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In reply to KoreAmBear • 11:23a, 12/30/11

<blockquote><div class="name-said">mbBear;662036 said:</div><hr>...Cal actually scored more points than every other opponent that Texas beat this year, except A&M's 25. In addition, Cal scored more than two of the opponents that Texas lost to(Missouri and K-State.)<br /> So, the "handled easily" comes down to Baylor, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St.; that is a group that are clearly offensive elite. None of that makes me feel a whole lot better, but the defense didn't come out of nowhere either.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Good points. On the other hand, with a "QB guru" at the helm, our offense should be significantly better than it is - more akin to Baylor, Oklahoma, OSU than Missouri or K-State.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">oskibear1988;662043 said:</div><hr>Is this why we ran it up the middle with 5 mins left. I dont know if I was watching a diffent game, but I did not see "we had to solely rely on the passing game". I saw horrible play calling with coninued running plays on long yardage despite a completely ineffective running game and a dwindling clock.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Their OLBs are both 5* (considered among the best in the country) and they lived up to their reputation, quickly stuffing any attempts to sweep to the sidelines. Our line was beat, giving us no pass protection. Running up the middle was counterintuitive in light of the score deficit, but may have had the advantage of surprise. In any event, none of the best QBs in Cal history (Kapp, Morton, Bartkowski, Roth, Pawlawski, Rodgers) would have beaten Texas the other night.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Letsroll;662078 said:</div><hr>Drunk - I rarely agree with you but hats off to you on this one. I am getting a little impatient with Cal fans who think our players must study harder because they play football at the University of California.<br /><br />Our players are here for one primary purpose - to play football. They are no different than the other 115 D1 programs in the US. Our players are generally not known for taking rocket science courses. (Maybe there were some but not many. Every school has their exceptions).<br /><br />We finished with an abysmal graduation rate. Blame it on Holmoe's players but I just don't care. It proves that academics are not what is important for our players. Eligibility is!<br /><br />Much of our elitist thinking is based on the assumption that our courses are harder and more competitive than other football factories, and, therefore, we can take the high road. And I thought only UCLA had that attitude.<br /><br />If we were on the same Rose Bowl trajectory as Oregon, I doubt many of us including myself would really care what the graudation rate was. It only bothers us that we can't have both at this point in our program. I have also noticed that since we have been getting the living sh!t kicked out of us on the gridiron, Tedford has swung into the "our boys are hitting the books and our academics are being emphasized" mantra. I call BS.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You make a good point but miss the big one: it's not that we are so academically rigorous (though we are) to compete; the point was that Boise is at the other end of the spectrum, regularly admitting <i>non-athlete students</i> who would not be admitted to the more competitive Cal States such as SD State, Long Beach, Sonoma, SLO, etc.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">KoreAmBear;662171 said:</div><hr>...Wow, if JT believes that Maynard gives us the best chance at competing for the P12 title (isn't that our goal, or is it? If not, what is the school paying him to do?), he has completely lost it. Again, I seem to have to preface this on every point so no one gets this wrong. Zach is a good, classy kid and is doing what any kid would do if their coach tells them he's the starter - play and try his best. It's not on him. JT has to decide if he wants this program to turn the corner and be big time or not (and considering he makes big time money). Otherwise, he can continue in his middling and mediocre ways. I think he has 1 year to figure it out. But these quotes don't give me any confidence that he will. He hasn't in years so why would he radically change now? Sadly 2012 looks like another season of irrelevance. Good luck to Oregon and $C. *sigh*<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I agree with JT, Maynard does give us the "best chance of competing." Indeed, that's the problem: we should have better college QBs (as opposed to high school QBs with inflated reputations). Remember how we all clamored for Mansion last year? Well, I've seen walk-ons who looked better. This year many fans demanded more opportunities for Bridgford despite his underwhelming (I'm being kind) performance. I realize that an Aaron Rodgers type comes only once in a lifetime, but I'm not demanding future NFL HOF contenders, but we should have QBs who compete for all conference honors by their senior years. In the '70's we had a nice string with Ferragamo, Bartkowski, Roth, and Campbell. In the '80's we had Gilbert and Taylor. In the '90's (after Pac-10 Offensive POY Pawlawski) we had Barr and Barnes. I'd be thrilled with anyone of them.

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11:28a, 12/30/11

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In reply to okaydo • 11:35a, 12/30/11

<blockquote><div class="name-said">okaydo;662209 said:</div><hr>Yeah, that article was disturbing because it was utterly positive.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Utterly.

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In reply to okaydo • 11:40a, 12/30/11

<blockquote><div class="name-said">okaydo;662234 said:</div><hr>More and more, that "package deal" is really irking me.<br /><br />It's taken the program hostage.<br /><br />As someone wrote on the Bama board, we made a deal with the devil.<br /><br />Even if there isn't favoritism, it just looks bad.<br /><br />It's like Tedford is more concerned these days with the personal feelings of its players rather than the business of winning.<br /><br />How do you make a package deal with the QB position?<br /><br />It just leaves me feeling queasy.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If he did agree to a package deal, he got the short end of the stick. Allen's skills as a receiver do not offset Maynard's skills (or lack of skills) as a QB.

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In reply to Golden One • 11:47a, 12/30/11

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Golden One;661922 said:</div><hr>More pure crap from Tedford. He needs to take off his rose colored glasses. He was totally outcoached last night by Mack Brown. Texas' offense, which is nothing to brag about, at least had a diversified attack, with a handful of trick plays thrown in. Cal, on the other hand, repeated the Tedford routine of running Isi between the tackles on the vast majority of first downs for little or no gain. This has become such a predictible pattern that it's absolutely disgusting. Another given is that Maynard cannot complete any pass over 20 yards; you can absolutely count on any such pass being well overthrown at best or intercepted at worst. <br /><br />Our offensive line play against Texas was beyond pathetic. 6 sacks and 7 net rushing yards for the entire game says it all. Our linemen should go into hiding given how badly they embarrssed themselves last night.<br /><br />Bottom line is I don't see any reason for optimism regarding the 2012 season. The highlight is likely to be the re-opening of the renovated Memorial Stadium rather than anything that happens on the field. So long as Tedford is our coach we'll continue to struggle badly against any team with a winning record. His teams are strictly bottom feeders.<hr></blockquote><br />Oh Golden One, you are right on all counts......I turned to my wife before our first offensive play of the game and quietly said, "Isi for minus one." Well, surprise, surprise, Isi went for minus one. O.k., anyone can have a lucky guess, but Tedford has become so predictable in nearly all situations that this trend continues throughout the entire game. We are an unimaginative, predictable, close-to-the-vest offense that has gone<br />so downhill the last few years that we are painful to watch. Tedford gropes at straws if he thinks we have reason for optimism next year. We beat up on pansies this year.....we had one decent game against a good opponent---Stanford---and Tedford's<br />wussy, "wear-a-dress" playcalling prevented us from winning that game. Anyone remember how he rolled out Maynard (who everyone can see throws much better rolling out) ONCE the entire first half versus Stanford? He finally rolled him out in the redzone in the 2nd half and Zach adroitly sidestepped a defender and threw an easy touchdown....by then it was too little, too late......same story, same Tedford.

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In reply to okaydo • 11:47a, 12/30/11

<blockquote><div class="name-said">okaydo;662234 said:</div><hr>More and more, that "package deal" is really irking me.<br /><br />It's taken the program hostage.<br /><br />As someone wrote on the Bama board, we made a deal with the devil.<br /><br />Even if there isn't favoritism, it just looks bad.<br /><br />It's like Tedford is more concerned these days with the personal feelings of its players rather than the business of winning.<br /><br />How do you make a package deal with the QB position?<br /><br />It just leaves me feeling queasy.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Lynch Otis Yelverton....(not racial for you crusaders)

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12:38p, 12/30/11

A healthy Nate Longshore looks pretty good to me about now. All this bullshit about out football players being such intense students is also getting really old as well. I would love to know how many of our 22 starters could look any of us in the eye and say they came to CAL because of the degree they were going to get. I would bet maybe a few could pull it off but the rest would just be good honest kids and say CAL wanted them the most so they thought that created the best opportunity for them to get to the next level. Did Andrew Luck go to Stanford to get a magnificent degree or get play for the best coach he thought could get him to the next level? Kids who play big-time college sports have been working for that opportunity their whole lives. Their parents have spent thousands of dollars sending them to camps and individual instructors to prepare them for the next step. if your kid is a water polo player you still end up spending thousands of dollars preparing your kid (male or female) for the next step. At least that parent can look you in the eye and say all the driving and getting up at 5am for practices was done so their kid could have the best choice of colleges when the time came and hopefully get some scholarship money to offset all the money they spent from the time they threw their kid in a pool.<br /><br />Sorry I got a little off topic but we are not losing to Texas, Oregon, SC, UCLA, Stanford and Washington by an average of 15 points because are kids are burning the midnight oil studying harder than the other guys!

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In reply to pingpong2 • 12:43p, 12/30/11

<blockquote><div class="name-said">pingpong2;662250 said:</div><hr>I read it as our coaches basically packing it in. Just no sense of urgency at all, and this isn't just this last game, but something that has happened in other 4th quarters the last few years.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Agreed. Also Cal took possession with 3 minutes to go at the end of the first half. What ensued was almost unwatchable. Again no sense of urgency. Made me wonder (once again) if our team ever practices a two minute offense.

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In reply to GBMARIN • 1:28p, 12/30/11

<blockquote><div class="name-said">GBMARIN;662021 said:</div><hr>But a correct one. Very few QB's can hold up under such a withering pass rush.<br />Even trick plays(that everybody seems to want) don't work.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Instead of Tedford, let's hear from Michaczik. If the Oline withered away, we're entitled to know why. After all, we now have a new S&C coach and we have Michalczik back, but in the Oregon game and in this one the Oline eventually yielded to the opposition.

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In reply to kasaja • 2:12p, 12/30/11

<blockquote><div class="name-said">kasaja;662342 said:</div><hr>A healthy Nate Longshore looks pretty good to me about now. <hr></blockquote><br /><br />19 of 33 (58%) 188 yards 1 INT 0 TDs, 1 fumble<br /><br />versus<br /><br />17 of 36 (47%) 250 yards 3 INT 1 TD, 1 fumble <br /><br />or<br /><br />17 of 38 (45%) 176 yards 2 INT 1 TD, 1 fumble <br /><br />The first is Maynard 2011 Texas, the second two are Longshore 2006 Arizona and 2006 USC with the Rose Bowl on the line. <br /><br />We <i>seem</i> to have QBs that feast on inferior competition when we have a strong running game going and then "choke" in big games, but my opinion is more that we get out coached against teams with similar or better talent. Bad/predictable play calling and penalties put our QBs into bad situations with predictable results. When we are in 3rd and long, despite having 5 players eligible to catch a pass, we will only throw to 2. Is it any wonder the result is too often an incomplete pass, an interception, a WTF throw, or a sack? <br /><br />Urban Meyer was able to make Alex Smith look better than Aaron Rodgers to most of the world.

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In reply to Cal_Fan2 • 2:23p, 12/31/11

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal_Fan2;662287 said:</div><hr>Lynch Otis Yelverton....(not racial for you crusaders)<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Bot lynch is racial. That's like saying DO is stupid (Not ad hominen)

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In reply to dajo9 • 4:01p, 12/31/11

This has been a pretty amazing read, I have no idea how many of the posters have played or coached college ball. JT the O line and ZM are the villians. I am not sold on ZM but as far as the O line is concerned sometimes players run into guys who are bigger stronger faster than they are. Our lack of a running game had more to do with the Texas D line and scheme more than our guys "burning the midnight oil" as someone suggested.<br />Also if you can't run wide because of the other teams quickness and you can't run up the middle because of the other teams strength and you can't throw because your O line can't pick up the extra rushers what do you call next ?<br />Our defense did the same thing to Texas except for getting beat a couple times deep. We have a very young and talented group of defenders who gained a LOT from these extra practice days.<br />I still think we had a chance to win the game. In my opinion the thing that hurt us the worst was Millers PF penalty. If we score there the mighty mo would have been with us and mighty mo evens up the strength faster and quickness thing. That penalty was huge and if there is one thing that really bothers me about JT is leaving guys (miller) in the game after a bonehead move. If your holding to protect or trying to get a block and called for something then I understand but a PF being macho then go sit down.<br />I don't think JT has forgotten how to coach and with last years great class and maybe just maybe another great class I think the Bears are going to be very good in 2 years.<br />By the way when you guys say that we beat the teams with less talent you are giving the coaches a compliment. If all the coaching is even then we should beat teams with less talent and lose to teams with more talent. That held true in most cases except UCLA perhaps.<br />All in all I am excited about the next few years.:woohoo

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In reply to Cal_Fan2 • 9:00a, 1/1/12

I don't know how muh we "choked." I think we came within expectations. <br /><br />Lost big to better teams (SC, Oregon). <br /><br />Won or stayed competitive vs middle-of-the-road (Utah, Washington, Texas, ASU) <br /><br />Beat weaker teams. <br /><br />Texas had the same record as us and a top 10 defense. I don't see a loss to them as choking... Not in the case where the game was within reach until the middle of the 4th. <br /><br />Could we have played better? Definitely. I thought we would come out lookin like we wanted it more. <br /><br />But I think ppl here are being excessively harsh. It's not like people were expecting us to blow them out. <br /><br />(Note: the UCLA game is the one aberration where I think we really choked.)

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In reply to freshfunk • 9:25a, 1/1/12

Next year the league is going to have more prolific offense than ever with Barkley as a senior,Washington's QB with one more year, and with WSU's Airraid demonstrating that any QB can be put in a successful system and thrive.<br />In what way is Cal going to improve?

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In reply to okaydo • 9:55a, 1/1/12

If we could just get our hands on a dominant offensive lineman (probably a tackle), that could add 3 wins to our schedule.

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In reply to HaasBear04 • 10:02a, 1/1/12

This says much more about the evolution of the game in the last several years than it does of Maynard or any of Cal's better QBs.

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In reply to freshfunk • 10:02a, 1/1/12

<blockquote><div class="name-said">freshfunk;663588 said:</div><hr>I don't know how muh we "choked." I think we came within expectations. <br /><br />Lost big to better teams (SC, Oregon). <br /><br />Won or stayed competitive vs middle-of-the-road (Utah, Washington, Texas, ASU) <br /><br />Beat weaker teams. <br /><br />Texas had the same record as us and a top 10 defense. I don't see a loss to them as choking... Not in the case where the game was within reach until the middle of the 4th. <br /><br />Could we have played better? Definitely. I thought we would come out lookin like we wanted it more. <br /><br />But I think ppl here are being excessively harsh. It's not like people were expecting us to blow them out. <br /><br />(Note: the UCLA game is the one aberration where I think we really choked.)<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br />I think I and many other BIs are frustrated by the lack of discipline and fundamentals, something that Tedford used to make a difference in our team 10 years ago.<br /><br />I wouldn't mind the losses if we didn't screw up so much.<br /><br />If we cut back on the penalties by half we might've won one or two more games, who knows?<br /><br />But all that stuff is correctible via coaching.

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In reply to okaydo • 11:09a, 1/1/12

<blockquote><div class="name-said">okaydo;663616 said:</div><hr>I think I and many other BIs are frustrated by the lack of discipline and fundamentals, something that Tedford used to make a difference in our team 10 years ago.<br /><br />I wouldn't mind the losses if we didn't screw up so much.<br /><br />If we cut back on the penalties by half we might've won one or two more games, who knows?<br /><br />But all that stuff is correctible via coaching.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Nearly 1,000 yards of penalties. Pretty much negates having a 1,000 yard rusher. <br /><br />The reason most Cal fans are much happier with Montgomery than Braun is that, even though Braun brought in higher ranked recruiting classes, under Montgomery we look like a well-coached team. We rarely beat ourselves and mostly lose to teams that are simply far more talented than we are.

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In reply to Bear8 • 11:31a, 1/1/12

<blockquote><div class="name-said">6bear6;662402 said:</div><hr>Instead of Tedford, let's hear from Michaczik. If the Oline withered away, we're entitled to know why. After all, <b>we now have a new S&C coach </b>and we have Michalczik back, but in the Oregon game and in this one the Oline eventually yielded to the opposition.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Our team practices on a converted rugby field and lifts weights in a double wide trailer.<br /><br />It should be no surprise that we don't tackle well and that our O-line gets worked in the second half.

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In reply to dajo9 • 10:48p, 1/1/12

<blockquote><div class="name-said">dajo9;663175 said:</div><hr>Bot lynch is racial. That's like saying DO is stupid (Not ad hominen)<hr></blockquote><br />just like the real world, cal supporters run the gamut.......this is just a sad reminder of this unfortunate fact.

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In reply to Cal_Fan2 • 1:12a, 1/2/12

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In reply to GivemTheAxe • 10:48a, 1/2/12

Tedford sees a return to his glory days via some tweaks he makes to the staff or to the emphasis of the coaching or to whatever. And the results stay pretty much the same. I think Tedford's ability to make meaningful changes in the program are about on par with his ability to make meaningful halftime changes.

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In reply to Cal_Fan2 • 12:23p, 1/2/12

About all this team had was statistics. Stats which did not translate into wins.<br /><br />It was all true. I looked it up. Maynard did have the 2990 yards, the third most yards of any Cal QB for a single season. Of course they play 13 games now, instead of the 10 games in the old days. When you look at passer ratings, Zach doesn't come out so well. Dave Barr leads at 164, Aaron Rodgers best year was 154, and The 10th best was Troy Taylor at 136. Zach posted a QB rating of 126. Not so good. He also had 12 interceptions and 7 fumbles, of which 3 were lost. 15 turnovers by himself. He also threw for 17 TD's. In Rodgers' best year, he threw for 24.<br /><br />The surprise was Sofele. He had the third best year of a Cal running back at 1322 yards. He did not break many long runs. In fact, watching him, you get the impression that the slightest touch by a defender can cause him to go down. And there were the fumbles - 8 times he fumbled, and lost 5. I remember the good old days when a running back fumbled, and Tedford would bench him for a quarter or more. Sofele doesn't get benched for fumbling. Either Tedford is more worried about the player's esteem now, or Sofele's backups are not very good. All in all, Sofele overachieved.<br /><br />Tedford is using the positive stats, and not the negative ones. The proof is in the pudding, in this case, in the won-loss record.

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In reply to SFCityBear • 6:00p, 1/2/12

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SFCityBear;664427 said:</div><hr>About all this team had was statistics. Stats which did not translate into wins.<br /><br />It was all true. I looked it up. Maynard did have the 2990 yards, the third most yards of any Cal QB for a single season. Of course they play 13 games now, instead of the 10 games in the old days. When you look at passer ratings, Zach doesn't come out so well. Dave Barr leads at 164, Aaron Rodgers best year was 154, and The 10th best was Troy Taylor at 136. Zach posted a QB rating of 126. Not so good. He also had 12 interceptions and 7 fumbles, of which 3 were lost. 15 turnovers by himself. He also threw for 17 TD's. In Rodgers' best year, he threw for 24.<br /><br />The surprise was Sofele. He had the third best year of a Cal running back at 1322 yards. He did not break many long runs. In fact, watching him, you get the impression that the slightest touch by a defender can cause him to go down. And there were the fumbles - 8 times he fumbled, and lost 5. I remember the good old days when a running back fumbled, and Tedford would bench him for a quarter or more. Sofele doesn't get benched for fumbling. Either Tedford is more worried about the player's esteem now, or Sofele's backups are not very good. All in all, Sofele overachieved.<br /><br />Tedford is using the positive stats, and not the negative ones. The proof is in the pudding, in this case, in the won-loss record.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Over the last 5 games (including Texas), Maynard went 82 of 125 (66%) for 955 yards (7.6 ypa) with 5 TDs and 2 INTs. His passing rating for those games was 140, equal to Longshore's 2006 season, the best since Aaron Rodgers.

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In reply to calumnus • 6:25p, 1/2/12

"I don't think we're going to be any good next year. The Bear Insider people don't like me. But please, come and play here anyway. Don't go to those other schools. They're mean to us."<br /><br />Whatever he thinks he's not going to trash his program. What kind of a message is that? If he's delusional then all of you can point that out, as indeed many have.

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In reply to calumnus • 6:32p, 1/2/12

<blockquote><div class="name-said">calumnus;664779 said:</div><hr>Over the last 5 games (including Texas), Maynard went 82 of 125 (66%) for 955 yards (7.6 ypa) with 5 TDs and 2 INTs. His passing rating for those games was 140, equal to Longshore's 2006 season, the best since Aaron Rodgers.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />THIS. +1<br /><br />If Maynard continues to improve over the off season and can consistently play as well as he did against Furd/ASU next season, I think most fans would be happy supporters. That said, I hope whoever is best QB at spring ball wins the job and if it is Maynard so be it.

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In reply to Patman2648 • 8:19p, 1/2/12

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Patman2648;664819 said:</div><hr>THIS. +1<br /><br />If Maynard continues to improve over the off season and can consistently play as well as he did against Furd/ASU next season, I think most fans would be happy supporters. That said, I hope whoever is best QB at spring ball wins the job and if it is Maynard so be it.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That was the good news--that Maynard's 140 Passing rating over the last 5 games was equal to 2006 Longshore. The bad news is that 2006 Longshore would have been 6th in the Pac-12 this year behind Luck (167), Price (162), Barkley (161), Thomas (155) and Foles (145).

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In reply to okaydo • 10:12p, 1/2/12

Blind optimism isn't necessarily being positive--it's more like dreaming or being delusional.