Has Mr. #calgang even put out a statement about how difficult a decision it was for him to leave the only school he ever had known?<br /><br />Curious, because if he hasn't, that should tell you a lot about him and his character.

Let me add that as a Duck, I completely understand how it must feel for Cal to lose a guy like Tosh. It's different when it's one of your own who leaves, and not just some guy passing through town. <br /><br />I'm guessing none of you feel let down as a Cal alum by Kiesau leaving, at least in terms of what you thought he was all about.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682049 said:</div><hr>Let me add that as a Duck, I completely understand how it must feel for Cal to lose a guy like Tosh. It's different when it's one of your own who leaves, and not just some guy passing through town. <br /><br />I'm guessing none of you feel let down as a Cal alum by Kiesau leaving, at least in terms of what you thought he was all about.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You would be correct. At least when Tedford left Oregon for Cal, he did it in an honorable manner.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682049 said:</div><hr>Let me add that as a Duck, I completely understand how it must feel for Cal to lose a guy like Tosh. It's different when it's one of your own who leaves, and not just some guy passing through town. <br /><br />I'm guessing none of you feel let down as a Cal alum by Kiesau leaving, at least in terms of what you thought he was all about.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />To$h is not big loss if Cal had time to brace it self for the change, but Cal will be back on its feet soon and the momentum will continue to roll. <br /><br />I only hope Cal can turn this into something positive by allocating more money into football, cut non-rev generating sports, and offer more flexibility overall to the football program.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682049 said:</div><hr>Let me add that as a Duck, I completely understand how it must feel for Cal to lose a guy like Tosh. It's different when it's one of your own who leaves, and not just some guy passing through town. <br /><br />I'm guessing none of you feel let down as a Cal alum by Kiesau leaving, at least in terms of what you thought he was all about.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Exactly, and it is not losing him. We have had Cal guys leave for promotions at other programs (Stanford's Rose Bowl coach in the 70's was John Ralston, a former Cal player and coach). It is that he broke his word, did it behind Tedford's back and was trying to flip Cal's top commit while on a Cal official in-home visit and is out trying to flip Cal commits now. Recruits that he spent years developing relationships with at Cal expense while employed as a Cal coach and now he will try to turn that with two weeks to go before LOI day.<br /><br />It will be interesting to see how much recruiting he does in the next two weeks of anyone who is NOT a Cal commit or recruit. My guess is zero.

Does he still have roots in the east bay? <br /><br />Achieving success is one thing, but how you handle that success, and the spoils that come with it, is when you show your true colors.<br /><br />Seems as if Mr. Lupoi has some growing up to do, and playing XBox with 18 year-olds isn't exactly the real world.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682041 said:</div><hr>Has Mr. #calgang even put out a statement about how difficult a decision it was for him to leave the only school he ever had known?<br /><br />Curious, because if he hasn't, that should tell you a lot about him and his character.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Tosh is too busy lieing on social networks on behalf of his new employer to care about issuing a statement explaining himself to last year's class whom he declared "I bleed Blue and Gold."<br /><br />Just empty words by an unveiled mercenary.<br /><br />Any parent with a sense of smarts would see right through the hypocrisy Tosh is trying to sell these final two weeks before LOI day.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682081 said:</div><hr>Does he still have roots in the east bay? <br /><br />Achieving success is one thing, but how you handle that success, and the spoils that come with it, is when you show your true colors.<br /><br />Seems as if Mr. Lupoi has some growing up to do, and playing XBox with 18 year-olds isn't exactly the real world.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Over time a guy in his thirties playing xbox with high school kids becomes creepier and creepier.<br /><br />I hope he can coach as well as relate well with recruits parents.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;682089 said:</div><hr>Over time a guy in his thirties playing xbox with high school kids becomes creepier and creepier.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I thought what Tosh did at Cal in terms of recruiting was fantastic, but it isn't all about XBox, is it? Seems to me his greatest asset as a recruiter was his youth, and his ability to sell Cal as his lifelong family.<br /><br />Sark must be under some extreme pressure to make the moves he has over the past week or so.

I guess I'm just wondering what UW's hook is going to be in terms of recruiting.<br /><br />Oregon has the flash, the uniforms, the offense, the buzz, Nike, etc.<br /><br />Cal has location (location! location!), great academics, new facilities, etc.<br /><br />UW is remodeling the Mistake by Montlake, bought some young assistants, won a split 'national title' before recruits were born, and what else, exactly?<br /><br />I just don't think it's as bad as many Cal fans think it is. Clearly UW is in panic mode, and desperation almost always leads to some mistakes.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682095 said:</div><hr>I thought what Tosh did at Cal in terms of recruiting was fantastic, but it isn't all about XBox, is it? Seems to me his greatest asset as a recruiter was his youth, and his ability to sell Cal as his lifelong family.<br /><br />Sark must be under some extreme pressure to make the moves he has over the past week or so.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Yes, it was not all about the xbox. The coolness factor and being able to relate with young kids was a big part of it.<br /><br />However, much like the Hollywood starlet who wakes up at age thirty and realizes her former roles no longer exist, there is an expiration date to relying on that sort of "game."<br /><br />You either move forward or die and not every "cool young recruiter" becomes an Ed Orgeron just like not every starlet becomes the rarity of Meryl Streep.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682106 said:</div><hr>I guess I'm just wondering what UW's hook is going to be in terms of recruiting.<br /><br />Oregon has the flash, the uniforms, the offense, the buzz, Nike, etc.<br /><br />Cal has location (location! location!), great academics, new facilities, etc.<br /><br />UW is remodeling the Mistake by Montlake, bought some young assistants, won a split 'national title' before recruits were born, and what else, exactly?<br /><br />I just don't think it's as bad as many Cal fans think it is. Clearly UW is in panic mode, and desperation almost always leads to some mistakes.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Seattle isn't a bad place to be, but unfortunately for UW, it's not where a lot of the recruits live (same with Oregon but you guys have a different system and aren't always after the same 4 and 5 star pro style guys that the rest of the PAC is).<br /><br />I think it's clear Sark has said "give me a blank check and I'll go out and get the staff and win the PAC". I think he has 2, MAYBE three years to do this. If he doesn't, all those expensive contracts will be the AD and the new coach's problem.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">maxer;682118 said:</div><hr>I think it's clear Sark has said "give me a blank check and I'll go out and get the staff and win the PAC". I think he has 2, MAYBE three years to do this. If he doesn't, all those expensive contracts will be the AD and the new coach's problem.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Renovated Husky Stadium allegedly goes live sometime during the 2013 season.<br /><br />I see a period mark to this whole experiment.

"Judas" Lupoi is pond scum !!! How can any recruit continue to believe anything that comes from this guy's mouth? Kiesau is in the same boat !! Get Zack and Hardy on the recruiting trail to close on our recruits. <br /><br />Any thought on a new WR coach?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682095 said:</div><hr><br />Sark must be under some extreme pressure to make the moves he has over the past week or so.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Check UW commits and see how many top Washington State players they have. Sarq has done a miserable job of recruiting home grown top players, and this in an area and state that is the height of xenophobia. Loopie's first and most important task is to recruit the home kids. There will be a couple of the talent drain, especially this year, is tremendous.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">KeithPrice;682131 said:</div><hr>by 2013 that will be 5 in a row.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Still waiting on your answer about graduating from UW, troll.<br /><br />Take your GED somewhere else.

The thing keithprice needs to understand is that Sarkface has essentially bet the house on black and UW will be left holding the bill whether it works out or not. <br /><br />If he doesn't win the conference in th next 3 years, his a$$ is gone and so are all his overpaid assistant coaches... And you guys will be left paying the rest of those contracts. <br /><br />You may think this is the new normal but it looks and smells like irrational exuberance and we know how that usually turns out.

And if you think it's worth paying this much just to beat Cal, then your standards are pretty damn low. At these wages you should be crushing us, Oregon, $C, 'furd and the Utes. <br /><br />Good luck. <img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />">

<blockquote><div class="name-said">freshfunk;682177 said:</div><hr>The thing keithprice needs to understand is that Sarkface has essentially bet the house on black and UW will be left holding the bill whether it works out or not. <br /><br />If he doesn't win the conference in th next 3 years, his a$$ is gone and so are all his overpaid assistant coaches... And you guys will be left paying the rest of those contracts. <br /><br />You may think this is the new normal but it looks and smells like irrational exuberance and we know how that usually turns out.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I don't think keithprice understands too much of anything (besides that when his mom tells him to get off the computer she means business). Let them enjoy their exuberance -- they're still not going to beat Oregon.

There is a rich football tradition at Washington. UW has always been a football school. We are getting back to prominance. Football is highly supported here. As far as ripping on the city of Seattle? Weather is better in Cal, no doubt. Seattle is a beautiful city. That is why so many Califonians move up here. I feel bad that we are raiding Cals Coaches, but changes need to be made. Our defense really, and still does, suck.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682106 said:</div><hr>I guess I'm just wondering what UW's hook is going to be in terms of recruiting.<br /><br />Oregon has the flash, the uniforms, the offense, the buzz, Nike, etc.<br /><br />Cal has location (location! location!), great academics, new facilities, etc.<br /><br />UW is remodeling the Mistake by Montlake, bought some young assistants, won a split 'national title' before recruits were born, and what else, exactly?<br /><br />I just don't think it's as bad as many Cal fans think it is. Clearly UW is in panic mode, and desperation almost always leads to some mistakes.<hr></blockquote>

<blockquote><div class="name-said">scottieb1971;682268 said:</div><hr>There is a rich football tradition at Washington. UW has always been a football school. We are getting back to prominance. Football is highly supported here. As far as ripping on the city of Seattle? Weather is better in Cal, no doubt. Seattle is a beautiful city. That is why so many Califonians move up here. I feel bad that we are raiding Cals Coaches, but changes need to be made. Our defense really, and still does, suck.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />In terms of tradition, UW trails UCLA and USC historically, and in terms of actual recent history, UW trails Oregon by a long shot over the past 20 years, and is basically identical to Cal.<br /><br />UW's "dominance" was a 10 year period where they went to what, 4 Rose Bowls? That was due to the Tyee Club, and we all know what happened after that.<br /><br />Now, the Tyee Club seems to be taking over again, but this time, they are buying young recruiters to bring recruits to UW. If I'm the NCAA, I'm paying close attention. Oregon got an investigation, and possible sanctions, over Lyles, but Tosh Lupoi is connected to both Lyles and Otis Yelverton. Both schools paid for a garbage 'service' from Lyles, yet Yelverton and Lyles both made trips to Cal with recruits.<br /><br />Lyles made a trip to Oregon, but it wasn't with Seastrunk. Sark is all-in, and UW need to know they just paid for a brand of recruiting that they were bashing as of two days ago.

Saw this on another site. Has Lupoi said anything about his days at Cal yet, and if it was hard for him to leave? Perhaps Mr. Lupoi will note that Mr. Heyward at least had the decency to talk to Mike Riley and the D-coordinator before leaving clearing out his office at OS.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr>"I've been at Oregon State going on 12 years as a player, graduate assistant and assistant coach," ...<br /><br />"But money is not a factor for me coaching. It's about growing and getting better. The best thing I get out of this is mentoring kids.<br /><br />"I've been at Oregon State a long time and never asked for more money. I'm grateful to have a job and always have been. I know you have to make a living, but I coach because of the relationships I build with these young men, to try to make them better people and better players."<br /><br />"Coach Riley is the best guy I've ever worked with," he said. "He has taught me everything I know. He's a very smart coach and a great person, and I love him.<br /><br /> "I'm a Beaver through and through. It was a very tough decision. The toughest thing was having to talk to Coach Riley and Coach Banker. Those guys taught me so much. But sometimes you have to look at the whole situation."<br /><br />Heyward said he will leave Corvallis with fond memories.<br /><br />"I'm very grateful to Oregon State, Coach Riley, Coach Banker and everybody else I've worked with there," he said. "They recruited me out of high school and allowed me to come back and coach.<br /><br />"The fans and everybody associated with Oregon State have been awesome. I'm forever indebted to them. It's been a great experience."<hr></blockquote> <br /><br />That's how you leave your alma mater that you profess to care about, not under cover of darkness with OVs set up the next day for your new team.

Nothing heard from To$h ... he's talking to our recruits like a slimeball

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682652 said:</div><hr>Saw this on another site. Has Lupoi said anything about his days at Cal yet, and if it was hard for him to leave? Perhaps Mr. Lupoi will note that Mr. Heyward at least had the decency to talk to Mike Riley and the D-coordinator before leaving clearing out his office at OS.<br /><br /> <br /><br />That's how you leave your alma mater that you profess to care about, not under cover of darkness with OVs set up the next day for your new team.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Oh we know all about this Ducky but thanks for posting it again. You may continue with your anti-Tosh and anti-UW posts with abandon. Not gonna get crap from most of us and yes we visit Open Season too :p

<blockquote><div class="name-said">calgldnbear;682660 said:</div><hr>Nothing heard from To$h ... he's talking to our recruits like a slimeball<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I really do empathize with Cal fans. Not only did Mr. #calgang jump to UW, but he apparently did so knowing he was going to bring some recruits with him. Just incredibly shady of the guy, knowing how gung-ho he was about selling Cal for Cal, and not as just a place to play football.<br /><br />I hope the money is worth it to the guy, because Nick Holt just found out how loyal Sark is to his buddies. I wouldn't worry too much about any players who follow him to UW, though. Maybe Tosh's schtick is connecting with selfish prima donnas. For all of his recruiting wonders, Cal has been pretty average on the field. Perhaps this is best for Cal.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682081 said:</div><hr>Does he still have roots in the east bay? <br /><br />Achieving success is one thing, but how you handle that success, and the spoils that come with it, is when you show your true colors.<br /><br />Seems as if Mr. Lupoi has some growing up to do, and playing XBox with 18 year-olds isn't exactly the real world.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Question: how good will his ties be here in NorCal after the circumstances of his departurre become well known.<br /><br />If I were a HS coach, I would care more about keeping good relations with the Cal HC, OC and DC.<br /><br />If I were a HS player or his family, I would wonder if he could be trusted when he came to visit and told me all the great things about UW and why I should go there. ("But Mom and Dad, Coach Tosh said it never rains in Seattle."<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />">

As an aside from the exact subject here, I'm glad to see a Ducks fan coming in here echoing our sentiments to show it's not just us being bitter.<br /><br />I think it's great Kiesau got a job that he sees as an upgrade. I hope any recruits like McCarthy or Armstead are happy at their new schools if they think they're gonna be better fits for them.<br /><br />The Tosh issue is completely different. I think anyone who's been following the story who isn't a Huskies fan will see this isn't just another case of a coach leaving a school. The way he handled the situation after making his decision have made all the difference.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682665 said:</div><hr>I really do empathize with Cal fans. Not only did Mr. #calgang jump to UW, but he apparently did so knowing he was going to bring some recruits with him. Just incredibly shady of the guy, knowing how gung-ho he was about selling Cal for Cal, and not as just a place to play football.<br /><br />I hope the money is worth it to the guy, because Nick Holt just found out how loyal Sark is to his buddies. I wouldn't worry too much about any players who follow him to UW, though. Maybe Tosh's schtick is connecting with selfish prima donnas. For all of his recruiting wonders, Cal has been pretty average on the field. Perhaps this is best for Cal.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Plus those players are gonna wake up soon after the luster wears off and say.."What the f*ck am I don't in Washington"....they'll go there because of Tosh but he'll be too busy to be their little buddy up there...and they'll be lost and all alone. Guess that is why you should have parents who actually get involved and point you in the right direction....as opposed to following the Candy Man to hell...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682665 said:</div><hr>I really do empathize with Cal fans. Not only did Mr. #calgang jump to UW, but he apparently did so knowing he was going to bring some recruits with him. Just incredibly shady of the guy, knowing how gung-ho he was about selling Cal for Cal, and not as just a place to play football.<br /><br />I hope the money is worth it to the guy, because Nick Holt just found out how loyal Sark is to his buddies. I wouldn't worry too much about any players who follow him to UW, though. Maybe Tosh's schtick is connecting with selfish prima donnas. For all of his recruiting wonders, Cal has been pretty average on the field. Perhaps this is best for Cal.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />:beer: I didn't know Duck fans like you existed!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682049 said:</div><hr>Let me add that as a Duck, I completely understand how it must feel for Cal to lose a guy like Tosh. It's different when it's one of your own who leaves, and not just some guy passing through town. <br /><br />I'm guessing none of you feel let down as a Cal alum by Kiesau leaving, at least in terms of what you thought he was all about.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />PDXDuck - look at it this way...Tosh losing is a devastating blow to us, a large part because he was educated at Cal. To see a fellow Cal alum act in this manner (in any scenario) is very disheartening.<br /><br />As for Kiesau, when that happened, it is basically like finding out that Washington has basically declared war on us, with the ultimate goal of not really benefiting themselves so much, but more trying to destroy us.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PDXDuckFan;682285 said:</div><hr>Now, the Tyee Club seems to be taking over again, but this time, they are buying young recruiters to bring recruits to UW. If I'm the NCAA, I'm paying close attention. Oregon got an investigation, and possible sanctions, over Lyles, but Tosh Lupoi is connected to both Lyles and Otis Yelverton. Both schools paid for a garbage 'service' from Lyles, yet Yelverton and Lyles both made trips to Cal with recruits.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I think Cal is clean of the whole Lyles mess, but it always made me nervous. Judging by Lupoi's recently unveiled ethics issues, him leaving Cal may be in our long-term best interest after all.