Let's hear the real version. Not the sugar coated one. Don't we loyal fans deserve that??

I think that we do, but I also think that now's not the time for it. It's time to circle the wagons around JT, Gould and company and go to the finish line with a great class.

Don't hold your breath. Anything in more detail than we have right now is going to be strictly off the record and not written down on a forum. Cal (Tedford and Barbour) clearly want to cut ties and move on cleanly, <i>publically</i>, as evidenced by their PR. Anyone who is hearing the program's side from a source close enough to know anything is going to want to respect that.<br /><br />We're obviously not going to hear anything from the other side either, they're going to want to move past this ASAP and pretend it never happened.<br /><br />So... I would not expect more to be revealed on the board.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">davetdds;682988 said:</div><hr>Let's hear the real version. Not the sugar coated one. Don't we loyal fans deserve that??<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Join the premium board and you can more then you can possibly imagine...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">elpbear;682997 said:</div><hr>Don't hold your breath. Anything in more detail than we have right now is going to be strictly off the record and not written down on a forum. Cal (Tedford and Barbour) clearly want to cut ties and move on cleanly, <i>publically</i>, as evidenced by their PR. Anyone who is hearing the program's side from a source close enough to know anything is going to want to respect that.<br /><br />We're obviously not going to hear anything from the other side either, they're going to want to move past this ASAP and pretend it never happened.<br /><br />So... I would not expect more to be revealed on the board.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I pretty much knew that. Just threw it out. If Tosh was doing something ( I'm guessing) not kosher, I don't want Cal to end up like U$C, Ohio State, with sanctions. Good Fuc*#ng riddance

I will gladly buy someone a few beers to hear the whole story!!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LasVegasBearof79;683000 said:</div><hr>Join the premium board and you can more then you can possibly imagine...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You went to and graduated from Cal right? You know what, I'm gonna trust you on this one... what can go wrong?

This should not be a hush-hush story shared only on the premium board, or any Cal-fan board for that matter. Everyone in the college-football-world should know what Tosh did. He should not be able to hide from his actions. This should follow him forever. It should be aired in full with no dirty detail left unwritten. <br /><br />This is so far beyond the average coaching turnover. To$h and UW need to be exposed for their actions and take ownership of them.

+1

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BoaltBear;683035 said:</div><hr>This should not be a hush-hush story shared only on the premium board, or any Cal-fan board for that matter. Everyone in the college-football-world should know what Tosh did. He should not be able to hide from his actions. This should follow him forever. It should be aired in full with no dirty detail left unwritten. <br /><br />This is so far beyond the average coaching turnover. To$h and UW need to be exposed for their actions and take ownership of them.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You want the real story? I bet you on the Paid Board it says he got a raise from 160 to 550.

You want the <b>truth?</b> You can't handle the <b>truth!<br /><br /></b>

I disagree. To$h proved himself to be a scumbag, there is nothing to be gained by going there. The more I hear about this, the uglier it is and the more apalled I am at To$h's behavior (Sark - already knew he was a lowlife, no surprise there).<br /><br />In the end, we need to focus on the things that make Cal great, not the poor decisions of a few bad apples. If JT hires a good replacement, finishes with a great recruiting class and we go into spring with a solid program, that's what's important. When the dust settles, we'll be grateful the cancer is gone and maybe a little more careful about conferring god-like status on an assistant coach in his twenties who hasn't proven his character.

The more I hear about what happened, the more inclined I am to think the "faking injury" thing was actually his idea. It was a slimy, To$h-y thing that was very out of character for a Tedford team. After seeing how this went down, I don't believe he was thrown under the bus, but called out for his questionable character, something that's shown itself to be a patten in the character of this loser.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BoaltBear;683035 said:</div><hr>This should not be a hush-hush story shared only on the premium board, or any Cal-fan board for that matter. Everyone in the college-football-world should know what Tosh did. He should not be able to hide from his actions. This should follow him forever. It should be aired in full with no dirty detail left unwritten. <br /><br />This is so far beyond the average coaching turnover. To$h and UW need to be exposed for their actions and take ownership of them.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Exactly. We need to cause UW some disruption now. Any time they spend on spinning this is less time they are focused on business. Too bad Silver is sniffing Lupaid's jock because he does a great job on twitter repping #Cal to a general audience.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BeachyBear;683115 said:</div><hr>The more I hear about what happened, the more inclined I am to think the "faking injury" thing was actually his idea. It was a slimy, To$h-y thing that was very out of character for a Tedford team. After seeing how this went down, I don't believe he was thrown under the bus, but called out for his questionable character, something that's shown itself to be a patten in the character of this loser.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You are right that it is not the type of thing Tedford would think of or do. <b>He doesn't even have his players fake FGs, much less injuries.</b> <br /><br />If Tosh was in charge of DL substitutions, I could imagine that he instructed his charges that if they don't have time to get off the field, fall down rather than take the penalty and didn't think it was a big deal. Others had done it. <br /><br />Because the game was so close, Oregon made it a big deal about it and Tedford was probably sanctimonious about it (he still should have taken responsibility publicly). Enter Wilcox his sympathetic adviser (a little pissed at Tedford himself?), who gets in his head promising to hire him at his next stop--Tosh leaves for big money to UW where he can take his revenge on Cal and Oregon. Sark's big money includes the assumption or incentives that Tosh bring in big recruits, maybe Cal's maybe otherwise, but Cal's are the ones Tosh can get.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BeachyBear;683115 said:</div><hr>The more I hear about what happened, the more inclined I am to think the "faking injury" thing was actually his idea. It was a slimy, To$h-y thing that was very out of character for a Tedford team. After seeing how this went down, I don't believe he was thrown under the bus, but called out for his questionable character, something that's shown itself to be a patten in the character of this loser.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I agree - that was actually my first thought when he bolted for UW under less than professional circumstances. In retrospect I suspect that Lupoi did instruct the players to fake cramps to slow down the tempo and JT was caught completely off-guard. I'm not sure that in those circumstances JT should have taken responsibility for it, other than to say he was sorry for the actions of his team and that proper actions will be taken - which is pretty much what he did, correct? This makes me think JT is perhaps TOO ethical to run a championship football program.<br /><br />Unfortunately in business (and apparently college football) it is very difficult to rise to the top without cutting corners or at the very least pushing the envelope. If JT refuses to do this, then we can be proud of him but probably cannot expect a top level team with any consistency. I will further speculate that despite of all our beliefs that Tosh wore a halo and never told recruits "what they wanted to hear", he probably did tell them what he need to to get them to commit which is why he was so good.

There are two separate clusters here and neither one absolves the innocent party:<br /><br />1) The national recruiter of the year at $164k while HC is @ $2.3 million is a sad joke. Sandy/JT had over a year to fix that and did not. #fail<br /><br />2)Dumping a load on your alma mater on the way out the door. It's clear to me Tosh did not care what damage he caused Cal. These are the first modern facilities in the history of Cal. You don't try to burn that down on the way out the door just because you don't like your boss. Unforgivable no matter how bad JT bungled his relationship with Lupoi. He is no longer a Bear.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Darby;683242 said:</div><hr>There are two separate clusters here and neither one absolves the innocent party:<br /><br />1) The national recruiter of the year at $164k while HC is @ $2.3 million is a sad joke. Sandy/JT had over a year to fix that and did not. #fail<br /><br />2)Dumping a load on your alma mater on the way out the door. It's clear to me Tosh did not care what damage he caused Cal. These are the first modern facilities in the history of Cal. You don't try to burn that down on the way out the door just because you don't like your boss. Unforgivable no matter how bad JT bungled his relationship with Lupoi. He is no longer a Bear.<hr></blockquote><br />Agreed on both fronts. Also I have a feeling that the salary disparity will decrease with the incoming coaches as well as the remain faithful coaches.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Darby;683116 said:</div><hr>Too bad Silver is sniffing Lupaid's jock because he does a great job on twitter repping #Cal to a general audience.<hr></blockquote><br />Since players and Silver have been unequivocal that Tedford was behind the faked injuries (and have no reason to lie nor any track record of lying), we shouldn't be surprised that payback is a b!tch. That those who are disappointed at being dumped by Tosh (in a money move that few sane people would reject) now try to absolve JT of his mismanagement (paying Tosh too little, not giving him more money preemptively, and throwing him under the bus for the fake injury scandal) is as laughable as it is predictable (think "confirmation bias" in flashing neon).

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Bear Island;683327 said:</div><hr>Well stated, although there is likely no innocent party involved.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />IMO, Tosh is just using Oregon game as his way to justify his actions...If it was this big of an issue, would someone really go this far out of his way to get "revenge?" He was basically given an offer he couldn't refuse but the only catch was he had to screw Cal...He doesn't want to look like bad guy so he uses the oregon game as his excuse for F'ing us

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BoaltBear;683035 said:</div><hr>This should not be a hush-hush story shared only on the premium board, or any Cal-fan board for that matter. Everyone in the college-football-world should know what Tosh did. He should not be able to hide from his actions. This should follow him forever. It should be aired in full with no dirty detail left unwritten. <br /><br />This is so far beyond the average coaching turnover. To$h and UW need to be exposed for their actions and take ownership of them.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Should be featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines."

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;683336 said:</div><hr>i guess the question is if oregon is what made it possible for them to get tosh rather than the "reason" he left (which obviously is primarily $$$$). who really knows.<hr></blockquote><br />Only Tosh will ever know that.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Darby;683242 said:</div><hr>There are two separate clusters here and neither one absolves the innocent party:<br /><br />1) The national recruiter of the year at $164k while HC is @ $2.3 million is a sad joke. Sandy/JT had over a year to fix that and did not. #fail<br /><br />2)Dumping a load on your alma mater on the way out the door. It's clear to me Tosh did not care what damage he caused Cal. These are the first modern facilities in the history of Cal. You don't try to burn that down on the way out the door just because you don't like your boss. Unforgivable no matter how bad JT bungled his relationship with Lupoi. He is no longer a Bear.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />+1 and fyi the un-sugarcoated story is not on the insider board or chat either. Nobody will know...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BeachyBear;683115 said:</div><hr>The more I hear about what happened, the more inclined I am to think the "faking injury" thing was actually his idea. It was a slimy, To$h-y thing that was very out of character for a Tedford team. After seeing how this went down, I don't believe he was thrown under the bus, but called out for his questionable character, something that's shown itself to be a patten in the character of this loser.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /> "If you cheat on the practice field, you'll cheat in the game," he said, "and if you cheat in the game, you'll cheat the rest of your life."<br /><br />:tedford

<blockquote><div class="name-said">manus;683337 said:</div><hr>Should be featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines."<hr></blockquote><br />I don't think we should want it any more than UW does as both sides have a lot that they'd rather not be aired.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">icecreamman11;683332 said:</div><hr>IMO, Tosh is just using Oregon game as his way to justify his actions...If it was this big of an issue, would someone really go this far out of his way to get "revenge?" He was basically given an offer he couldn't refuse but the only catch was he had to screw Cal...He doesn't want to look like bad guy so he uses the oregon game as his excuse for F'ing us<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br />+1 <br /><br />That's exactly how I look at the situation. Thanks for putting it in words.

Look - coaches coach. That's all. They have an influence on recruits. That's their job. But don't let them young MEN off the hook. Theu are either chosing the path for the rest fo their life - ie Kline , Treggs, Okefor - ro they ar e using their mini-celbrity to get adult to dance for them - ie Thompsom, McCarthy. Etc. At the end of the day - its up to these young MEN to make a f'ing decision!!

Quit whining about Tosh's salary. How many 29 year old football coaches are making $164,000.00 per year, with the probability of making much more as promotions occur within the organization? He might have been making even more than reported if certain donors gave him a bonus based on results. But if you need to blame Tedford or Sandy and it makes you feel better, go for it. You're obviously an underpaid, underappreciated, incomplete human being anyway.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">icecreamman11;683332 said:</div><hr>IMO, Tosh is just using Oregon game as his way to justify his actions...If it was this big of an issue, would someone really go this far out of his way to get "revenge?" He was basically given an offer he couldn't refuse but the only catch was he had to screw Cal...He doesn't want to look like bad guy so he uses the oregon game as his excuse for F'ing us<hr></blockquote><br /><br />This. I can't believe an incident that happened two years ago is the root cause of all this. Can't believe how much mileage this incident has gotten. He is no worse for the wear since that incident and in fact, is infiintely more successful and worshipped (until now). He is a traitor and a liar and will never be a bear in my heart again.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">calumnus;683159 said:</div><hr>If Tosh was in charge of DL substitutions, I could imagine that he instructed his charges that if they don't have time to get off the field, fall down rather than take the penalty and didn't think it was a big deal. Others had done it. <hr></blockquote>remember though, the <a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a></a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank">video</a> doesn't exactly support that description

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;683486 said:</div><hr>what does his age have to do with anything? other elite recruiters make a lot more. why shouldn't he? i doubt if you were 29 and great at your job that you'd agree that you deserve less money because you are younger.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />How do you know I'm not 29? I am great at my job, I say modestly. But my earnings are on a par with others my age. Too bad your's aren't. After all, who would hire a shipwreck like you?

is there a free trial for the insider board?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BearyWhite;683507 said:</div><hr>remember though, the <a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E"""</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmw9zasK19E""</a></a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank">video</a> doesn't exactly support that description<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm not sure what the video supports exactly. Tipoti appears to get a signal from the sideline (we do not know who from or the intent behind it) and then goes down. Was it Tosh signaling him? Did any LBs or DBs "fake" injury or just DLs? I don't know, but it is <i>plausible</i> that it was Tosh's idea. <br /><br />I think it is unlikely, given what we know about him, that Tedford gave the OK to fake injuries. He doesn't even fake field goals. He is not an "out of the box" thinker. He is is honorable to a fault and will take a knee on first down on the Southern Miss 10 with a minute left and the Rose Bowl at stake.<br /><br />So I think it was either Tosh, or Tosh taking the fall for Pendergast (why?).

<blockquote><div class="name-said">calumnus;684030 said:</div><hr>I'm not sure what the video supports exactly. Tipoti appears to get a signal from the sideline (we do not know who from or the intent behind it) and then goes down. Was it Tosh signaling him? Did any LBs or DBs "fake" injury or just DLs? I don't know, but it is <i>plausible</i> that it was Tosh's idea. <br /><br />I think it is unlikely, given what we know about him, that Tedford gave the OK to fake injuries. He doesn't even fake field goals. He is not an "out of the box" thinker. He is is honorable to a fault and will take a knee on first down on the Southern Miss 10 with a minute left and the Rose Bowl at stake.<br /><br />So I think it was either Tosh, or Tosh taking the fall for Pendergast (why?).<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Completely agree. I never played football but I'd imagine a player on D would look toward his position coach for the sideline call. That would have been Tosh.<br /><br />I find it unlikely that JT was involved in premeditating this, considering how hands off he is with defense. Coach P may have been in on it, but I doubt anything organized was planned.

No matter who was at fault for the injury thing if he really loved Cal the way he said he did then he wouldn't have done what he has done the last few days. There's almost nothing that could justify what he did. Like CalGaoTe said earlier, hopefully these recruits are men enough to see he is such a slimeball.