remember him?

some people can never leave him alone. ..but this incredibly useless article inspired someone to bring him up again..I was hoping to read a positive piece on him, and will continue to look forward to that! BOOYA!

72CalBear;552156 said:

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some people can never leave him alone. ..but this incredibly useless article inspired someone to bring him up again..I was hoping to read a positive piece on him, and will continue to look forward to that! BOOYA!

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For better of for worse, I liked Joe. Never did him complain during his tenure at Cal. He got his degree. He clobbered UW at UW. Beat UofA. And led the comeback against WSU with the TD pass to Layrelle(sp?) Cunningham. Apparently he beat Illinois to, but I have no recollection of that at all.

--conducting a tour of a brewery in SF, don't know which one.

72CalBear;552156 said:

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I was hoping to read a positive piece on him, and will continue to look forward to that! BOOYA!

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LOL, you may be waiting awhile.

burritos mentioned the highlights of his time @ Cal (great memories btw), but i doubt there will ever be a substantial article on Joe.

He would probably be a heisman contender in chip kelly's offense. Just the wrong fit football-wise for us.

Bearsph74;552312 said:

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He would probably be a heisman contender in chip kelly's offense. Just the wrong fit football-wise for us.

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But then he might have picked up the bad habits of stealing laptops and driving 200 mph in the stix of oregon.

I've known a lot of Cal athletes in my 15 years here, and have never been more proud of one than Joe Ayoob.

He faced a crapstorm of negativity. I remember once a couple of coeds who did not know him, approached him on Sproul Plaza and asked if he was Joe Ayoob. He said "Yes" and in unison they chanted YOU SUCK. Joe kept his composure and walked away. The year after his collapse he tried hard to get his starting job back -- he worked with people to address his weaknesses, he tried and he tried, and while he never got that starting job again, he kept trying and never once whined or complained about the tough deal he had.

He graduated. He didn't assault any women. He didn't take money. He didn't cheat. He is one of the most honorable men I know, and these days I consider him a good friend.

Joe went thru more crap in public that most of us will ever face in our lives, and he stayed strong and true and never quit.

He's a good man.

And his name is Booya! spelled backwards. Just how cool is that?

TheAdvisingBear;552402 said:

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I've known a lot of Cal athletes in my 15 years here, and have never been more proud of one than Joe Ayoob.

He faced a crapstorm of negativity. I remember once a couple of coeds who did not know him, approached him on Sproul Plaza and asked if he was Joe Ayoob. He said "Yes" and in unison they chanted YOU SUCK. Joe kept his composure and walked away. The year after his collapse he tried hard to get his starting job back -- he worked with people to address his weaknesses, he tried and he tried, and while he never got that starting job again, he kept trying and never once whined or complained about the tough deal he had.

He graduated. He didn't assault any women. He didn't take money. He didn't cheat. He is one of the most honorable men I know, and these days I consider him a good friend.

Joe went thru more crap in public that most of us will ever face in our lives, and he stayed strong and true and never quit.

He's a good man.

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Thanks, good to hear.

TheAdvisingBear;552402 said:

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I've known a lot of Cal athletes in my 15 years here, and have never been more proud of one than Joe Ayoob.

He faced a crapstorm of negativity. I remember once a couple of coeds who did not know him, approached him on Sproul Plaza and asked if he was Joe Ayoob. He said "Yes" and in unison they chanted YOU SUCK. Joe kept his composure and walked away. The year after his collapse he tried hard to get his starting job back -- he worked with people to address his weaknesses, he tried and he tried, and while he never got that starting job again, he kept trying and never once whined or complained about the tough deal he had.

He graduated. He didn't assault any women. He didn't take money. He didn't cheat. He is one of the most honorable men I know, and these days I consider him a good friend.

Joe went thru more crap in public that most of us will ever face in our lives, and he stayed strong and true and never quit.

He's a good man.

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Glad to hear he is a stand up Bear. I bet Mansion is dealing with a lot of the same stuff now.

TheAdvisingBear;552403 said:

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And his name is Booya! spelled backwards. Just how cool is that?

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The last name Ayoob. What is that ethnically?

Lebanese, I believe

Armenian.

GB54;552404 said:

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Thanks, good to hear.

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+1

burritos;552421 said:

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The last name Ayoob. What is that ethnically?

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Lebanese, if I'm not mistaken.

burritos;552166 said:

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For better of for worse, I liked Joe. Never did him complain during his tenure at Cal. He got his degree. He clobbered UW at UW. Beat UofA. And led the comeback against WSU with the TD pass to Layrelle(sp?) Cunningham. Apparently he beat Illinois to, but I have no recollection of that at all.

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The guy always acted like a man and never like a whiny bitch like a certain former Cal QB who will remain unnamed to protect the guilty.

had a summer school class with him. was a funny guy

TheAdvisingBear;552402 said:

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I remember once a couple of coeds who did not know him, approached him on Sproul Plaza and asked if he was Joe Ayoob. He said "Yes" and in unison they chanted YOU SUCK. Joe kept his composure and walked away.

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Perhaps you both misheard the coeds and missed out on an epic night.

bearister;552449 said:

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The guy always acted like a man and never like a whiny bitch like a certain former Cal QB who will remain unnamed to protect the guilty.

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Rudy Carpenter?

GranadaHillsBear;552461 said:

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Perhaps you both misheard the coeds and missed out on an epic night.

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LOL

Say "you suck" 10x really fast.

burritos;552469 said:

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Rudy Carpenter?

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No, Dick Gozinya.

Bearsph74;552312 said:

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He would probably be a heisman contender in chip kelly's offense. Just the wrong fit football-wise for us.

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Agreed on both points.

FingeroftheBear;552233 said:

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Agreed. Ayoob was tossed into the fire (spread QB in pro-set, no experience) and unfortunately he didn't do well but he stuck it out, got his degree, didn't complain.

It's easy to measure the winners and tag the losers but life is a bit more complex then that.

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Life is full of winners and losers. Joe did not make it on the field. But apart from that he is a winner in the game of Life.

In some ways I have more respect for Ayoob than for Sweeney who left Cal to play for a Div.2 school.
He passed up a scholarship at Cal.
What does he get from playing Div. 2.
Maybe some temporary satisfaction of being on the field a year or two more.

If I were Ayoob's parent, I would be more proud of a son that graduated from Cal; than of a son who played a few years at a Div.2 school.

TheAdvisingBear;552402 said:

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I've known a lot of Cal athletes in my 15 years here, and have never been more proud of one than Joe Ayoob.

He faced a crapstorm of negativity. I remember once a couple of coeds who did not know him, approached him on Sproul Plaza and asked if he was Joe Ayoob. He said "Yes" and in unison they chanted YOU SUCK. Joe kept his composure and walked away. The year after his collapse he tried hard to get his starting job back -- he worked with people to address his weaknesses, he tried and he tried, and while he never got that starting job again, he kept trying and never once whined or complained about the tough deal he had.

He graduated. He didn't assault any women. He didn't take money. He didn't cheat. He is one of the most honorable men I know, and these days I consider him a good friend.

Joe went thru more crap in public that most of us will ever face in our lives, and he stayed strong and true and never quit.

He's a good man.

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Great post!

At Fan App Day, his senior year, I shook his hand and told him that all of us thousands of REAL Cal fans would be cheering him on and pulling for him to succeed. He seems like a great guy.

Found this on shaggybevo...laughed out loud....
http://www.totalprosports.com/2011/08/26/the-best-what-if-michael-vick-were-photoshop-jobs-pics/
some examples..
What if Michael Vick were a Ginger

What if Michael Vick were a Hurricane?

68great;552552 said:

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....If I were Ayoob's parent, I would be more proud of a son that graduated from Cal; than of a son who played a few years at a Div.2 school.

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I don't know Sweeney, but maybe his parents are proud of him because he is a good person who makes other people feel good after interacting with him. If the price tag of your parents being proud of you has a degree from a certain college attached to it then earning the pride of your parents seems hardly worth it.

68great;552552 said:

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Life is full of winners and losers. Joe did not make it on the field. But apart from that he is a winner in the game of Life.

In some ways I have more respect for Ayoob than for Sweeney who left Cal to play for a Div.2 school.
He passed up a scholarship at Cal.
What does he get from playing Div. 2.
Maybe some temporary satisfaction of being on the field a year or two more.

If I were Ayoob's parent, I would be more proud of a son that graduated from Cal; than of a son who played a few years at a Div.2 school.

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It's not inconceivable that Sweeney would want to follow his father and grandfather and go into coaching after college. If so, the experience of competing for QB1 (even at D2) would be invaluable. At best he would have been 4th string this year, which would not get him the reps or time with coaches to develop his knowledge of the game.

The individual choices made by Ayoob & Sweeney may have been the right ones for them. They are members of the Golden Bear family who do not deserve our disrespect or ridicule.

southseasbear;552721 said:

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It's not inconceivable that Sweeney would want to follow his father and grandfather and go into coaching after college. If so, the experience of competing for QB1 (even at D2) would be invaluable. At best he would have been 4th string this year, which would not get him the reps or time with coaches to develop his knowledge of the game.

The individual choices made by Ayoob & Sweeney may have been the right ones for them. They are members of the Golden Bear family who do not deserve our disrespect or ridicule.

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Well said

southseasbear;552721 said:

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It's not inconceivable that Sweeney would want to follow his father and grandfather and go into coaching after college. If so, the experience of competing for QB1 (even at D2) would be invaluable. At best he would have been 4th string this year, which would not get him the reps or time with coaches to develop his knowledge of the game.

The individual choices made by Ayoob & Sweeney may have been the right ones for them. They are members of the Golden Bear family who do not deserve our disrespect or ridicule.

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This is the Bear Insider right????
Soooo now we are not to be too judgmental????

burritos;552166 said:

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For better of for worse, I liked Joe. Never did him complain during his tenure at Cal. He got his degree. He clobbered UW at UW. Beat UofA. And led the comeback against WSU with the TD pass to Layrelle(sp?) Cunningham. Apparently he beat Illinois to, but I have no recollection of that at all.

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Cal would have beaten UCLA at Pasadena as well if our special teams did not keep punting the ball to Maurice Drew and have only 10 players on the field when UCLA faked a punt and ran the ball on 4th down. We rushed for 330 yards and Joe passed for 215 yards on 18 completions out of 35.

Yeah, what an idiot Sweeney is! He'll get to fulfill his dream of playing football and walk away with an Ivy League diploma!:headbang

GivemTheAxe;552744 said:

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This is the Bear Insider right????
Soooo now we are not to be too judgmental????

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No, we just can't express our disagreement with posters who are being judgmental.

SanseiBear;552746 said:

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Cal would have beaten UCLA at Pasadena as well if our special teams did not keep punting the ball to Maurice Drew and have only 10 players on the field when UCLA faked a punt and ran the ball on 4th down. We rushed for 330 yards and Joe passed for 215 yards on 18 completions out of 35.

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Joe played well enough to win that game. In addition to ST problems I recall some TE blunders. Ayoob had great potential but was pushed into action (due to Rodger's early departure and Longshore's untimely injury) before he was ready. One can only speculate what could have happened with time to learn the system and adjust from the very different CCSF spread; however, there is no dispute that he is a first class guy. I know many of us wish him success in whatever endeavor he chooses.

FingeroftheBear;552233 said:

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Agreed. Ayoob was tossed into the fire (spread QB in pro-set, no experience) and unfortunately he didn't do well but he stuck it out, got his degree, didn't complain.

It's easy to measure the winners and tag the losers but life is a bit more complex then that.

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Words of wisdom. Joe did well for himself in the school of hard knocks. Any complaints about his play on the field should be directed at JT. What was he thinking?