I don't think we're very good at football.

Hey, we won the first half!

Year 1 of Tosh is a huge disappointment.

If we're stuck with Tosh, we just have to hope he learns and makes the changes we need. This is definitely not a Chesney-style turnaround for sure.

Hopefully we are less of an embarrassment in year 2 or 3. This year is basically done for, although I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

K1min8r said:

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This year is basically done for, although I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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If we totally crash out the rest of the year there could be actions done behind the scenes for him to resign at a lower buyout

In the age of NIL and the portal you can't really lean on the "this is Wilcox's" team excuse for this kind of play. Dykes' first year was so hard to watch, but a comparable situation. Goff and a bunch of misfits plus bad assistant fits vs JKS and . . whatever this bunch of bodies is. The big difference being no way to transfer in a bunch of players to dump the old regime. Not til the portal launched in 2018.

Strykur said:

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K1min8r said:

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This year is basically done for, although I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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If we totally crash out the rest of the year there could be actions done behind the scenes for him to resign at a lower buyout

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I didn't think we'd be able to raise the level of money we did for this year - mostly wasted.

but do you really think donors would come in again for a potential $20M+ buyout? Kinda seems unlikely, but I didn't think we'd raise what we did for this year.

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In the age of NIL and the portal you can't really lean on the "this is Wilcox's" team excuse for this kind of play. Dykes' first year was so hard to watch, but a comparable situation. Goff and a bunch of misfits plus bad assistant fits vs JKS and . . whatever this bunch of bodies is. The big difference being no way to transfer in a bunch of players to dump the old regime. Not til the portal launched in 2018.

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If Tosh took over last year with a freshman JKS these results would be understandable, but last year we were a bowl team with a few good wins and not a total rebuild, now we require a rebuild and Tosh may not make it

K1min8r said:

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Hopefully we are less of an embarrassment in year 2 or 3. This year is basically done for, although I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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1.) Hope is not an investment strategy.

2.) There's no evidence that says that this team can get better. Another game of 11 penalties for 108 yards.

3.) Observe what is happening and assume it will continue.

4.) The realignment window does not allow us another 2 years to figure this out.

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I don't think we're very good at football.

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Right and I don't think we really care - it's been the mantra since JT elevated our hopes. You know, go 6-6, beat Stanfurd and get the Cheetos Bowl. Why for example are we still here?? Hopes like today that somehow magically we would play SMU hard and maybe even win?? Look who we hired? A clown who doesn't know what he's doing but he had some kind of pedigree background. He sold us the world and we bought it. And Raphael just pushed it into our faces today as he must feel so fortunate he got the F out when he did.

K1min8r said:

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I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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Based on what evidence?

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Haloski said:

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I don't think we're very good at football.

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Right and I don't think we really care - it's been the mantra since JT elevated our hopes. You know, go 6-6, beat Stanfurd and get the Cheetos Bowl. Why for example are we still here?? Hopes like today that somehow magically we would play SMU hard and maybe even win?? Look who we hired? A clown who doesn't know what he's doing but he had some kind of pedigree background. He sold us the world and we bought it. And Raphael just pushed it into our faces today as he must feel so fortunate he got the F out when he did.

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I can't remember the last game I just shut it off and stopped watching.

This game was so frustrating, I shut it off in 3Q.

I do think many of us after so many years of this, are really close to finally quitting.

Tosh needs to make a lot of changes now. You make the big bucks, make the big changes. If we can't get rid of him, he'd better figure it out and stop blaming fans. It's not on us. Can't blame us, we've done our part and gone to the games.

Huge inflection point right now in Cal Football.

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K1min8r said:

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I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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Based on what evidence?

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Not evidence, just position. We're close to rock bottom.

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Dead Bear bounce is not a strategy.

K1min8r said:

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72CalBear said:

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Haloski said:

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I don't think we're very good at football.

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Right and I don't think we really care - it's been the mantra since JT elevated our hopes. You know, go 6-6, beat Stanfurd and get the Cheetos Bowl. Why for example are we still here?? Hopes like today that somehow magically we would play SMU hard and maybe even win?? Look who we hired? A clown who doesn't know what he's doing but he had some kind of pedigree background. He sold us the world and we bought it. And Raphael just pushed it into our faces today as he must feel so fortunate he got the F out when he did.

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I do think many of us after so many years of this, are really close to finally quitting.

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I sat through every home game of the 2013 season and thought I could stick through anything but after losing to a dog**** NC State team in 2024 I called it after Big Game and haven't been back since, now just passively watching

What is amazing that Cal hasn't been able to correct their offensive line issues that have plagued our running attack and pass protections for too many seasons. Third string undersized running back, along with second string center and guard equates to 40 yards of rushing. Maddening

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What is amazing that Cal hasn't been able to correct their offensive line issues that have plagued our running attack and pass protections for too many seasons. Third string undersized running back, along with second string center and guard equates to 40 yards of rushing. Maddening

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We may have to overhaul strength and conditioning because we have too many 300+ pound guys to not even rush for half a field

K1min8r said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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K1min8r said:

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TouchedTheAxeIn82 said:

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K1min8r said:

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I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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Based on what evidence?

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Not evidence, just position. We're close to rock bottom.

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Dead Bear bounce is not a strategy.

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no offense dawg, but it seems like you're angry and just looking to take it out on someone.

#madattheworld

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Mad? No.

i have been laughing at this clown show for a decade.

It's sad that I'm almost nostalgic for Holmoe now. I certainly prefer Wilcox over what we're getting now.

I know we're not firing Tosh but we'd better redo the rest of this terrible coaching staff.

K1min8r said:

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Year 1 of Tosh is a huge disappointment.

If we're stuck with Tosh, we just have to hope he learns and makes the changes we need. This is definitely not a Chesney-style turnaround for sure.

Hopefully we are less of an embarrassment in year 2 or 3. This year is basically done for, although I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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I have not seen anything that I like, TBH. Tosh's bravado and jock mentality would be dope if he could win. But now it just sounds like we are getting a stipend from the government to provide him work.

None of the three phases are playing at average. None of the units are doing well.

Honestly, the only thing worth anything is individual play, and that is on sale at the end of November.

ninetyfourbear said:

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It's sad that I'm almost nostalgic for Holmoe now. I certainly prefer Wilcox over what we're getting now.

I know we're not firing Tosh but we'd better redo the rest of this terrible coaching staff.

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It was during the halcyon Tedford days but I remember listening to us beat Oregon State over radio, seems quaint but to see us falling out of the major college football scene makes me think about minutiae like that

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ninetyfourbear said:

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It's sad that I'm almost nostalgic for Holmoe now. I certainly prefer Wilcox over what we're getting now.

I know we're not firing Tosh but we'd better redo the rest of this terrible coaching staff.

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It was during the halcyon Tedford days but I remember listening to us beat Oregon State over radio, seems quaint but to see us falling out of the major college football scene makes me think about minutiae like that

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Those early Tedford years were such a joy.

Strykur said:

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K1min8r said:

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This year is basically done for, although I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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If we totally crash out the rest of the year there could be actions done behind the scenes for him to resign at a lower buyout

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As unlikely as that is, it's our only hope.

K1min8r said:

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Year 1 of Tosh is a huge disappointment.

If we're stuck with Tosh, we just have to hope he learns and makes the changes we need. This is definitely not a Chesney-style turnaround for sure.


Hopefully we are less of an embarrassment in year 2 or 3. This year is basically done for, although I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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Tosh doesn't have it. Wilcox 2.0. Hope we don't waste time
coming to that conclusion.

ninetyfourbear said:

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It's sad that I'm almost nostalgic for Holmoe now. I certainly prefer Wilcox over what we're getting now.

I know we're not firing Tosh but we'd better redo the rest of this terrible coaching staff.

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It doesn't matter if we are still stuck with Tosh.

CalBarn said:

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K1min8r said:

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Year 1 of Tosh is a huge disappointment.

If we're stuck with Tosh, we just have to hope he learns and makes the changes we need. This is definitely not a Chesney-style turnaround for sure.


Hopefully we are less of an embarrassment in year 2 or 3. This year is basically done for, although I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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Tosh doesn't have it. Wilcox 2.0. Hope we don't waste time
coming to that conclusion.

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Holmoe 3.0.

Ron Rivera's legacy to Cal, his beloved alma mater, was to raise a bunch of NIL$ and give it to one of the worst football hires in the history of Cal football. He's made his salary but he sure didn't earn it. He owes us big time.Or, is he going to take the money and run? He should coach this team from here on out. But I don't think he has the guts to do so.

K1min8r said:

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Year 1 of Tosh is a huge disappointment.

If we're stuck with Tosh, we just have to hope he learns and makes the changes we need. This is definitely not a Chesney-style turnaround for sure.

Hopefully we are less of an embarrassment in year 2 or 3. This year is basically done for, although I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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Honest question: why? What has the coaching staff done to make you think they'll be able to get the team to play better?

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TouchedTheAxeIn82 said:

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K1min8r said:

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I do expect us to get better in our remaining games.

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Based on what evidence?

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Not evidence, just position. We're close to rock bottom.

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I disagree.
I think you'll be surprised at how much worse it gets.