F**** Ya, Welcome back Coach!!!

LFG!!!

Go Bears!!!