m2bear said:
I jinxed positive energy. Too funny.
Masses to the Raiders.
sycasey said:
Wilcox really was not bringing in a lot of talent (besides DBs). Hopefully that changes with Tosh.
JOB said:
Wilcox brought in Mendoza. Dykes brought Goff. Tedford, Rodgers. Pretty good pulls, each of them.
sycasey said:JOB said:
Wilcox brought in Mendoza. Dykes brought Goff. Tedford, Rodgers. Pretty good pulls, each of them.
He did get Mendoza and JKS. Though in Mendoza's case he didn't seem to realize he was good until he absolutely had to.
calumnus said:sycasey said:JOB said:
Wilcox brought in Mendoza. Dykes brought Goff. Tedford, Rodgers. Pretty good pulls, each of them.
He did get Mendoza and JKS. Though in Mendoza's case he didn't seem to realize he was good until he absolutely had to.
Rodgers and Mendoza were "lucky" finds, though Tedford saw talent in Rodgers and Musgrave saw talent in Mendoza. We kind of ended up offering Mendoza because our recruiting at QB was so bad. Tedford was bringing in Elite 11s every year and got none of them to the NFL. Goff and Sagapolutele were both highly rated, but so was Kyle Boller who Holmoe pulled in.
Many point out Tedford recruited and got a commitment from Goff, but really, neither Tedford or Dykes really deserve much credit, Goff was a 4 star recruit in our backyard and a double legacy lifelong Cal fan. He was coming to Cal no matter what. Where Dykes/Franklin get credit is recognizing his talent and starting him as a true freshmen over the even more highly rated Zach Kline, who Tedford brought in and had redshirted the year before.
That leaves Sagapolutele as probably the biggest QB recruiting win since Kyle Boller (though Wilcox briefly lost him to Oregon). Like Boller he was not able to save the bad head coach that brought him in.
SouthKBear said:
Totally irrelevant and truly not worth the comment. However, I'm curious if Jadyn Ott, endres and J Mike have stayed Would they have gotten drafted sooner or even at all? I believe Mendoza would have still probably gone the number one pick. If you look at Jared Goff, he was a number one pick with a five and seven record maybe six and six. All in all we'll see if they get invited for tryouts or is their career done people never seem to learn their lesson that the grass is never greener on the other side, maybe patches only have green grass
m2bear said:
I jinxed positive energy. Too funny.
Masses to the Raiders.
sycasey said:JOB said:
Wilcox brought in Mendoza. Dykes brought Goff. Tedford, Rodgers. Pretty good pulls, each of them.
He did get Mendoza and JKS. Though in Mendoza's case he didn't seem to realize he was good until he absolutely had to.
SFCityBear said:
Cal has a history of hiring coaches who can bring very talented quarterbacks to Cal. Going back only as far as when the forward pass became a major skill needed to define a great quarterback, Pappy Waldorf was a man who could spot talent, evaluated and sign such a player. I think his first such recruit to Cal was Bob Celeri, who led Cal to the 1950 Rose Bowl, making 2nd team All American. That was followed by Pappy signing Paul Larson who led the nation in total offense in 1953, and led the nation in passing in 1954. In those days, players played both offense and defense, and along with being the quarterback, Larson played a defensive back, where his career of 12 interceptions has him tied for 3rd on Cal's all-time list. He could also kick PATs and FGs if needed. He was named a Consensus All American.
During Larson's career, Waldorf also recruited Ronnie Knox, who I believe was rated by some as the top QB recruit in the nation. Knox did not like the idea of playing behind Larson, so his father Harvey Knox became more involved and tried to pressure Pappy to play his son. Waldorf refused, and Knox transferred to UCLA, as I remember.
Pappy later recruited Joe Kapp, but he had no more scholarships to use. Pete Newell was also interested in Kapp to play basketball, Kapp ended up coming to Cal on a basketball scholarship. Kapp would become the quarterback on the football team, and also play on the basketball team. He would be named a football All-American, and led Cal to the the 1959 Rose Bowl.
Mike White deserves a special thanks for signing three of Cal's finest QBs, Steve Bartkowski, Vince Ferragamo, and the great Joe Roth.
And for the most inept coach (at Cal) to bring us a great quarterback, it was Marv Levy for signing Craig Morton.
Apologies to any Cal coach or quarterback I missed here.
calumnus said:SouthKBear said:
Totally irrelevant and truly not worth the comment. However, I'm curious if Jadyn Ott, endres and J Mike have stayed Would they have gotten drafted sooner or even at all? I believe Mendoza would have still probably gone the number one pick. If you look at Jared Goff, he was a number one pick with a five and seven record maybe six and six. All in all we'll see if they get invited for tryouts or is their career done people never seem to learn their lesson that the grass is never greener on the other side, maybe patches only have green grass
Goff broke passing records and Cal, that is why he went #1. No way Mendoza goes number 1 if he stays, at least not this draft. At Indiana he was on the #3 scoring offense, won the Heisman and the National Championship. Cal had a great QB and yet we had the #86 offense, plagued by WR drops and the second worst running attack in D1. If Fernando stayed we would be looking at how good he might be in this, his senior year as he completes his Haas MBA.
BearlyCareAnymore said:sycasey said:JOB said:
Wilcox brought in Mendoza. Dykes brought Goff. Tedford, Rodgers. Pretty good pulls, each of them.
He did get Mendoza and JKS. Though in Mendoza's case he didn't seem to realize he was good until he absolutely had to.
I'm not sure he ever realized he was good.
sycasey said:BearlyCareAnymore said:sycasey said:JOB said:
Wilcox brought in Mendoza. Dykes brought Goff. Tedford, Rodgers. Pretty good pulls, each of them.
He did get Mendoza and JKS. Though in Mendoza's case he didn't seem to realize he was good until he absolutely had to.
I'm not sure he ever realized he was good.
The way he took the ball out of his hands in late situations (like at Pitt) is evidence in your favor there.
m2bear said:
Ott signs with Kansas City.
Any other Bears sign with NFL teams?
BearForceOne said:
What about Jacob DeJesus? I hope he can sign with a team or be granted another year of eligibility.
calumnus said:sycasey said:BearlyCareAnymore said:sycasey said:JOB said:
Wilcox brought in Mendoza. Dykes brought Goff. Tedford, Rodgers. Pretty good pulls, each of them.
He did get Mendoza and JKS. Though in Mendoza's case he didn't seem to realize he was good until he absolutely had to.
I'm not sure he ever realized he was good.
The way he took the ball out of his hands in late situations (like at Pitt) is evidence in your favor there.
Miami was worse. Every one of our "come from ahead" losses that year were characterized by building a lead with Mendoza throwing downfield then getting conservative and running, mixed in with a screen pass and punting. That does not get you drafted anywhere close to #1. However, I wouldn't say it was Wilcox not knowing Mendoza was good as much as it was Wilcox's discomfort with prolific high scoring passing offenses, his desire to win with defense, and his mistaken belief that "Four touchdowns is enough" and once you have that it is up to the defense to hold the other team to less.
calumnus said:sycasey said:BearlyCareAnymore said:sycasey said:JOB said:
Wilcox brought in Mendoza. Dykes brought Goff. Tedford, Rodgers. Pretty good pulls, each of them.
He did get Mendoza and JKS. Though in Mendoza's case he didn't seem to realize he was good until he absolutely had to.
I'm not sure he ever realized he was good.
The way he took the ball out of his hands in late situations (like at Pitt) is evidence in your favor there.
Miami was worse. Every one of our "come from ahead" losses that year were characterized by building a lead with Mendoza throwing downfield then getting conservative and running, mixed in with a screen pass and punting. That does not get you drafted anywhere close to #1. However, I wouldn't say it was Wilcox not knowing Mendoza was good as much as it was Wilcox's discomfort with prolific high scoring passing offenses, his desire to win with defense, and his mistaken belief that "Four touchdowns is enough" and once you have that it is up to the defense to hold the other team to less.
HearstMining said:SFCityBear said:
Cal has a history of hiring coaches who can bring very talented quarterbacks to Cal. Going back only as far as when the forward pass became a major skill needed to define a great quarterback, Pappy Waldorf was a man who could spot talent, evaluated and sign such a player. I think his first such recruit to Cal was Bob Celeri, who led Cal to the 1950 Rose Bowl, making 2nd team All American. That was followed by Pappy signing Paul Larson who led the nation in total offense in 1953, and led the nation in passing in 1954. In those days, players played both offense and defense, and along with being the quarterback, Larson played a defensive back, where his career of 12 interceptions has him tied for 3rd on Cal's all-time list. He could also kick PATs and FGs if needed. He was named a Consensus All American.
During Larson's career, Waldorf also recruited Ronnie Knox, who I believe was rated by some as the top QB recruit in the nation. Knox did not like the idea of playing behind Larson, so his father Harvey Knox became more involved and tried to pressure Pappy to play his son. Waldorf refused, and Knox transferred to UCLA, as I remember.
Pappy later recruited Joe Kapp, but he had no more scholarships to use. Pete Newell was also interested in Kapp to play basketball, Kapp ended up coming to Cal on a basketball scholarship. Kapp would become the quarterback on the football team, and also play on the basketball team. He would be named a football All-American, and led Cal to the the 1959 Rose Bowl.
Mike White deserves a special thanks for signing three of Cal's finest QBs, Steve Bartkowski, Vince Ferragamo, and the great Joe Roth.
And for the most inept coach (at Cal) to bring us a great quarterback, it was Marv Levy for signing Craig Morton.
Apologies to any Cal coach or quarterback I missed here.
Ray Willsey actually signed Bartkowski. Freshmen were not eligible to play, so Bart played on the frosh team during Willsey's last season at Cal. But White certainly deserves the credit for Bart's success.
graguna said:
He was signed as a free agent by the Chiefs
BearlyCareAnymore said:calumnus said:sycasey said:BearlyCareAnymore said:sycasey said:JOB said:
Wilcox brought in Mendoza. Dykes brought Goff. Tedford, Rodgers. Pretty good pulls, each of them.
He did get Mendoza and JKS. Though in Mendoza's case he didn't seem to realize he was good until he absolutely had to.
I'm not sure he ever realized he was good.
The way he took the ball out of his hands in late situations (like at Pitt) is evidence in your favor there.
Miami was worse. Every one of our "come from ahead" losses that year were characterized by building a lead with Mendoza throwing downfield then getting conservative and running, mixed in with a screen pass and punting. That does not get you drafted anywhere close to #1. However, I wouldn't say it was Wilcox not knowing Mendoza was good as much as it was Wilcox's discomfort with prolific high scoring passing offenses, his desire to win with defense, and his mistaken belief that "Four touchdowns is enough" and once you have that it is up to the defense to hold the other team to less.
Regardless of the offensive strategy, he started two horrible QB's over him, then recruited a transfer to take his job, but the transfer sucked. Which I'm sure did not make Mendoza feel very secure when we signed JKS which may have contributed to whatever comments Mendoza may or may not have made. And I think Mendoza was right to be insecure because I think there is a good shot that Wilcox would have started JKS given how good JKS is and Wilcox's failure to see that he had a very good QB who was held back by his own incompetence as a coach.
sycasey said:calumnus said:SouthKBear said:
Totally irrelevant and truly not worth the comment. However, I'm curious if Jadyn Ott, endres and J Mike have stayed Would they have gotten drafted sooner or even at all? I believe Mendoza would have still probably gone the number one pick. If you look at Jared Goff, he was a number one pick with a five and seven record maybe six and six. All in all we'll see if they get invited for tryouts or is their career done people never seem to learn their lesson that the grass is never greener on the other side, maybe patches only have green grass
Goff broke passing records and Cal, that is why he went #1. No way Mendoza goes number 1 if he stays, at least not this draft. At Indiana he was on the #3 scoring offense, won the Heisman and the National Championship. Cal had a great QB and yet we had the #86 offense, plagued by WR drops and the second worst running attack in D1. If Fernando stayed we would be looking at how good he might be in this, his senior year as he completes his Haas MBA.
Cal also went 8-5 in Goff's final year. I would say that was a disappointing result with a QB like that (part of why I was ready to move on from Sonny), but it wasn't 6-6.
No way Mendoza gets to be the #1 pick under Wilcox. Drafted, yes perhaps. Going to a national championship team and a lot to do with the rest.
SouthKBear said:
Totally irrelevant and truly not worth the comment. However, I'm curious if Jadyn Ott, endres and J Mike have stayed Would they have gotten drafted sooner or even at all? I believe Mendoza would have still probably gone the number one pick. If you look at Jared Goff, he was a number one pick with a five and seven record maybe six and six. All in all we'll see if they get invited for tryouts or is their career done people never seem to learn their lesson that the grass is never greener on the other side, maybe patches only have green grass
