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Explain the roughing the passer call on the double pass please...
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Last: 14 yr ago by burritos
Actually, I do. Right after Maynard throws to Keenan, the defender gives him a gratuitous shoulder check to the back, well after he throws it. It was a little bit of a ticky tack call, and I'm not sure how or if Maynard then becoming a receiver affects it, but I guess it doesn't or they would have picked up the flag.
Yeah, the shot doesn't really seem hard enough to be worth calling, but I suppose if you can be called for roughing when a QB throws a bubble screen, then hitting Maynard after the first lateral here counts too. At the time the ref throws the flag, he doesn't know that another pass is going back to Maynard.
I do wonder if the fact it's a backwards pass affects whether roughing should have been called - an option pitch is also a backwards pass and the defender can just blow the QB up then.
Right, seems like they should have picked it up once it was clear it wasn't a forward pass.
ColoradoBear1;568375 said:
I do wonder if the fact it's a backwards pass affects whether roughing should have been called - an option pitch is also a backwards pass and the defender can just blow the QB up then.
Exactly. In the option aren't you supposed to always have someone cream the QB? Doesn't matter if the refs think this is a pass or not, it's equivalent to a backwards pitch.
When Colorado was on their final drive to tie the game they had a false start with 57 seconds remaining. I thought the new rule was to run 10 seconds off the clock?
Only if the clock is running.
the explanation for the PI call is simple: Pac-12 referees.
the explanation for the PI call is simple: Pac-12 referees.
burritos;568384 said:
Exactly. In the option aren't you supposed to always have someone cream the QB? Doesn't matter if the refs think this is a pass or not, it's equivalent to a backwards pitch.
Roughing the passer also involves how much time is taken after a QB releases the ball; you're allowed to hit him within 1 step, which is usually about the amount of time a defender has on the option play to make up his mind. If a QB pitched the ball and then 3 steps later a defender tried to cream him, I'm pretty sure that would be penalized too.
burritos;568384 said:
Exactly. In the option aren't you supposed to always have someone cream the QB? Doesn't matter if the refs think this is a pass or not, it's equivalent to a backwards pitch.
not after the pitch. Just as you can blow up the qb when he's throwing the ball you can do it when he's pitching the ball. If he pitched it you can't take 3 steps and then blow him up.
grandmastapoop;568357 said:
Actually, I do. Right after Maynard throws to Keenan, the defender gives him a gratuitous shoulder check to the back, well after he throws it. It was a little bit of a ticky tack call, and I'm not sure how or if Maynard then becoming a receiver affects it, but I guess it doesn't or they would have picked up the flag.
Here's the rule:
Roughing the Passer
ARTICLE 9. No defensive player shall charge into a passer or throw him to the
ground when it is obvious the ball has been thrown. (Exception: A defensive
player who is blocked by a Team A player
opportunity to avoid contact with the passer. However, this does not relieve the
defensive player of responsibility for personal fouls as described in elsewhere
in this section.) (A.R. 2-30-4-I and II; A.R. 9-1-9-I; and A.R.10-2-2-XIII). The
penalty is added to the end of the last run when it ends beyond the neutral zone
and there is no change of team possession during the down.
It doesn't say anything about it being a forward or backwards pass.
I don't think it really made that much of an impact. It was already 1st and goal at the 6.
you can if he makes a move forward; then he's a blocker.
BearClause;568400 said:
Here's the rule:
It doesn't say anything about it being a forward or backwards pass.
I don't think it really made that much of an impact. It was already 1st and goal at the 6.
found this through google:
[quote=]One point of clarification. Roughing the passer has to be on a legal forward pass. The definition is in Rule 2.
ARTICLE 5. The passer is the player who throws a legal forward pass. He is a passer from the time he releases the ball until it is complete, incomplete or intercepted or he moves to participate in the play.
No idea which rule book that excerpt is taken from.
And I agree it didn't matter, but was very strange.
The roughing the passer penalty was called because Keenan Allen was hit well after he threw back to Zach Maynard. I believe that was when the roughing was called.
The penalty for roughing is added to the run. I don't remember getting extra yardage after maynards run so the flag must have been picked up? Rightfully so given that Maynard was not a "passer" (yes that defn applies to NCAA).
mdcspe69;568432 said:
The roughing the passer penalty was called because Keenan Allen was hit well after he threw back to Zach Maynard. I believe that was when the roughing was called.
I don't think so. If you look at the clip the OP linked, you can see the ref looking at ZM while he throws the flag at about the 4:29 or 4:30 mark. Allen has just released the ball and there's no Buff within a couple yards of him. Also, no one ever hit Allen.
The flag was thrown in the direction of Maynard not ka iirc
I remember being confused about this call during the game, and that was compounded by the fact that the ref's mics weren't working. after seeing some talk about it, i figured the call had to be due to a hit on allen, cause i don't remember seeing anything with maynard that could be called. after watching the replay, it is apparent that a player comes and hits him in the back after he has thrown the ball to allen, and it is long after he has released the ball. roughing the passer might not be the correct call, and maybe unnecessary roughness would've been more appropriate, but you know that they have put rules in place to protect the qbs in particular. any unnecessary contact with a qb is gonna be called, and i believe that was the intention here. was it a hard enough shot to be worth a penalty? probably not, but they are mandated to protect the qb and it is justifiable. the hit very well could've been worse, or could be worse in the future if they don't call that and the player thinks it is ok to do it because he got away with it once. kinda like kids thinking it is okay to continually drink and drive cause they don't get caught the first 5 times.
that said, this was one of the calls i felt that we got away with on sat, but after watching it i can understand why they called it. in retrospect, the refs might not have been as horrible as i first thought, although they certainly blew the whistle quite a few times, and definitely were proactive with the whistle when they could've let a few of the calls slide - mostly calls that went against the home team, with the exception of the costly guyton late hit call.
that said, this was one of the calls i felt that we got away with on sat, but after watching it i can understand why they called it. in retrospect, the refs might not have been as horrible as i first thought, although they certainly blew the whistle quite a few times, and definitely were proactive with the whistle when they could've let a few of the calls slide - mostly calls that went against the home team, with the exception of the costly guyton late hit call.
The flag came out before Keenan threw it and it was thrown in Maynard's direction. After Keenan threw it, the rushers disengaged immediately, there wasn't anyone within 5 feet of Keenan. Nobody touched him.
I certainly didn't see any hit on Maynard. He was touched very slightly (in football terms) as the pass rushers ran past him to get Keenan. It's very ticky tacky, as they were just trying to get around him...if I was Colorado, I would be upset about that call, but it didn't really add that much to the end of the run, so meh.
I certainly didn't see any hit on Maynard. He was touched very slightly (in football terms) as the pass rushers ran past him to get Keenan. It's very ticky tacky, as they were just trying to get around him...if I was Colorado, I would be upset about that call, but it didn't really add that much to the end of the run, so meh.
mdcspe69;568432 said:
The roughing the passer penalty was called because Keenan Allen was hit well after he threw back to Zach Maynard. I believe that was when the roughing was called.
Look at the linked video. He wasn't touched.
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