What is delusional is that they think this charade would give them legal cover.

sp4149;544961 said:

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FWIW San Diego State considers itself a research institution. The Academic Analytics 2010 Faculty Scholarly Productivity Index* ranks SDSU the number one small research university in the nation. FWIW

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Interesting. Of course, "small research university" applies to the small number of doctoral programs not the student enrollment (which exceeds Cal's). Based on that criterion, one can say that SD State is not a real research university. Indeed, if Cal State Northridge (which has perhaps the least competitive admissions in the CSU system) were to add a couple of PhD programs, it too could be a "small research university."

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_cfb224c6-9624-5d43-892a-47f4da048be5.html

Pitch Black;544798 said:

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That would be pretty funny. But to be honest, I would much rather have TAMU than Texas Tech. TAMU is more prestigious, better market, superior academically and have fans nationwide. Tech is.....well.....in Lubbock and that's about it.

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They have always looked east to the SEC. They really do want to separate themselves from UT. If they wanted to maintain a traditional game with UT they could - just like Utah and BYU will do. Funny, when Arkansas left the SW Conference for the SEC, their rivalry with UT ended - and it used to be a big deal...............

liverflukes;544901 said:

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:rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh:

Only THujone would think to rip Ol Miss while tearing up Aggie...

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And again:rollinglaugh::bravo

People often (mistakenly) call Texas "the South". It isn't, it's its own thing. But College Station... is about as close as you get to the South in Texas. Not surprising they feel a cultural connection to the South that the rest of Texas doesn't.

I still think they need another school before this is a done deal. I just can't see the SEC being ready to adopt lopsided conferences to pick up TAMU. And so far, all of the rumors have been pretty stiffly shot down, not that it means they're all wrong...

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If they wanted to maintain a traditional game with UT they could - just like Utah and BYU will do. Funny, when Arkansas left the SW Conference for the SEC, their rivalry with UT ended - and it used to be a big deal...............

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The strong impression is that while A&M might want to maintain their rivalry with Texas, the feeling is probably not mutual. Just like Arkansas, this move will likely signal the end of their yearly rivalry game.

elpbear;545036 said:

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People often (mistakenly) call Texas "the South". It isn't, it's its own thing. But College Station... is about as close as you get to the South in Texas. Not surprising they feel a cultural connection to the South that the rest of Texas doesn't.

I still think they need another school before this is a done deal. I just can't see the SEC being ready to adopt lopsided conferences to pick up TAMU. And so far, all of the rumors have been pretty stiffly shot down, not that it means they're all wrong...

The strong impression is that while A&M might want to maintain their rivalry with Texas, the feeling is probably not mutual. Just like Arkansas, this move will likely signal the end of their yearly rivalry game.

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There has always been a duel nature in Texas:

Is Texas a Southern State?
1. Slavery
2. Cotton is a major crop
3. Large African American population
4. Joined the Confederacy
5. History of Jim Crow, KKK, lynchings, etc.
6. BBQ
7. Hot and Humid weather

Is Texas a Western State?
1. Formerly part of Mexico
2. Cattle ranching and cowboy culture
3. Very large (plurality?) Hispanic population
4. Multi-ethnic
5. Good well funded public university
6. Tech industry
7. Entrepreneurial spirit
8. Mexican food
9. Whole Foods HQ--liberal, eco-friendly, educated (concentrated in Austin)--elected Ann Richards as governor
10. Dry and dusty weather

southseasbear;544966 said:

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Interesting. Of course, "small research university" applies to the small number of doctoral programs not the student enrollment (which exceeds Cal's). Based on that criterion, one can say that SD State is not a real research university. Indeed, if Cal State Northridge (which has perhaps the least competitive admissions in the CSU system) were to add a couple of PhD programs, it too could be a "small research university."

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_cfb224c6-9624-5d43-892a-47f4da048be5.html

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Perhaps, but I got this straight from Wikipedia:

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The Carnegie Foundation has designated San Diego State University a "Research University with high research activity." SDSU is the only California State University campus with this classification, which places it among the top 200 higher education institutions in the country conducting research. Notably, pursuant to the Faculty Scholarly Productivity Index (FSP Index) released by the Academic Analytics organization of Stony Brook, NY, SDSU is the number one small research university in the United States as of the last four (4) academic years, from 2005-2006 through the 2009-2010 academic years. In 2010, The Daily Beast ranked SDSU No.21 in its list of "Tech's 29 Most Powerful Colleges."

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I don't really think its a question of academics with SDSU. They have it. I got my Masters Degree there in Poli Sci. I can tell you that SDSU has come along way from the party days of the 80s and early 90s. When I was there in 97-99, they kicked out a large number of students who were on AP. I think their clinical psychology (forensic), criminology and business programs are actually very good. I think the question is competitiveness. They are getting better. Had they kept Brady Hoke - I think they would certainly be on their way back in football.

My preference would be a West Coast school for any addition to the Pac-12. SDSU would be great but I think their football program isn't there just yet.

philly1121;545084 said:

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Perhaps, but I got this straight from Wikipedia:



I don't really think its a question of academics with SDSU. They have it. I got my Masters Degree there in Poli Sci. I can tell you that SDSU has come along way from the party days of the 80s and early 90s. When I was there in 97-99, they kicked out a large number of students who were on AP. I think their clinical psychology (forensic), criminology and business programs are actually very good. I think the question is competitiveness. They are getting better. Had they kept Brady Hoke - I think they would certainly be on their way back in football.

My preference would be a West Coast school for any addition to the Pac-12. SDSU would be great but I think their football program isn't there just yet.

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I agree Philly...not sure how much of a research university they are being a state univ., but I actually got my Masters Degree in Industrial/Organizational Psychology from SDSU back in the 80s and it was decently ranked back then for that grad. program....

Texas links the south to the west. El Paso is further west than Denver

Cal_Fan2;545118 said:

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I agree Philly...not sure how much of a research university they are being a state univ., but I actually got my Masters Degree in Industrial/Organizational Psychology from SDSU back in the 80s and it was decently ranked back then for that grad. program....

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Merge San Diego State and UCSD and they would be third in the Pac-whatever in Nobel Prizes behind only Cal and Stanford (yes ahead of UCLA, USC, Washington, Texas...) and you could end the debate :p

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Houston is more of a Southern city (swampy area relatively close to Louisiana), the other TX big metro areas not as much. Dallas is more western and San Antonio a lot more Mexican. Texas A&M has a bigger profile in Houston, to which it is closer.

anyone? They appear to be geographically screwed with no place to go. Maybe they can hang with the Kansas schools as they look for a home..........

I haven't seen or heard of an Iowa State fallback plan. Maybe they plan on applying to the MWC or the Big Ten if the Big XII falls apart.

dinan3;545217 said:

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anyone? They appear to be geographically screwed with no place to go. Maybe they can hang with the Kansas schools as they look for a home..........

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Their fallback plan is Canada and the Dakotas.

DavidDempster;545227 said:

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I haven't seen or heard of an Iowa State fallback plan. Maybe they plan on applying to the MWC or the Big Ten if the Big XII falls apart.

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This maybe strange logic, but I think there might be something to having built in cupcakes in one's conference schedule. ISU wouldn't be that poor of a fit for the BT. They are a very decent school (I know a few grads, from aerospace I think... all cool people), it's in the AAU, and ranked better than oregon, asu, wsu, nebraska, tennesee (or most of the SEC), etc. it's just not that close to a major metro area. If the BT is ever looking at schools like syracuse and conneticutt, ISU just seems to fit the BT personality better. But they still are Iowa State, and their athletic programs have a lot to be desired.

Cal88;545166 said:

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Houston is more of a Southern city (swampy area relatively close to Louisiana), the other TX big metro areas not as much. Dallas is more western and San Antonio a lot more Mexican. Texas A&M has a bigger profile in Houston, to which it is closer.

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Houston is a UT city....silly Aggies....

elpbear;545036 said:

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People often (mistakenly) call Texas "the South". It isn't, it's its own thing. But College Station... is about as close as you get to the South in Texas. Not surprising they feel a cultural connection to the South that the rest of Texas doesn't.

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This doesn't look too southern to me:

philly1121;545084 said:

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Perhaps, but I got this straight from Wikipedia:



I don't really think its a question of academics with SDSU. They have it. I got my Masters Degree there in Poli Sci. I can tell you that SDSU has come along way from the party days of the 80s and early 90s. When I was there in 97-99, they kicked out a large number of students who were on AP. I think their clinical psychology (forensic), criminology and business programs are actually very good. I think the question is competitiveness. They are getting better. Had they kept Brady Hoke - I think they would certainly be on their way back in football.

My preference would be a West Coast school for any addition to the Pac-12. SDSU would be great but I think their football program isn't there just yet.

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SD State is not a good fit for the Pac 12+:

(1) Even the passage from Wikipedia you quote refers to it as a "small research university" small based on the small number of doctorate degrees.

(2) Being in the top 200 (according to your quotation) isn't going to cut it. Although I don't believe in USN&WR, those rankings are instructive for purposes of comparison among state schools:

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• Texas - 45
  
• Oklahoma - 111
  
• OK State - 132
  
• Texas Tech - 159
  
• SD State - 183
  

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(3) SD State has no natural or geographic rival, unlike every other school in the conference as well as the prospective ones (granted, Colorado/Utah was a bit of a stretch but at least it was do-able.

(4) They bring no new geographic area to the conference in terms of recruiting as the 4 California schools (and others in the conference) already recruit in the SD area (or beyond as in Brawley, home of Michael Mohamed).

(5) They bring no new geographic area in terms of viewership of the Pac-## network, as our region already includes the entire state.

(6) Adding them to the conference would elevate their status, making them more competitive to our detriment (compare to the lack of value they add, as discussed in #4, above).

(7) The 4 California schools will not allow a fifth (and possibly 6th if we try to include some artificial rival - see #3, above) school from the state when there are out-of-state alternatives that will expand to rather than compete with what is already established.

In short: it won't be SD State. In a worst case desperate-to-expand scenario, we would add Colorado State and Utah State before inviting the Aztecs.

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This maybe strange logic, but I think there might be something to having built in cupcakes in one's conference schedule. ISU wouldn't be that poor of a fit for the BT. They are a very decent school (I know a few grads, from aerospace I think... all cool people), it's in the AAU, and ranked better than oregon, asu, wsu, nebraska, tennesee (or most of the SEC), etc. it's just not that close to a major metro area. If the BT is ever looking at schools like syracuse and conneticutt, ISU just seems to fit the BT personality better. But they still are Iowa State, and their athletic programs have a lot to be desired.

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Iowa State is a darn good school that would be a great fit in the Big-10 (16?). According to Wikipedia:

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Overall, ISU ranks #94 in the U.S. News & World Report ranking of national universities[19] and #21 in the Washington Monthly rankings. In engineering specialties, at schools whose highest degree is a doctorate, Iowa State's agricultural engineering program is ranked third among top programs in the U.S. Aerospace engineering ranks 13th among public universities (18th overall). Chemical engineering and civil engineering both are ranked 13th among public universities (20th overall). Materials engineering is ranked 11th among public universities (17th overall). The electrical engineering program is ranked 25th and computer engineering program ranked 23rd out of all public programs.[20] The programs ranked 41st and 39th, respectively, out of all public and private programs in the country. Computer Science ranked 37th among public programs. Overall, Iowa State's engineering program ranks 37th. In 2009, ISU ranked 12th for top architecture programs in the nation and as obtained these rankings for years. In 2010, ISU's Greenlee School of Journalism and Communication was cited as one of the leading research programs in the nation, ranked 23rd in a publication by the AEJMC.[21]

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Also, they have a darn good looking bell tower: http://www.google.com/imgres?q=iowa+state+campanile&um=1&hl=en&client=safari&sa=N&rls=en&biw=1191&bih=623&tbm=isch&tbnid=CpTBrQEiLo_llM:&imgrefurl=http://www.lib.iastate.edu/arch/campanile/campanile.html&docid=xYjf5tkqpfhnvM&w=735&h=532&ei=PeVJTo-mJs7TiAKdz9iiBw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=245&vpy=133&dur=4448&hovh=191&hovw=264&tx=206&ty=86&page=1&tbnh=124&tbnw=172&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

ColoradoBear1;545238 said:

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This maybe strange logic, but I think there might be something to having built in cupcakes in one's conference schedule. ISU wouldn't be that poor of a fit for the BT. They are a very decent school (I know a few grads, from aerospace I think... all cool people), it's in the AAU, and ranked better than oregon, asu, wsu, nebraska, tennesee (or most of the SEC), etc. it's just not that close to a major metro area. If the BT is ever looking at schools like syracuse and conneticutt, ISU just seems to fit the BT personality better. But they still are Iowa State, and their athletic programs have a lot to be desired.

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Missouri and Kansas are higher up the list of B1G candidates. Iowa State really is in a limbo.

It's altar not alter though in this case both could fit.

southseasbear;545561 said:

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Iowa State is a darn good school that would be a great fit in the Big-10 (16?). According to Wikipedia:



Also, they have a darn good looking bell tower: http://www.google.com/imgres?q=iowa+state+campanile&um=1&hl=en&client=safari&sa=N&rls=en&biw=1191&bih=623&tbm=isch&tbnid=CpTBrQEiLo_llM:&imgrefurl=http://www.lib.iastate.edu/arch/campanile/campanile.html&docid=xYjf5tkqpfhnvM&w=735&h=532&ei=PeVJTo-mJs7TiAKdz9iiBw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=245&vpy=133&dur=4448&hovh=191&hovw=264&tx=206&ty=86&page=1&tbnh=124&tbnw=172&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

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Not only that, but Dr. John Atanasoff, a young physics professor at Iowa State University is arguably the one who invented or at least came up with the idea of the computer.....

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Smiley narrates the tale of a driven young Iowa State University physics professor searching for a way to improve the speed and accuracy of mathematical calculations. In 1936, Atanasoff and his colleague, A.E. Brandt, modified an IBM tabulator--which used punched cards to add or subtract values represented by the holes in the cards--to get it to perform in a better, faster, and more accurate way.

One December evening in 1937, Atanasoff, still struggling to hit upon a formula that would allow a machine to replicate the human brain, drove from Ames, Iowa, to Rock Island, Ill., where, over a bourbon and soda in a roadside tavern, he sketched his ideas for a machine that would become the computer. As with many scientific discoveries or inventions, however, the original genius behind the innovation is often obscured by later, more aggressive, and savvy scientists who covet the honor for themselves. Smiley weaves the stories of other claimants to the computer throne (Turing and von Neumann, among others) into Atanasoff's narrative, throwing into relief his own achievements.

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The Man Who Invented the Computer