Big C said:

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Can this be the official coping thread for those of us who don't like this?

Not only have I not forgiven what he did 15 years ago (can you even forgive someone who doesn't ask to be forgiven?) but I can't help but wonder the upside. Is the upside that we go to another holiday bowl and he leaves taking all our best recruits (but even worse this time with easier rules?) I'd rather have another 7-5 season than holiday bowl and crash out. I have no love for this hire.

At this point, it is what it is. He will be the coach and I won't have any affinity towards him. He can win games and that still won't change. Still confused how Kiffin gets flamed and Tosh gets to go back to his Alma mater he burned without much of a second thought.

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PS, by the way according to sports illustrated the boosters were 100% behind him. I wonder why they are and you're not? Are you smarter, recher and more valuable than them?

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I am not richer or smarter than any of the boosters. I simply have a better moral compass. I've been around long enough to know that winning isn't everything and that there are more important things than money and winning such as honor and integrity. I am so effing disappointed.

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First of all, I respect your opinion. I, too, am disappointed in what Tosh did 14 years ago.

But, did he strangle somebody? Did he break into somebody's home and steal their things? No, he just acted unethically. Supposedly, he regrets what he did. Who here has never done something they regret? (I know nowadays we are supposed to say, "no regrets", but I, personally, have tons of them.)

Can you not forgive him for his transgression? If not, hey, that's your right. Again, respect to you and those who have similar opinions on this. For me, I will judge him on what he does going forward, with a fresh start.

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Exactly. As I said to HistoryBear in another thread, I agree that Tosh was unethical in 2011, and no one should deny his actions or try to argue otherwise, but there is nothing unethical on our part in hiring him in 2025.

If anything, forgiveness is among the highest moral actions one can take. We are giving him a chance to redeem himself with Cal fans. Let's hope he does.

I am here to cope. Ron made the call. I believe in Ron. Go Bears!

But, did he strangle somebody? No.

Did he break into somebody's home and steal their things? Break into? No. Steal their things? Yes.

Calfan92 said:

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But, did he strangle somebody? No.

Did he break into somebody's home and steal their things? Break into? No. Steal their things? Yes.

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this line of thinking gives the recruits no agency and assumes tweets and insider sports gossip counts as facts.

Anyway, he is the coach for at least 3+ years. Time to bury grudges about a "monster class" or post up your "I will eat crow" predictions about how things will spin out. I personally believe that Lewis would be the better hire and I honestly think he will have a higher win percentage than Tosh unless he takes over a total rebuild after SDSU.

Coping, on the first day of announcing a new coach for Cal football? If you have been a Cal fan for any length of time (I'm pretty much at 50 ****ing years) you know today is one of the high points. I don't need any coping. You cope though. I'll be dreaming.

BerlinerBaer said:

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I haven't chimed in yet and it doesn't matter because Tosh is the guy, but I'm skeptical of the hire for a lot of the reasons hashed out here already, and not because of what happened in 2012.

We're hiring an ace recruiter in an era when bags of money recruit as well or better than personality. OK fine maybe that because we don't have bags of money. What about Xs and Os? I don't get the sense Lupoi's that kind of coach. Can he manage a team at the P4 level? Who will he hire under him? He's a DC with no head coaching experience. Basically Wilcox 2.0. Would we be considering him if he didn't play at Cal?

I'm glad RR is around for guidance and I hope my outlook proves to have been too pessimistic.

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What does it say about your top guy that it's a good thing that his boss is around for guidance?

It's done, but it's gonna take a while for this Bear to put it behind him. I hope he puts all us doubters wrong.