Lupoi sweat and bled in that stadium. He knows how much these new facilities meant to us. How long we have had to wait for them. I was expecting him to move on at some point to further his career but to do so such a blatant F U manner is just unforgivable and unBear like. He clearly does not care what damage he causes to Cal football at a critical time. So be it.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">darby;678892 said:</div><hr>lupoi sweat and bled in that stadium. He knows how much these new facilities meant to us. How long we have had to wait for them. I was expecting him to move on at some point to further his career but to do so such a blatant f u manner is just unforgivable and unbear like. He clearly does not care what damage he causes to cal football at a critical time. So be it.<hr></blockquote><br />+1000

****

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Darby;678892 said:</div><hr>Lupoi sweat and bled in that stadium. He knows how much these new facilities meant to us. How long we have had to wait for them. I was expecting him to move on at some point to further his career but to do so such a blatant F U manner is just unforgivable and unBear like. He clearly does not care what damage he causes to Cal football at a critical time. So be it.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Which to me doesn't mean Lupoi is a traitor, it means JT and Sandy screwed up badly.

You got it. The reason this hurts is because we trusted he loved Cal. This isn't some mercenary moving on to the next big job. This is one of our own that we would call family. That's why it hurts. <br /><br />As far as I can tell, there are 3 responses. Feel sorry for yourself, try to blame someone else and shift the focus of your anger, or say forget you to everyone and regroup around family. <br /><br />I fully expected him to move on one day if the DC job wasn't available here. The manner in which he did it speaks volumes. We'll learn more soon I'm sure, but nows not the time to turn on Cal or each other or go into our normal woe is us act.<br /><br />This is the University of California, not the university of one man.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Darby;678892 said:</div><hr>Lupoi sweat and bled in that stadium. He knows how much these new facilities meant to us. How long we have had to wait for them. I was expecting him to move on at some point to further his career but to do so such a blatant F U manner is just unforgivable and unBear like. He clearly does not care what damage he causes to Cal football at a critical time. So be it.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br />+2000 to have been apart of the cal family gotten a degree and a shot at coaching at your alma mater and you do this wow. this is what stings the most. i could see out of conference ok great but not to a in conference school dann.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">510Bear;678931 said:</div><hr>Which to me doesn't mean Lupoi is a traitor, it means JT and Sandy screwed up badly.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You have to put the responsibility for this catastrophic (no hyperbole there) turn of events squarely on Tedford and Sandy. Both need to go, that much is clear. However, Tosh still f***ed his alma mater by the timing of his decision. Too bad, but he's burned some bridges at Cal.

"was" a bear.<br /><br />Cal now has an ex-employee at a rival conference school - trying to steal recruits, and sharing the playbook with the Huskie staff. It woudl not be so bad if he went some place like Boise or Texas. <br /><br />I have moved companies, but I cannot imagine doing that to my own school.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CalBearS916Fan;678943 said:</div><hr>+2000 to have been apart of the cal family gotten a degree and a shot at coaching at your alma mater and you do this wow. this is what stings the most. i could see out of conference ok great but not to a in conference school dann.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Out of conference for a promotion at a time that doesn't completely hang us out to dry. Those are three very big things Lupoi didn't have the decency to do. This should follow him around for the rest of his coaching and recruiting days. He's dead to me as a Bear. There's no coming back from what he's done. PNG.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OskiMD;678955 said:</div><hr>You have to put the responsibility for this catastrophic (no hyperbole there) turn of events squarely on Tedford and Sandy. Both need to go, that much is clear. However, Tosh still f***ed his alma mater by the timing of his decision. Too bad, but he's burned some bridges at Cal.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I agree Tosh doesn't get my pick for citizen of the year, but when something like this happens, the question that everyone will ask is "How much do JT and Sandy have their heads up their you-know-whats for not keeping this guy?", not "How much of a backstabber is Lupoi?"

is that it appears Lupoi didn't speak with anyone who may have given him better advice, eg. Coach Lad, his dad, Coach Tedford (if they are on agreeable terms). No one would blame Lupoi for taking 3+ times his salary and a move to UW if it was done, say, after LOI day, or during some other point in the off season. But the timing of all this and the way it was done (if reports are true) is just so bad that it cannot be excused. A mentor certainly would have given Lupoi better advice even up to the point of saying, "turn down Sark's offer if he is pressuring you to make the decision right now. The money and the career path will be there without the hasty decisions.". This decision undermines Lupoi's character and he may not have been able to see this if he made the decision all on his own. The guy was not living in poverty and it appears he paid a high price for a salary upgrade.

Bear in name only. The real Bears are tweeting each other about this and they seem highly amped up to kick some ass next year. Don't forget about the great class last year that redshirted. Lupoi is a hypocrite what else can you say.

at the end of the day it becomes fairly clear: pride, greed and career. Lupoi is a young man who failed to see the importance of timing. He should have stuck around to bask in the glory of the recruiting class, engaged in manipulating the situation a year from now to either extract more money and titles from Cal/Tedford, or leave (for any number of SEC teams with substantially more money and power than he got from the Huskies) and make it seem like Cal/Tedford were unreasonable, always leaving open the option of the prodigal son returning five years from now. Poor overall strategy by burning bridges and alienating people while calling into question his own credibility. Seems obvious to me that he is just a young kid with no political/work place experience or finesse. We sill survive and thrive--people come and go through the years, but the BEARS live on. Not everyone is willing to pay the price. GO BEARS!!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">76BearsFly;679059 said:</div><hr>at the end of the day it becomes fairly clear: pride, greed and career. Lupoi is a young man who failed to see the importance of timing. He should have stuck around to bask in the glory of the recruiting class, engaged in manipulating the situation a year from now to either extract more money and titles from Cal/Tedford, or leave (for any number of SEC teams with substantially more money and power than he got from the Huskies) and make it seem like Cal/Tedford were unreasonable, always leaving open the option of the prodigal son returning five years from now. Poor overall strategy by burning bridges and alienating people while calling into question his own credibility. Seems obvious to me that he is just a young kid with no political/work place experience or finesse. We sill survive and thrive--people come and go through the years, but the BEARS live on. Not everyone is willing to pay the price. GO BEARS!!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />He was offered the job so he could poach Cal commits before the actual signing date. That, and his recruting acumen, is why he got the raise from UW. Now I hate them more than Nazi Germany right now (only because of the sting of how screwed we got), hopefully over time that will fade. But the idea that he should have stuck around and not got the raise to bask in Cal's recruiting glory is just silly. Cal is not a big time program so he does not care if the bridge to Cal is burned. That does not mean that this does not suck because it does.

He may still sweat and bleed in that stadium! Looking forward to next November.

how much more money is he making at his new job? im sure he loves cal but he probably loves his family more and ultimately that is where he owes his loyalty to. being a cal bear doesn't pay the bills.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">sctawndawg;701302 said:</div><hr>being a cal bear doesn't pay the bills.<hr></blockquote><br />Actually, for most of us it does...

It didnt matter what Sandy or Tedford did! I am 100% convinced To$h saw this as his oppotunity to get revenge on JT for nothing and he took it

<blockquote><div class="name-said">steviegjd;701261 said:</div><hr>He was offered the job so he could poach Cal commits before the actual signing date. That, and his recruting acumen, is why he got the raise from UW. Now I hate them more than Nazi Germany right now (only because of the sting of how screwed we got), hopefully over time that will fade. But the idea that he should have stuck around and not got the raise to bask in Cal's recruiting glory is just silly. Cal is not a big time program so he does not care if the bridge to Cal is burned. That does not mean that this does not suck because it does.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />what??? we were on the verge of the #1 class in the nation. not the #5, or #10. that is beyond big time.

Lupoi is the lowest form of scum. As far as I'm concerned, he doesn't exist. May he burn in hell!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">510Bear;678931 said:</div><hr>Which to me doesn't mean Lupoi is a traitor, it means JT and Sandy screwed up badly.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Why are these things mutually exclusive?

Yes he was one of us but what does that say about 'us'? Perhaps our feet are made of clay just like the rest of humanity. Don't blame UW. We created Lupoi. They didn't.

in the SEC and other conferences involving the top recruits? <br /><br />We haven't had much in the way of 4 or 5 star recruits in the past to catch hardly anyone's attention...and to have this kind of mess.<br /><br />Immaturity a huge part of the I'M KING OF THE WORLD Lupoi syndrome that we have seen displayed in this business.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">sctawndawg;701302 said:</div><hr>how much more money is he making at his new job? im sure he loves cal but he probably loves his family more and ultimately that is where he owes his loyalty to. being a cal bear doesn't pay the bills.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Look, Troll, he's your contamination, now: unwept and unhonored...<br /><br /> "A foe without honor is a foe already beaten." --space marines.

F*ck Tosh, he's dead to me. Lets move on.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Darby;678892 said:</div><hr>Lupoi sweat and bled in that stadium. He knows how much these new facilities meant to us. How long we have had to wait for them. I was expecting him to move on at some point to further his career but to do so such a blatant F U manner is just unforgivable and unBear like. He clearly does not care what damage he causes to Cal football at a critical time. So be it.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />He was NEVER a bear. Why? Because, as Brother Joe memorialized...<br /><br /><br />"The Bear will not quit. The Bear will not die."

In the end, Shaq was the only Cal verbal commit that Tosh flipped to a Washington LOI. All the best to Shaq, but he may one day wake up and wonder what he is doing in the wet northwest, after Lupoi has moved on to his next employer.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">KevBear;701337 said:</div><hr>Why are these things mutually exclusive?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I no longer think they are. Most of the posts in this thread were made on 1/16 when the story broke, in case anyone is not noticing. <br /><br />Maybe the board should ban bumping old threads, like Yelp does. Unless they are made by trolls predicting our demise. <img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />">

He will be as welcome at Cal football reunions as Mayor Tom Bates is at Cal Rose Bowl team's reunions. Would Tommy show up to shake hands with Joe Kapp? I'd like to witness it.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Darby;678892 said:</div><hr>Lupoi sweat and bled in that stadium. He knows how much these new facilities meant to us. How long we have had to wait for them. I was expecting him to move on at some point to further his career but to do so such a blatant F U manner is just unforgivable and unBear like. He clearly does not care what damage he causes to Cal football at a critical time. So be it.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Lupoi didn't. Lupoi is worse than a furd to me.

To$h Lupaid = Ted Kaczynski in Cal hall of shame

<blockquote><div class="name-said">NYCGOBEARS;701391 said:</div><hr>To$h Lupaid = Ted Kaczynski in Cal hall of shame<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Add Marriet Ford to the list.

I agree with Darby. I've wondered if Tosh really thought this one through. He will never again be able to be affiliated with the Cal football program, a program that he once cared for deeply and was a huge part of forming who he is. I would think that will eventually become a huge loss for Tosh. I wonder what the 55 year old Tosh will look back and feel about what's occurred over the last couple weeks. I have to imagine there being some regret around this eventually.<br />I have no idea, but my fantasy is that Tosh made this move reactively, and possibly out of a kind of bruised ego anger. Just the kind of feeling that people act on in ways that they eventually regret. <br />Maybe I'm a smuck, but it's all kind of sad when I really think about it.

510, I really don't think it's 100% on JT & Sandy, nor is it 100% on TL.<br /><br />JT was ultimately responsible for a policy that offered no additional compensation for great recruiting. That's on JT.<br /><br />With JT taking TL's recruiting for granted, and with TL being under-compensated relative to his value in the recruiting process, TL was willing to take a 2nd look when UW offered the big bucks.<br /><br />I don't fault TL for accepting the 1st offer from UW.<br /><br />From there, TL messed up horrifically -- going back on his word to JT.<br /><br />Then he used a Cal visit to recruit for UW, and wooed Shaq to UW -- apparently before notifying JT that he'd accepted UW's counter-offer. That's <b><i>double </i></b>inexcusable.<br /><br />TL had a lot of options on how to play this, and chose badly. Very badly.<br /><br />So much of what made TL effective at Cal was that he was so passionate about his own experience at Cal. I think he's torched his credibility. Badly. Parents who used to believe him can't be so sure now.<br /><br />SO - Before we got LOIs from Treggs (yah!), Ford, and Lawler, I thought we had an excellent class, especially when you consider the timing of all the TL bidnis. Even though some services had us ranked down in the 30-40th range, it's an amazing accomplishment, IMO, that JT and the entire staff responded as well as they did, and kept the young men that decided to stay -- despite the tumult.<br /><br />Adding Treggs, Ford, and Lawler makes this a phenomenal class. I'm also excited about the new coaches, and anxious to see how the team does this fall.<br /><br />My compliments to JT and the staff for an unbelievably positive LOI day -- far beyond the expectations of many.<br /><br />I just hope that the lessons have been learned. Recognize and reward excellence. And when you make that counter-offer <i>before </i>the other team makes their <i>first </i>offer, you can get by with a lot less.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CalReason;701406 said:</div><hr>this rhetoric about Lupoi doing Cal dirty and not giving a **** about Cal needs to stop. Stop the self-righteous babble like how dare someone leave Cal...ever...at such a crucial time. I also don't know why this "side" of Lupoi surprises people...this is the same guy who watched over the classless move of faking injuries. Cal and its staff are not above doing dirty, classless things. "unBear like"? This term literally has no meaning.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I agree with you. We created the mess.