tommie317;543357 said:

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Look at the logic in your post again and tell me you don't need some remedial math classes or maybe you can work for s&p

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I agree the need is not for one position but for FIVE OL positions. The recruiting lists break offenses into more position categories than defenses, but the total number on offense or defense (11) doesn't change. Offensive line is the biggest number of positions required (5) for an offense. Having ten running backs and ten linemen is really a big numbers imbalance, especially if the second back in a formation is a blocker/fullback. While it is not likely to see a 5 to 1 ratio of linemen to RBs; 1 to 1 shows lack of depth in the OL.

LafayetteBear;543537 said:

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No argument here that there is more depth. My concern is that much of that depth (both Plan A and Plan B guys) has already committed elsewhere (or is strongly leaning elsewhere), while at the same time, we have not received a single verbal commitment from an offensive lineman. I am still hopeful that we can get at least two of the following: Tagaloa, Simmons, Garnett and Murphy. (I believe Banner is wishful thinking at this point, based upon his apparent love for the Trojans.) But I believe we need more than just a few guys. I trust that JT and Co. are talking to a number of Plan B offensive linemen. The fact that we have heard nothing about that is not surprising. Maybe they are slow playing some of these Plan B guys, and that is not something either Cal or the recruit would want to be made public...

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garnett, banner, simmons, murphy, tagaloa, fanaika, cochran, williams, westbrook, oliver, adcock, villanueva, dean, edinburgh, taito, and dickman

at least 16 guys (probably much more i don't know about) are not yet committed, and will consider Cal. i've removed the leans (peat, stanley, cyburt, etc.)

personally, i think we'll get 3 out of:
Garnett, Banner, Simmons, Murphy, Tagaloa, Fanaika, Cochran

another 2-4 out of (once offered, if needed):
Williams, Westbrook, Oliver, Adcock, Villanueva, Dean, Edinburgh, Taito, and Dickman

I'd venture that Tagaloa is ours to lose. Cochran could be ours too if Bama doesn't offer. That's already two likely suspects of the top group. I think we could swing Garnett as well. Let's say that's as optimistic as I get. That's 3 big commitments. And then you could fill in the rest of the space w/ the non-offered crowd.

LafayetteBear;543554 said:

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Good post, BE. Fanaika, Williams, Westbrook, Dean, Edinburgh, Taito and Dickman (there's an optimistic surname!) are all names I am unfamiliar with. Would I be correct in assuming that Cal has offered all of them?

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nope. "(once offered, if needed)", they're all on the staff's radar (i've heard them mentioned once or twice), but none offered as of yet. some popped up at camp, like Fanaika. Williams just came down last weekend from WA from an unofficial. although i can't figure out why Williams hasn't been offered yet...he's good...

LafayetteBear;543537 said:

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Max: It's not clear to me whose post you are responding to. It's often obvious if you are able to get your post to appear immediately after the one you are responding to but, frequently, someone else replies first and then it become difficult to figure out. Perhaps you could use the "quote" button a bit more often in order to eliminate the confusion?

In this case, it appears that Beeasyed thought you were responding to his post, but I hardly think so, since he was making the case for there being a deep recruiting class, and essentially telling folks to be patient. It seems clear, to me at least, that you are in essential agreement with him.

Assuming you were responding to me, I understand your point about flipping verbal commitments, but the fact is that the VAST majority of verbal commitments turn into letters of intent. And, while we have in fact gotten top classes in the last few years (and will do so this year as well), they have quite clearly featured a DEARTH of offensive linemen. Last year, when Rigsbee was the only Plan A offensive linemen we got, the word from JT and Co. was that the pickings were slim, there was not sufficient depth in the 2011 class to justify going after the Plan B guys, and that Cal would make recruitment of offensive linemen a priority in 2012 since there would be much more depth in the 2012 class.

No argument here that there is more depth. My concern is that much of that depth (both Plan A and Plan B guys) has already committed elsewhere (or is strongly leaning elsewhere), while at the same time, we have not received a single verbal commitment from an offensive lineman. I am still hopeful that we can get at least two of the following: Tagaloa, Simmons, Garnett and Murphy. (I believe Banner is wishful thinking at this point, based upon his apparent love for the Trojans.) But I believe we need more than just a few guys. I trust that JT and Co. are talking to a number of Plan B offensive linemen. The fact that we have heard nothing about that is not surprising. Maybe they are slow playing some of these Plan B guys, and that is not something either Cal or the recruit would want to be made public.

One guy who has not receive much attention, but whom I am hoping comes to Cal, is Matt Cochran the center at Buhach Colony (and Aziz Shittu's teammate). He is waiting to see if he gets an offer from the Tide (where his dad played), and according to Coach Sam, he will take that offer if it comes. I certainly hope it does not. Rivals is saying that we will know in the "next two weeks" if Alabama is going to offer Cochran. A 6-4 340-pound center coached up by Sam Parker is someone Cal could surely use. Auburn obviously thinks so, since they just offered him.

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Well what often happens is, I read an entire thread of people taking what little facts they possess, spinning them into the worst possible scenario they can possibly imagine, and then presenting that as a factual statement.

From my perspective, given the huge changes in the program and facilities, and the fact that we have just landed two of the best recruiting classes in the history of Cal Football, that these coaches know what they're doing when it comes to recruiting. Simply because some people on here had a target in their mind of when they'd like certain guys to commit that have not yet is not evidence of a problem.

maxer;543571 said:

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well what often happens is, i read an entire thread of people taking what little facts they possess, spinning them into the worst possible scenario they can possibly imagine, and then presenting that as a factual statement.

From my perspective, given the huge changes in the program and facilities, and the fact that we have just landed two of the best recruiting classes in the history of cal football, that these coaches know what they're doing when it comes to recruiting. Simply because some people on here had a target in their mind of when they'd like certain guys to commit that have not yet is not evidence of a problem.

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this !!!!

tommie317;543083 said:

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Thanks Chairman. lol

I've actually toned down my rhetoric recently as there are other things in the world to be more negative about than recruiting.

I'm sure this post will be referenced after LOI day.

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Maybe even before LOI day......some birdie on another board who usually knows what is going on said this:...(rules prohibit providing link)

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Re: landing a 5* on the DL, we lead for one now, though whether DE or DL, probably best not to get into. We look like we might pull 3-4 guys who are 5* talents on one service or another (we already have a 5* WR, per Scout). We could wind up with 5-6. Seriously, this could be the recruiting class of all recruiting classes.

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This is what everyone probably cares about, but the most exciting names cannot be made public. We are at the top with a number of top OL prospects. One guy needs to get his grades up, if he does, he'll almost certainly be a Bear. People are probably most interested in OTs, and one guy I can mention is a local kid, Tagaloa, though he will NOT step right in and play as a true freshman, he will need a year or two despite his size, Coach M. will be great for him. At last check, I can say that no one is ahead of Cal for Tagaloa at the moment.

Let's put it this way: if things hold up as they are right now, everyone will be very happy with the OL class. It should be the highest rated OL class in the Tedford era.

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I think this is the OL sunshine pumping everyone's been craving.

patzcalski;545010 said:

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I think this is the OL sunshine pumping everyone's been craving.

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I really just wanted to brighten tommie and LafayetteBear's day since they are very nervous about our recruiting......LOL.... all signs point to an amazing class

Being nervous about the whole class and being nervous about the OLine recruiting are two different things.

Cal_Fan2;544991 said:

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Maybe even before LOI day......some birdie on another board who usually knows what is going on said this:...(rules prohibit providing link)

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I guess you are already referencing the post.

My thoughts: I assume the 3 x 5 stars are Shittu, Thompson, and Treggs. Tagaloa has always been Cal lean. Any more and it seems like it's up in the air. So nothing really new mentioned in the post for the past 3 weeks or so. I'm glad things are going well but so far, only 2 OL that we may get, I'd like to hear more.

Cal_Fan2;544991 said:

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Let's put it this way: if things hold up as they are right now, everyone will be very happy with the OL class. It should be the highest rated OL class in the Tedford era.

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This is saying something. The class with Schwartz, Schwenke, MSG, the kid from SI who just retired and one other who also escapes me (Cheadle?), was pretty highly rated.

Of course, that is tempered with the reality that highly rated OL classes do not necessarily mean effective OL play.

MisterNoodle;545473 said:

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This is saying something. The class with Schwartz, Schwenke, MSG, the kid from SI who just retired and one other who also escapes me (Cheadle?), was pretty highly rated.

Of course, that is tempered with the reality that highly rated OL classes do not necessarily mean effective OL play.

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The class you are thinking of was Schwartz, MSG, Cheadle, DeMartinis, and Huber. They were going to lead us to a Rose Bowl.

I'm sure if he could, CF2 would be Happy to tell you who it is and if you knew, you may Cheer, but you'd have to Bear in mind that what a recruit may say to a Scout today could change before LOI day.

MisterNoodle;545473 said:

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This is saying something. The class with Schwartz, Schwenke, MSG, the kid from SI who just retired and one other who also escapes me (Cheadle?), was pretty highly rated.

Of course, that is tempered with the reality that highly rated OL classes do not necessarily mean effective OL play.

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Obviously, not every recruit lives up to their star ranking but I like our chances of maximizing talent and production with coach M on staff.

OaktownBear;545477 said:

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I'm sure if he could, CF2 would be Happy to tell you who it is and if you knew, you may Cheer, but you'd have to Bear in mind that what a recruit may say to a Scout today could change before LOI day.

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Exactly......

I think Tim provides better regurgitated info than sadboobeer

tommie317;545499 said:

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I think Tim provides better regurgitated info than sadboobeer

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Thanks?

dajo9;545476 said:

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The class you are thinking of was Schwartz, MSG, Cheadle, DeMartinis, and Huber. They were going to lead us to a Rose Bowl.

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its still not technically too late for them to do that... just saying