How many years before Tedford starts taking ST seriously?

How many years until fans start putting the blame on Tedford and not some poor assistant coach?


It is like they had not practiced until Friday.

He fired Alamar and hired Genyk, my guess is he takes it seriously. They didn't look good overall, I hope it gets better.

I think the greater priorities were fixing the OL & WR units that were horrible last year, making sure our new and inexperienced QB & TB were ready, and replacing the holes in the D due to graduation of star players drafted in the NFL.

There is no excuse for JT not to fix this special teams mess. Tavecchio has to go. He comes at a price we can't afford to pay anymore. Anger is totally inconsistent and can't be relied on. We have replacements for both that would be more predictable - if less exciting.............

we dodged a bullet with Giorgio Pinocchio yesterday (see UCLA game, margin of defeat, and Kip Smith)... Anger just needs to stop with the stupid rugby kicks. :headbang

Ummm.... how do we know that that's the problem, the he doesn't take it *seriously*? Maybe he just has a wrong approach to it period.

More likely, Anger and Tavechio are the best options we have. If the others were better they would be playing. Coverage teams were dramatically better than last year.

We replaced the Special Teams coach last year. The unit did appear to perform marginally better last season, not so much in the first game this year. But it was only one game, after all . . . I don't see the evidence that Tedford is not taking it seriously. Performance is another matter.

sycasey;559058 said:

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We replaced the Special Teams coach last year. The unit did appear to perform marginally better last season, not so much in the first game this year. But it was only one game, after all . . . I don't see the evidence that Tedford is not taking it seriously. Performance is another matter.

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We'll see when Tedford holds this unit accountable for their lousy play. I understand they're kids and it WAS the first game after all. If play, especially blocking doesn't improve, then we can rightfully call for Genyk's head.

I disagree that Tedford takes special teams seriously. The subpar performance over his entire tenure speaks volumes about how seriously he takes special teams. Then there was the fact that he stuck with a terrible special teams coach for years when it was obvious to over 50,000 armchair QBs that Alamar had to go.

Don't think I've ever seen two extra points blocked in a row. Ridiculous.

GranadaHillsBear;559094 said:

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We'll see when Tedford holds this unit accountable for their lousy play. I understand they're kids and it WAS the first game after all. If play, especially blocking doesn't improve, then we can rightfully call for Genyk's head.

I disagree that Tedford takes special teams seriously. The subpar performance over his entire tenure speaks volumes about how seriously he takes special teams. Then there was the fact that he stuck with a terrible special teams coach for years when it was obvious to over 50,000 armchair QBs that Alamar had to go.

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In Tedford's first season, he had a great Special Teams coached by Dave Ungerer. LaShaun Ward, Mick McGrath, Mark Jenkins did real well. I wish we can get him back to the staff.

GranadaHillsBear;559094 said:

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I disagree that Tedford takes special teams seriously. The subpar performance over his entire tenure speaks volumes about how seriously he takes special teams.

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There's been subpar qb performance for the last few years of his tenure, too, and nobody's arguing that that's because he doesn't take it seriously. He seems like a very serious guy in general- if anything over serious. But even when we were playing top ten calibre ball special teams were lacking. And changing coaches hasn't measurably improved things. So, yes, something just plain isn't right. I'm just not convinced that that something is lack of "seriousness" or putting effort in. I think it's more likely that the effort's been ineffective- just like so much of the effort with our passing game seemed to be recently.

winemakerbear;559033 said:

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More likely, Anger and Tavechio are the best options we have. If the others were better they would be playing. Coverage teams were dramatically better than last year.

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you are wrong! We have players on the roster that can consistently make extra points from two yards out and kick-off further - as well as punt more consistently............IMO

Step 1 is replacing Tavecchio. Step 2 is . . . I don't care. Just fulfill Step 1.

drunkoski;559222 said:

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Tedford needs to do what urban meyer and frank beamer does which is play starters on special teams.

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He does. It's almost all first unit.

Beside his very narrow substitution policy.....the weak kicking units also demonstrate to me that Tedford ain't a'changin'......and why should he?...afterall, he is a millionaire!

cjbarker;559027 said:

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Ummm.... how do we know that that's the problem, the he doesn't take it *seriously*? Maybe he just has a wrong approach to it period.

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Maybe if Tedford had taken the kicking game more seriously, he would've spent a scholarship to recruit a kicker.
Sure, projecting a kicker is difficult, but so is projecting a QB. And no coach is withholding scholarships for top QB's.

dinan3;559146 said:

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you are wrong! We have players on the roster that can consistently make extra points from two yards out and kick-off further - as well as punt more consistently............IMO

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Don't recall that Tavechio missed an extra point last year. Had a new holder yesterday. Hit his one field goal. Never has been very strong on kickoffs, but everyone else who has been used since his arrival has been worse. Who has shown that they are better?

cjbarker;559135 said:

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So, yes, something just plain isn't right. I'm just not convinced that that something is lack of "seriousness" or putting effort in. I think it's more likely that the effort's been ineffective- just like so much of the effort with our passing game seemed to be recently.

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Well, that's the point isn't it. If the players are not putting forth their best effort, then they need to be held accountable. That we have had really crappy special teams play week after week, year after year, is a pretty good indication that Tedford does NOT take special teams seriously. It took a massive fan revolt for him to "fire" Alamar (contract not renewed bull sh-t excuse). Be a man and a leader and just fire him.

One week of special teams failure does not make a trend, but 8 plus years sure does. We might give Genyk and Tedford a wee bit more slack since this was the first game of the season and at the windy Candlestick, but this crap has been going on for years.

No consistency, no good kicker in 8 plus years, poor discipline. When is this sh-t going to stop? What does it take for JT to get that kick in the a$$?

winemakerbear;559261 said:

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Don't recall that Tavechio missed an extra point last year. Had a new holder yesterday. Hit his one field goal. Never has been very strong on kickoffs, but everyone else who has been used since his arrival has been worse. Who has shown that they are better?

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Does anyone know why anger was the holder yesterday as opposed to mansion?

Anger is still one of top punters in nation. Genyk has screwed him up. Starts with this idiot MAC formation where we invite a rush up the middle and have 3-4 protectors, then BA has to take 4-5 steps to his right and kick it off the side of his foot. He needs the traditional formation, straight ahead kick. People are going to start crashing the point they anticipate him to kick from on that side, which has little protection formation wise - the protectors would have to shift from the center.

drunkoski;559123 said:

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Second one hit the back of the onlineman.

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Most teams go the entire season without having two kicks blocked...

Our kicker could have been the only guy on the field moving and had that blocked. We are lucky he did not concuss one of our linemen!



Anyway, the fact that our kicker cannot get a chip shot over a 6 foot dude 21 feet away is horrendous. The fact that this is nothing new (and that the ONLY decent part of Tedford ST's has been punting and Jackson) says volumes about how seriously Tedford treats that part of the game.

It appears Tavecchio has contracted the TyFreddie Syndrome. While Tavecchio may be the first Cal kicker to have consecutive PATs blocked, TyFreddie had consecutive FGs blocked.

imo, the basic problem with special teams is the same problem we have with poor execution/sloppiness on offense. IT'S A LACK OF PRACTICE REPS. We try to do so many different things on offense that it's impossible to give sufficient practice reps to any given play. And, if you can't practice your offensive plays enough, then you usually don't practice you special teams plays enough either.

drunkoski;559123 said:

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Second one hit the back of the onlineman.

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Maybe he did something to p!ss Tavecchio off.

Tedford, I blame you for the not taking ST seriously!! There, now it is done...Finding a placekicker just can't be that difficult (how that aspect of recruiting gets fixed, I have no idea, but it is pathetic), and the rugby punt is just stupid. OK, rant over.

LethalFang;559258 said:

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Maybe if Tedford had taken the kicking game more seriously, he would've spent a scholarship to recruit a kicker.

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You realize that we have spent scholies on PKs, right? In fact we are using up two scholarships right now on PKs - neither of which get on the field on Saturdays.

SmellinRoses;559106 said:

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Don't think I've ever seen two extra points blocked in a row. Ridiculous.

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In '04, Oregon State PK Alexis Serna missed all three of his team's PATs in their 22-21 loss vs. LSU.

Of course, it's not really analogous, since Serna was a freshman making his college debut. Still, that's three PATs blocked in a row.

I thought special teams was fine. He missed two extra points early, but other than that no big deal. The FG was right down the middle, and the kick coverage was fine. Anger is money too, maybe he just missed some kicks..

This thread is a little over the top with the thread title, because I didn't leave this game thinking our special teams is going to be an issue this year, but actually the opposite... DJ Campbell, Kendricks and going to wreck some people this year

Also GT nailed that kick in Candlestick.. impressive

No big deal? Is he not the only Cal kicker to have ever had two consecutive PATs blocked? He is the worst place kicker in the history of Cal football. Tedford needs to wake up to that fact. He should have recruited a decent kicker by now. If we lose games because of ST, as much as I will blame ST, I will blame Tedford more for letting this happen.

The anger on this board after week 1 in Candlestick is ridiculous.

I don't think it's ridiculous to ask a D1 PAC-12 scholarship place kicker to not have two consecutively blocked PATs.

BoaltBear09;559750 said:

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I don't think it's ridiculous to ask a D1 PAC-12 scholarship place kicker to not have two consecutively blocked PATs.

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I'm as upset with Vec as the next guy, but I heard Mansion wasn't the holder and I think Anger might have been...I wonder if that had anything to do with the missed PAT's...afterall, he missed important FG's last year but I don't think he missed many PAT's.....

Anger was the holder, you're right. But no one saw this during practices?

88Bear;559729 said:

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The anger on this board after week 1 in Candlestick is ridiculous.

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Perhaps you might have a shred of a point if this pathetic performance was an anomaly. However, as the thread title shrewdly asks, when will Tedford take ST seriously, we have a systemic problem that has been observed week after week, year after year. As it is, these type of threads are completely legitimate to ask given our sub sub sub par performance on ST over the years.

I agree with friend GranadaHillBear....I think Tedford's smoke and mirrors don't help Cal's kicking game....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.....unfortunately.....