<blockquote><div class="name-said">davetdds;661904 said:</div><hr>I'm trying to. Yes, he is a D1, but I said " caliber ". Do you like to argue with everybody ???/ I just made a benign but true statement<hr></blockquote><br /><br />No. I thought about his "caliber" when saying he is one. Clearly ZM is a D1, and Pac-12 Quality QB.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal_Fan2;661907 said:</div><hr>yes...he likes to argue and insult pretty much anyone...I guess he didn't the Xmas gift I sent him...<br /><br /><img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />" /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />You are absolutely insulting.<br /><br />Did I isnult you?<br /><br />Are you board police?<br /><br />Are you secretly desiring Vagisil?

Gentleman - none of this matters. Maynard is the QB - whether he deserves it or not. 2012 will be as routine and I exciting as your typical Bears season of the 60s, 70s and 80s. We'll go 7-5 or 6-6. We will slip back to mediocrity, Tedford will keep his job and the diehards will be pissed and the fair weathers will shrug and go home. It is what it is.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">philly1121;661918 said:</div><hr>Gentleman - none of this matters. Maynard is the QB - whether he deserves it or not. 2012 will be as routine and I exciting as your typical Bears season of the 60s, 70s and 80s. We'll go 7-5 or 6-6. We will slip back to mediocrity, Tedford will keep his job and the diehards will be pissed and the fair weathers will shrug and go home. It is what it is.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />yup!!!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">philly1121;661918 said:</div><hr>Maynard is the QB - whether he deserves it or not. 2012 will be as routine and I exciting as your typical Bears season of the 60s, 70s and 80s.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />At least it'll be better than the '90s.:cheer

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;661898 said:</div><hr>Aside from your back-handed compliment, Zach Maynard is a D1 QB. Get used to it.<hr></blockquote><br />ZM is a starting d1 qb, in the pac12, no less. should he be? no.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal_Fan2;661902 said:</div><hr>I can't believe you are so upset at comments directed at you when you actually treat most people on here like dirt....and you actually don't realize it then feign ignorance of that fact. Then get all misty eyed when someone calls you out on it.... I don't care on wit if someone disagrees with me but if you are going to be a passive aggressive insulting jerk while doing it, it should be brought to your attention since you have little self awareness of how you come off on the internet....If I gave you as much as you heap on others here, it would fill up so many threads they'd have to get another server...give it a rest when you respond to people and they'll offer you the same courtesy.....<hr></blockquote><br /><br />When I am ascerbic I tend to not hold punches.<br />I have learned to never use rude words on this site as they are targets for those that like to decry "bad" words from being used.<br />I'm sorry that my witty and sarcastic comments bother you so much, however I don't feel you have the right to make such rude and pithy comments <b>unless you can show me video of Zach Maynard chucking it up with his buds and celebrating a Cal loss.</b>

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;661931 said:</div><hr>When I am ascerbic I tend to not hold punches.<br />I have learned to never use rude words on this site as they are targets for those that like to decry "bad" words from being used.<br />I'm sorry that my witty and sarcastic comments bother you so much, however I don't feel you have the right to make such rude and pithy comments <b>unless you can show me video of Zach Maynard chucking it up with his buds and celebrating a Cal loss.</b><hr></blockquote><br /><br />You are NOT witty...you are rude and insulting. In writing to me you must have missed the other guys who just called you out for the same thing....passive aggressive a-hole, inordinate high self esteem etc....others have called you out several times in the last few months so don't act like no one has mentioned your behavior before....you don't see me calling other posters that stuff very often so it is YOU that must elicit that response because multiple posters on multiple occasions have called you out.....<br /><br />Aside from not being witty, your sarcasm is used to passively aggressively insult someone else. Other times you just directly insult other posters...again, this is not a new phenomenon about you, it has been going on since you got here....I noticed you were doing it less but once challenged, you go back to what you know....<br /><br />....and I'm not going to provide you evidence of anything so if you don't believe me, and others who have witnessed it, then too bad.....I've already made too many posts on the matter....I suggest you repair relationships with others who find you to be obnoxious and insensitive....I've done with you on this matter........good night Nancy....<br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />" />

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;661931 said:</div><hr>I'm sorry that my witty and sarcastic comments bother you so much, however I don't feel you have the right to make such rude and pithy comments <hr></blockquote><br /><br />This is how it started.<br /><br />SB: Why don't you establish a fact? Video? Transcript? Rather than just spout your mouth off?<br /><br />CF2: You were doing so well SB, no need to turn back into a$$hole bear...I'm not spouting off anything...I'm merely saying what others have witnessed too....if you read this every day you'd know I'm not prone to much hyperbole or making stuff up...if you don't believe it that is fine, but stay civil, I like you better that way.....<br /><br />SB: And your idea of leadership and co-worker motivaion is straight from 100 different management books sold at Borders (sic.) or some other Six Sigma Jack Welch/Tony Robbins sponsored program.<br /><br />Sounds to me you were a bit offensive, and CF2 was being more than reasonable in giving you a fair warning.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SnoozerBear;661955 said:</div><hr>This is how it started.<br /><br />SB: Why don't you establish a fact? Video? Transcript? Rather than just spout your mouth off?<br /><br />CF2: You were doing so well SB, no need to turn back into a$$hole bear...I'm not spouting off anything...I'm merely saying what others have witnessed too....if you read this every day you'd know I'm not prone to much hyperbole or making stuff up...if you don't believe it that is fine, but stay civil, I like you better that way.....<br /><br />SB: And your idea of leadership and co-worker motivaion is straight from 100 different management books sold at Borders (sic.) or some other Six Sigma Jack Welch/Tony Robbins sponsored program.<br /><br />Sounds to me you were a bit offensive, and CF2 was being more than reasonable in giving you a fair warning.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Get your facts straight. More Like:<br /><br />1) Schaden: I think smiling and defusing tension can be an effective way of leadership and team management.<br /><br />2) Snoozer: How do you interpret being all smiles the next morning.<br /><br />3) Schaden: Is that directed at me? I thought I explained that.<br /><br />4) CFS to Schaden: yeah....well all of us have seen ZM very pouty and moping on the sidelines also and knowing a bit about leadership styles myself, I can tell you that if you send conflicting messages and behaviors, it can confuse and frustrate as well since said team can't decipher the message.<br /><br />5) Schaden to CF2: I've never seen Zach pouty or moping on the sidelines. Any film of this alleged poutiness?<br /><br />6) CF2 to Schaden: No you'll have to take my word. ZM was acting pouty.<br /><br />7) Schaden to CF2: Remember the tension breaker Joe Montana used during the SB. John Candy in the stands.<br /><br />8) CF2 to Schaden: I know leadership because I have done executive searches. Blah, blah blah. Jack Welch 10/80/10 speach, etc.<br /><br />9) CF2 to Schaden: Condescention, you are now being an a-hole. Everyone believes this.<br /><br /><b>10) CF2 to Schaden: You are a prick; belittle people; are infantile; and were raised the wrong way.</b><br /><br />You can read the rest from there.<br /><br />CF2 don't act like such a prima donna because you don't have much dry ground to stand on. If you want to criticize a Cal QB on this board be prepared to be confronted on your facts.<br /><br />Still want to call Zach Maynard pouty?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">davetdds;661863 said:</div><hr>Plus SB, I just told you I have seen Maynard pouting and such. After calling for evidence, I just gave you some. I suppose you don't believe me either. I have not been on long enough to know you, nor you, me. Settle down. You try to expound on such things using your big words, but you come across as a jerk. Geeeeezz!! And you said you " would take any evidence " I am an eye witness. Deal with it<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You have really seen a Cal QB pouting on the sidelines during a game? <br /><br />How were you able to view such an open display of facial emotion? <br /><br />Was it from the seats in AT&T or Qualcom? Was it on TV? (If so I didn't see it and no one has video.) Were you on the sideline where you could personally read his face?<br /><br />Do you even know what "acting pouty" means? Colloquially it is a feminine term but frequently refers to an innocent childlike behaviour.<br /><br />So poor Zach Maynard has gone from getting the **** kicked out of him by Texas, to being too smiley, then to being too pouty on the sidelines. Good one Cal fans.<br /><br /><img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />" />

Oh well. - she can act pouty with me anytime! lol

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;662003 said:</div><hr>You have really seen a Cal QB pouting on the sidelines during a game? <br /><br />How were you able to view such an open display of facial emotion? <br /><br />Was it from the seats in AT&T or Qualcom? Was it on TV? (If so I didn't see it and no one has video.) Were you on the sideline where you could personally read his face?<br /><br />Do you even know what "acting pouty" means? Colloquially it is a feminine term but frequently refers to an innocent childlike behaviour.<br /><br />So poor Zach Maynard has gone from getting the **** kicked out of him by Texas, to being too smiley, then to being too pouty on the sidelines. Good one Cal fans.<br /><br /><img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />" /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />I told you I saw it on TV. More than once. It showed him coming off the field moping or looking like a kid who lost his bike. Others have seen it. Why would I lie to you??? I have seen it and I am a truthful person. If I did not see anything I would have kept mt mouth shut. In my job I have to notice very small things quickly and at a moments notice. You are trained to do what you do, and so am I. Enough

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;662073 said:</div><hr>his body language was HORRIBLE against oregon and usc from play 1. don't tell me the team didn't notice either. so much for him being unflappable.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Thanks DO.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Our Domicile;661247 said:</div><hr>Tell me -- who was TOLD to call the huddle in the FIRST PLACE, even before the offensive series began? <br /><br />You're an utter joke if you think huddling and no-huddling is NOT by coaching design. You do know that Cal can go no-huddle and get playcalls via sideline hand-signals to run more uptempo, right? They done it successfully from Week 1.<br /><br />It doesn't take a troll like you to realize that Cal can go [U]both[/U] huddle and no-huddle but it's up to the coaches to make that decision <b>BEFORE</b> the offensive series even begins.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Agreed, though the coaches can switch to no huddle <b>during</b> an offensive series. Why they chose not to do so at the end of each half is a mystery. I would hope that a coach who makes millions of dollars each year could provide a satisfactory explanation.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">calumnus;661266 said:</div><hr>Exactly. I cannot believe that people here actually think Tedford lets Maynard decide whether to huddle or not to huddle. <br /><br />If you look at our offense, we huddle every play, then we go to the line, then everyone looks over to the sideline as a new play is signaled in, Maynard tries to direct people to the right spot, we rush the snap.... it is what we do.<br /><br />I don't know why we don't just go no huddle with a standard formation and signal in the play to begin with.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The amount of time we waste before each play is baffling, and despite all the pre-snap discussion and manipulation (and the secret, closed practices) the other team often seems to know exactly what we're doing. Oregon has a far more effective offense with a huddle by holding up cards that allow the entire team to see the formation at the same time. <br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal_Fan2;661362 said:</div><hr>Maybe because he never has been to San Diego and likes it...maybe because he thinks he is a lock at QB next year no matter what.....considering the fact I've seen him very pouty and frowning on the sidelines after poor play, I wonder why his change of disposition.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Maybe he was being a leader by attempting to console a despondent Calvin who spent most of his career injured and ended with an embarrassing loss. Maybe Calvin made the joke to cheer up his QB. Maybe they were smiling with pride at how well their defensive teammates performed.<br /><br />I'm more concerned with on-field performance and demeanor than what happens after the final whistle. BTW, I also saw JT smiling after the game as he did following the Big Game.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;661732 said:</div><hr>...I could certainly see how smiling during losses could provide effective team management and be considered a form of leadership.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Could be.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">davetdds;661798 said:</div><hr>I don't have evidence, but I have on more than one occasion seen Maynard, look pouty, disgusted. It was terrible to see. It was on TV. Looked like a little kid. If you doubt me, so beit, but I have seen it.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Maybe he has matured since then. Maybe he was pouting and Calvin cheered him up. Again, I'm more concerned with analyzing what happens and doesn't happen before and during the game.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">philly1121;661918 said:</div><hr>Gentleman - none of this matters. Maynard is the QB - whether he deserves it or not. 2012 will be as routine and I exciting as your typical Bears season of the 60s, 70s and 80s. We'll go 7-5 or 6-6. We will slip back to mediocrity, Tedford will keep his job and the diehards will be pissed and the fair weathers will shrug and go home. It is what it is.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If we go 7-5 or 6-6 more likely than not Tedford will be heading out the door; if not, he certainly will be on a deservedly very hot seat in 2013.

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<blockquote><div class="name-said">N0rCalBear;660357 said:</div><hr>Real winners like Tebow are not hamming it up after turning the ball over 3 times, playing horribly, and getting smoked by a crappy team. <br /><br />Glad Tedford's leadership is wearing off<hr></blockquote><br /><br />AR laughs, too. And he's better than Tebow. Being an @sshole doesn't make you good, but in your case, you go with what you've got.

As poor as ZM may be, I'd say it sucks a lot worse to be you.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">AuUrsinae;660523 said:</div><hr>I still remember the Indiana St-Michigan St game with Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and Bird crying uncontrollably after the loss...to me that says something about his desire to win, his pride, and his expectations.<br /><br /><b>Character is exposed when the cameras are not on you</b>, but then you find out, it was on you after all.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />It shows up in semi-anonymous message board posts, too.<br /><br />Stay klassy, negabears. Karma's a bitch.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;661872 said:</div><hr>You'd quivel in my presence in real life. Like in a professional situation, you'd know where authority came from.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Are you CHUCK NORRIS????!!!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MiltyBear;662204 said:</div><hr>Are you CHUCK NORRIS????!!!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That was pretty arrogant, huh? I have never " quiveled ". Is that like peeing on a bush??

<blockquote><div class="name-said">davetdds;662210 said:</div><hr>That was pretty arrogant, huh? I have never " quiveled ". Is that like peeing on a bush??<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I can totally picture Eric Cartman: "RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAY"

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;661912 said:</div><hr>No. I thought about his "caliber" when saying he is one. Clearly ZM is a D1, and Pac-12 Quality QB.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Most of his numbers are in the bottom half of Pac-12 QBs. Heck, the only QBs with a lower QB rating than him are Hansen, Hays/Wynn, and Tuel, which isn't exactly company you want to be around. Sure, if there was a ton of parity among the Pac-12 QB, being (at best) middle-of-the-pack might be acceptable, but when the conference is so top heavy with the likes of Barkley, Luck, Thomas, and dare I say Price, it really exposes the huge gap between Maynard and them. If Maynard was a freshman, he might end up being Pac-12 quality because there may still be room to grow, but the dude is going into his final year of eligibility. I think it's safe to say what we've seen from Maynard this far is probably what we'll be seeing next year. Serviceable as a stop-gap, sure, but not a longterm solution.<br /><br />Maynard would probably be pretty good for a mid-major, and I agree he's D1 (albeit not in a BCS conference), but to say he's Pac-12 quality is a joke unless you hold the standards of Pac-12 QBs to be pretty low.

How bizarre is it that you never see a head coach smiling after a loss or a QB lauging after getting smoked - but somehow Cal manages to do it.<br /><br />Sort of like I have never seen "illegal formation" on a field goal or multiple rolled snaps to a quarterback or a head coach who doesn't understand clock management- a lot of unique things about a Tedford-coached team...

Although the game with Texas was treated as a jihad on this board, bowl games are essentially exhibition games. For the players it's a reward and the dynamic is different than the regular season much as we would like to think it is not. Maynard's behavior can only be understood in the context of what was said to him that made him smile. If it was "man, at least you're still alive" I could understand the smiles.

But I blocked out 3.5 hours of my life and dedicated it to watching Cal football on TV during a Wednesday between Christmas and New Years.<br /><br />Why don't I have the right to throw a hissy-fit over the performance of student athletes?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">pingpong2;662237 said:</div><hr>Heck, the only QBs with a lower QB rating than him are Hansen, Hays/Wynn, and Tuel, which isn't exactly company you want to be around. <hr></blockquote><br /><br />Dude, ZM is D1 and P12 because he plays QB in the D1 and P12. It's as simple as that. The only other P12 QB's lower than ZM are also D1 and P12 QB's. :headbang<br /><br />Heck, that $100 bill in your pocket, I don't think it's worth $100. How about I give you $65 for it and take it off your hands.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;662151 said:</div><hr>I defy you to find a picture of ar laughing why losing by 2 tds in a game he played horribly. Never happened<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Not a fair challenge: How often does AR lose by 2 TDs?

The dumbest thread on this board in quite some time is now on page 10. Keep it going guys, I'm sure athletes and their parents really appreciate this!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LessMilesMoreTedford;662451 said:</div><hr>The dumbest thread on this board in quite some time is now on page 10. Keep it going guys, I'm sure athletes and their parents really appreciate this!<hr></blockquote><br />as long as tedford still at the helm, we're going to have an endless supply of inane threads instead of ones about football.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">mouseandcat;662468 said:</div><hr>as long as tedford still at the helm, we're going to have an endless supply of inane threads instead of ones about football.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Change the coaches all you like. You won't change all the stupid posters on this board.

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<blockquote><div class="name-said">rafterfan180;662603 said:</div><hr>translation: "blah blah blah. i can't get enough of myself." Tool.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Oh yeah, a thread complaining about a smiling/pouting Cal QB is oh so delicious.<br /><br />More please.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CalReason;662495 said:</div><hr>It should be nobody's concern what parents and athletes think of these threads and comments. <br /><br />And I care less that Maynard was laughing <b>than the fact</b> that he is tearing this program down and making a mockery of Cal on national TV. <br /><br />It also concerns me less <b>than the fact</b> that it's plausible, considering the laughter, that Maynard though he himself played well.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />It must be quite a skill to talk out of your own ass.

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