sycasey said:

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BearForceOne said:

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freshfunk said:

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So who's assembling the offensive coaching staff? Is it Tosh or Somerville? Does Somerville have the connections and pull to bring in a quality staff with his slim experience?

Normally we'd say "let the OC build his own staff." Yet does anyone have the confidence here that Somerville can assemble one?

I think it's funny that anybody asking questions is met with so much resistance. I guess some have so fully jumped on the Tosh hype-train that there's no point in questioning any decisions whatsoever. This is the sort of blind faith that has bit us so much in the past and yet some just haven't learned.

Btw, those saying this is "high risk, high reward." What about him or his past says "high reward"? All I see is "high risk." His resume reads like his next move up would be a position coach, maybe an OC at a much smaller program.

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I would definitely agree with you that this is a high risk hire, but with unknown/unproven potential for high reward. I hope he turns out to be a great hire and has great success, but it is far from a lock. Anybody saying otherwise is kidding themselves.

Tosh might be able to sell this kind of risky hire at Cal since we have been down for a while and people are more willing to try something, anything different, but if he were hired as a HC at, say, Oregon or Alabama or Michigan, and said he wants to hire someone with such a thin resume as the OC, I don't think it will fly.

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Cal cannot attract the same kinds of candidates that Oregon or Alabama could.

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Thank you. This is the answer. We have a middle of the pack or lower middle of the pack program. Big name / high demand coaches will go to top programs where they get top talent to implement their schemes and learn from other exp coaches.

Could we have found someone with more experience for OC? I imagine yes. But it probably would have been a retread who didn't have better options imo.

I had never heard of this guy before. No idea if he will be good. But it feels like we are in a position where we need to take swings on lesser known and high upside hires. My hope is this one is both.

BearForceOne said:

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sycasey said:

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BearForceOne said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal cannot attract the same kinds of candidates that Oregon or Alabama could.

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But I thought Tosh said NFL coaches were calling him up saying they want to come coach here?

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He just hired one!

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I'm glad he didn't hire an assistant strength and conditioning coach to be our OC then. Because that is an NFL coach too.

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I'm not sure, we could have had a strong and well-conditioned offense!

sycasey said:

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freshfunk said:

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sycasey said:

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BearForceOne said:

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freshfunk said:

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So who's assembling the offensive coaching staff? Is it Tosh or Somerville? Does Somerville have the connections and pull to bring in a quality staff with his slim experience?

Normally we'd say "let the OC build his own staff." Yet does anyone have the confidence here that Somerville can assemble one?

I think it's funny that anybody asking questions is met with so much resistance. I guess some have so fully jumped on the Tosh hype-train that there's no point in questioning any decisions whatsoever. This is the sort of blind faith that has bit us so much in the past and yet some just haven't learned.

Btw, those saying this is "high risk, high reward." What about him or his past says "high reward"? All I see is "high risk." His resume reads like his next move up would be a position coach, maybe an OC at a much smaller program.

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I would definitely agree with you that this is a high risk hire, but with unknown/unproven potential for high reward. I hope he turns out to be a great hire and has great success, but it is far from a lock. Anybody saying otherwise is kidding themselves.

Tosh might be able to sell this kind of risky hire at Cal since we have been down for a while and people are more willing to try something, anything different, but if he were hired as a HC at, say, Oregon or Alabama or Michigan, and said he wants to hire someone with such a thin resume as the OC, I don't think it will fly.

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Cal cannot attract the same kinds of candidates that Oregon or Alabama could.

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I thought Tosh was all about talent acquisition, including his staff?

I hope to be more impressed with the rest of his hires, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I assume he has a much better network and greater ability to bring people here because of his bona fides. But I'm even more concerned now how the rest of the offensive staff will look. My worries will be allayed if he brings on coaches with more experience. If this becomes an "all the young dudes" staff, I'm going to be a bit worried. I'm all for young talent and energy, but not a room full of ONLY that.

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Well, for one thing Rolo is already on staff so it's not "all the young dudes." As to the rest, I say just enjoy the ride. Every new coach means we're taking a chance. Let's see if he can make it work.

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Rolo is what? 2 years older than Tosh?

calumnus said:

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sycasey said:

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freshfunk said:

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sycasey said:

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BearForceOne said:

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freshfunk said:

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So who's assembling the offensive coaching staff? Is it Tosh or Somerville? Does Somerville have the connections and pull to bring in a quality staff with his slim experience?

Normally we'd say "let the OC build his own staff." Yet does anyone have the confidence here that Somerville can assemble one?

I think it's funny that anybody asking questions is met with so much resistance. I guess some have so fully jumped on the Tosh hype-train that there's no point in questioning any decisions whatsoever. This is the sort of blind faith that has bit us so much in the past and yet some just haven't learned.

Btw, those saying this is "high risk, high reward." What about him or his past says "high reward"? All I see is "high risk." His resume reads like his next move up would be a position coach, maybe an OC at a much smaller program.

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I would definitely agree with you that this is a high risk hire, but with unknown/unproven potential for high reward. I hope he turns out to be a great hire and has great success, but it is far from a lock. Anybody saying otherwise is kidding themselves.

Tosh might be able to sell this kind of risky hire at Cal since we have been down for a while and people are more willing to try something, anything different, but if he were hired as a HC at, say, Oregon or Alabama or Michigan, and said he wants to hire someone with such a thin resume as the OC, I don't think it will fly.

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Cal cannot attract the same kinds of candidates that Oregon or Alabama could.

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I thought Tosh was all about talent acquisition, including his staff?

I hope to be more impressed with the rest of his hires, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I assume he has a much better network and greater ability to bring people here because of his bona fides. But I'm even more concerned now how the rest of the offensive staff will look. My worries will be allayed if he brings on coaches with more experience. If this becomes an "all the young dudes" staff, I'm going to be a bit worried. I'm all for young talent and energy, but not a room full of ONLY that.

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Well, for one thing Rolo is already on staff so it's not "all the young dudes." As to the rest, I say just enjoy the ride. Every new coach means we're taking a chance. Let's see if he can make it work.

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Rolo is what? 2 years older than Tosh?

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Yes, but he has head coaching experience. He's not some young up-and-coming dude.

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sycasey said:

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BearForceOne said:

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freshfunk said:

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So who's assembling the offensive coaching staff? Is it Tosh or Somerville? Does Somerville have the connections and pull to bring in a quality staff with his slim experience?

Normally we'd say "let the OC build his own staff." Yet does anyone have the confidence here that Somerville can assemble one?

I think it's funny that anybody asking questions is met with so much resistance. I guess some have so fully jumped on the Tosh hype-train that there's no point in questioning any decisions whatsoever. This is the sort of blind faith that has bit us so much in the past and yet some just haven't learned.

Btw, those saying this is "high risk, high reward." What about him or his past says "high reward"? All I see is "high risk." His resume reads like his next move up would be a position coach, maybe an OC at a much smaller program.

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I would definitely agree with you that this is a high risk hire, but with unknown/unproven potential for high reward. I hope he turns out to be a great hire and has great success, but it is far from a lock. Anybody saying otherwise is kidding themselves.

Tosh might be able to sell this kind of risky hire at Cal since we have been down for a while and people are more willing to try something, anything different, but if he were hired as a HC at, say, Oregon or Alabama or Michigan, and said he wants to hire someone with such a thin resume as the OC, I don't think it will fly.

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Cal cannot attract the same kinds of candidates that Oregon or Alabama could.

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Thank you. This is the answer. We have a middle of the pack or lower middle of the pack program. Big name / high demand coaches will go to top programs where they get top talent to implement their schemes and learn from other exp coaches.

Could we have found someone with more experience for OC? I imagine yes. But it probably would have been a retread who didn't have better options imo.

I had never heard of this guy before. No idea if he will be good. But it feels like we are in a position where we need to take swings on lesser known and high upside hires. My hope is this one is both.

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Agreed. And hey, if it works out and Tosh takes Cal to regular national rankings and maybe even a CFP berth (and the improved attendance and donor activity that would come with that), then we can think about attracting better candidates to fill assistant positions. First thing's first, though.

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Hope they lose out and steer clear of the playoffs then.

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The good news is that Tampa Bay thinks he is an important part of their playoff hopes. I hope he recruits Florida while he is still there.

freshfunk said:

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So who's assembling the offensive coaching staff? Is it Tosh or Somerville? Does Somerville have the connections and pull to bring in a quality staff with his slim experience?

Normally we'd say "let the OC build his own staff." Yet does anyone have the confidence here that Somerville can assemble one?

I think it's funny that anybody asking questions is met with so much resistance. I guess some have so fully jumped on the Tosh hype-train that there's no point in questioning any decisions whatsoever. This is the sort of blind faith that has bit us so much in the past and yet some just haven't learned.

Btw, those saying this is "high risk, high reward." What about him or his past says "high reward"? All I see is "high risk." His resume reads like his next move up would be a position coach, maybe an OC at a much smaller program.

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You raise a good question about the hiring of the offensive assistants. I'm thinking Somerville is fairly limited in his college coaching experience, so he, Tosh and maybe Ron and Rolo all figure it out together. And a key there would be how well do they all work together?

You'd have to think that Anae and Saffell might be retained, so then you would be down to just WR and RB.

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You'd have to think that Anae and Saffell might be retained, so then you would be down to just WR and RB.

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Just imagine Desean as our WR coach and Marshawn for RBs ....

Imagine the freaking recruiting machine we would become.

P.S. -- I know it's not happening, but one can dream.

Can Rodgers be passing game analyst?

OsoDorado said:

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Big C said:

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You'd have to think that Anae and Saffell might be retained, so then you would be down to just WR and RB.

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Just imagine Desean as our WR coach and Marshawn for RBs ....

Imagine the freaking recruiting machine we would become.

P.S. -- I know it's not happening, but one can dream.

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I seriously doubt that Marshawn would even be open to being tied down like that, with near-24 hr/day/year round coaching responsibilities (meetings, practices, recruiting, etc). He's got too many other things going on in his life.

I want Aaron as our recruiting coordinator. Imagine Aaron taking 18 year olds on darkness retreats and when they come out, the Cal band is playing....#1 Class Every Year.