I know we are all upset by what we perceive as poaching by UW and perhaps some less than ethical behavior by one of our previously favored sons, but we should show some class regarding UW as an academic institution. I have seen several derogatory references to UW as a "second-rate" school in the myriad of threads regarding Lupoi-gate. UW is an excellent school and the actions of the football team does not change that. 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I wouldn't even take a **** at UW.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;683232 said:</div><hr>you have a kid that goes there huh?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Wonder what out of state tuition would be?

Agree. UW is a great university and it's rather ridiculous for Cal fans to bash it on the basis of academics.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">burritos;683243 said:</div><hr>Wonder what out of state tuition would be?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Probably less than in state at UC these days. And no kids in college - they are 2 and 4 - but I would be fine if they went to UW. It is a great school and Seattle is a cool place if you can handle the weather.

Seriously, dude? Out of this whole thing that is what inspires you to post? We need to show class?<br /><br />It's not the time for showing class and it is certainly not the time for lecturing others on showing class.<br /><br />And by the way UW is not a second rate school. Its a third rate school. I respect it as a good school, but there are clearly AT LEAST 2 tiers above it.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OskiMD;683244 said:</div><hr>Agree. UW is a great university and it's rather ridiculous for Cal fans to bash it on the basis of academics.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />jeez Cal fans can be so lame some times. So afraid of being proud to be Cal and so damned interested in being fair instead of having some self interest. "Let me lie down so I can make it easier for you to walk on me"<br /><br />People, care enough to have some fight in ya.<br /><br />I wonder if Tosh and Sark are having the class not to bash Cal today.

Its ironic that I really didn't see too many people bashing UW's academics before this post, but you better believe the bashing is going to start now.

Really? WE need to show some class? Have you not read the comments of the Husky faithful posting here? It got so bad here yesterday I actually liked the Duck posters....<br /><br />F*ck Washington!

2 Tiers - what would those be, the top 5 schools in the world for tier 1 and the top 6 - 15 for tier 2? When people put down schools like UW it makes me think of Stanford grads putting down Cal. It just makes you like like a snob or insecure, or both.<br /><br />And honestly dude, I have learned quite a bit in the business world over the years about ethics and handling crisis. The last thing you want to do is publicly bash your opponents. It makes you look petty and weak. We want our recruits to see Cal as a strong institution that can weather any storm - and in the grand scheme of things losing a few position coaches is not a major storm. There is nothing we can do to change what has happened except take the high road and improve our coaching staff.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SoCalBear323;683230 said:</div><hr>I wouldn't even take a **** at UW.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Aww, c'mon. I would at least take a **** on their snow. 'cuz that's what Huskies do. Yellow Snow Rules! Purple Reign and Golden Showers forevah!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OskiMD;683244 said:</div><hr>Agree. UW is a great university and it's rather ridiculous for Cal fans to bash it on the basis of academics.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />UCLOL and U$C are heads and shoulders above UW.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;683269 said:</div><hr>jeez Cal fans can be so lame some times. So afraid of being proud to be Cal and so damned interested in being fair instead of having some self interest. "Let me lie down so I can make it easier for you to walk on me"<br /><br />People, care enough to have some fight in ya.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />WTF?!? Do "we" have to show fight when it comes to that? I hope JT and co. do every damn thing they can to keep our recruits as well as expose lupoi for what he really did, but our internet fans being complete A-holes about UW's academics and students is not a necessary part of that.<br /><br />Do you realize some people out there are saying "Kal"'s program deserved to get nuked by UW? Let's not become the kind of people who everyone roots for to go down in flames. Let's not become USC fans.<br /><br />(Unless you think the entire UW student body signed off on lupoi's manuever before it all went down.....)

UW's student body did nothing to me. I have no issue with them. Let's just say, though, that defending their honor is not in my top list of priorities today. Defending their honor against baseless attacks from pissed off Cal fans is even further down the list.<br /><br />Do you think Tosh is defending our honor today?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">WhipItOutJoe;683247 said:</div><hr>Probably less than in state at UC these days. And no kids in college - they are 2 and 4 - but I would be fine if they went to UW. It is a great school and Seattle is a cool place if you can handle the weather.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I dunno. I met a Californian resident attending WSU. Her cost to go there was 50k a year. If that's on par with Udub, that's a lot of dough to enjoy seasonal affective disorder. You could enjoy that at Cal for 1/2 the cost.

UW is a good university - one of 10-15 interchangeable public schools where one can get a great education IMO, if that is one's desire. <br /><br />It is also one of these schools like USC (though obviously UW was never as bad as USC) that were not always that great and have made serious strides in rather recently (30 years)... so when you get into the older alumni, there's no guarantee they aren't brain dead. <br /><br />So obviously there is enough variance from person to person that you can't reasonably assume someone from a higher rated school A is better than someone from UW (or any other of the top public schools) like you can usually do for someone form, say, ASU. But huskies are so isolated up there in the NW many do have a strange sense of self importance that should be taken down a peg.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">pingpong2;683288 said:</div><hr>UCLOL and U$C are heads and shoulders above UW.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />$C above UW? That's laughable (and a horrible thing to say, really). And I never thought I'd see the day when a Cal fan would tout the academic excellence of $C. <br /><br />UW is not Oregon, Arizona, or Utah. It is a top public university on par with Texas, a bit below Cal, UCLA, and Michigan, but above most, if not all, other public institutions in the country. <br /><br />I understand the need to bash UW over the Tosh debacle (or scandal), but this is really misplaced bashing. Public enemy #1 is still Tosh.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">WhipItOutJoe;683283 said:</div><hr><br /><br />And honestly dude, I have learned quite a bit in the business world over the years about ethics and handling crisis. The last thing you want to do is publicly bash your opponents. It makes you look petty and weak. We want our recruits to see Cal as a strong institution that can weather any storm - and in the grand scheme of things losing a few position coaches is not a major storm. There is nothing we can do to change what has happened except take the high road and improve our coaching staff.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I also don't want to look like a holier than thou furd either. dude, its an internet message board, let people vent.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">WhipItOutJoe;683283 said:</div><hr>2 Tiers - what would those be, the top 5 schools in the world for tier 1 and the top 6 - 15 for tier 2? When people put down schools like UW it makes me think of Stanford grads putting down Cal. It just makes you like like a snob or insecure, or both.<br /><br />And honestly dude, I have learned quite a bit in the business world over the years about ethics and handling crisis. The last thing you want to do is publicly bash your opponents. It makes you look petty and weak. We want our recruits to see Cal as a strong institution that can weather any storm - and in the grand scheme of things losing a few position coaches is not a major storm. There is nothing we can do to change what has happened except take the high road and improve our coaching staff.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />And notice our staff is not publicly bashing them. That is their job, not ours. A handful of people make comments about UW in a sea of comments mostly directed at Tosh and secondarily at Sark, and rather than having some feeling about your school that got brutally attacked by an opponent, you see it as an opportunity to make yourself feel better than everyone by staying above the fray and posting a holier than thou plea for calm. (That is what you were doing even if you can't admit that to yourself). Sorry, I have no patience with that crap.<br /><br />If what is important to you right now is that people don't hurt UW's feelings, that says all I need to know.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">ColoradoBear1;683314 said:</div><hr>UW is a good university - one of 10-15 interchangeable public schools where one can get a great education IMO, if that is one's desire. <br /><br />It is also one of these schools like USC (though obviously UW was never as bad as USC) that were not always that great and have made serious strides in rather recently (30 years)... so when you get into the older alumni, there's no guarantee they aren't brain dead. <br /><br />So obviously there is enough variance from person to person that you can't reasonably assume someone from a higher rated school A is better than someone from UW (or any other of the top public schools) like you can usually do for someone form, say, ASU. But huskies are so isolated up there in the NW many do have a strange sense of self importance that should be taken down a peg.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Good post. If my kids ended up at UW, I would be completely fine with that (esp. if they were lucky to get a scholly). I'll let them make their choice. If they went there instead of Cal, I would cringe a little because Cal is an elite school, whereas UW is a very good school. Still, I don't need my kids to go to Punahou or Iolani, or Stanford or Cal, for them to make me happy (we'll see when the rubber meets the road though, huh, LOL). UW is a fine school in a fine city. What's with all the snowstorm bashing? Seattle is a really cool town. Our beef is with Sark, Tosh and Kiesau, not UW and the City of Seattle for being subject to a blizzard occasionally.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OskiMD;683315 said:</div><hr>$C above UW? That's laughable (and a horrible thing to say, really). And I never thought I'd see the day when a Cal fan would tout the academic excellence of $C. <br /><br />UW is not Oregon, Arizona, or Utah. It is a top public university on par with Texas, a bit below Cal, UCLA, and Michigan, but above most, if not all, other public institutions in the country. <br /><br />I understand the need to bash UW over the Tosh debacle (or scandal), but this is really misplaced bashing. Public enemy #1 is still Tosh.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm just looking at recent test scores, rate of admissions, and quality of faculty ($C has been buying up top notch faculty like crazy the last few years). There's a direct correlation between quality of students that enter and the strength of the school's academic programs.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;683328 said:</div><hr>And notice our staff is not publicly bashing them. That is their job, not ours. A handful of people make comments about UW in a sea of comments mostly directed at Tosh and secondarily at Sark, and rather than having some feeling about your school that got brutally attacked by an opponent, you see it as an opportunity to make yourself feel better than everyone by staying above the fray and posting a holier than thou plea for calm. (That is what you were doing even if you can't admit that to yourself). Sorry, I have no patience with that crap.<br /><br />If what is important to you right now is that people don't hurt UW's feelings, that says all I need to know.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Well, what you just said could also be seen as "holier than thou" (i.e. "I'm above saying I'm above attacking UW"<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />">. And then this post from me could be seen as the same thing ("I'm above saying I'm above saying I'm above attacking UW"<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />">. See where this is going? It never ends.<br /><br />There's no point in accusing someone of being "holier than thou". That could be applied to every post on this board. <br /><br />Bottom line....if we make fun of UW's (and Oregon's, and Colorado's, and Arizona's) academics, we're no better than the furds. If that bothers you.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;683269 said:</div><hr>jeez Cal fans can be so lame some times. So afraid of being proud to be Cal and so damned interested in being fair instead of having some self interest. <b>"Let me lie down so I can make it easier for you to walk on me"<br /><br />People, care enough to have some fight in ya.</b><br /><br />I wonder if Tosh and Sark are having the class not to bash Cal today.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Seriously. I seeing a number of Grade A vag's that need some fight in them. Now's a time to fight not to curl up in a ball or take the high road. <br /><br />There's a time to show indignation and this is one of them.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">ducky23;683323 said:</div><hr>... dude, its an internet message board, let people vent.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /> Well there's that - I have no problem with venting, although typing, reading, then deleting is often the best approach. My point was to focus on the right parties so we don't look like jerks. I doubt most recruits reading this board will change their feelings about Tosh based on what they see here, but their parents might. In any case don't let me interrupt the venting.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">WhipItOutJoe;683229 said:</div><hr>I know we are all upset by what we perceive as poaching by UW and perhaps some less than ethical behavior by one of our previously favored sons, but we should show some class regarding UW as an academic institution. I have seen several derogatory references to UW as a "second-rate" school in the myriad of threads regarding Lupoi-gate. UW is an excellent school and the actions of the football team does not change that. 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UW is one of the top 10-15 or so schools in the entire Pacific Northwest...cut 'em some slack. It will be interesting seeing Tosh trying to sell that program both academically and athletically as he did with Cal. There WAS love, passion and sincerity...along with substance. Now, it is just for a paycheck.

The glaring deficiency at UW that has Cal fans upset is in the area of ethics, not academics. Being sleazy is much, much worse than being stupid.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">WhipItOutJoe;683229 said:</div><hr>I know we are all upset by what we perceive as poaching by UW and perhaps some less than ethical behavior by one of our previously favored sons, but we should show some class regarding UW as an academic institution. I have seen several derogatory references to UW as a "second-rate" school in the myriad of threads regarding Lupoi-gate. UW is an excellent school and the actions of the football team does not change that. For your reference I present the Academic Ranking of World Universities - a ranking that we Cal Alums often point to as one of the better ranking systems out there: <br /><br /><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a></a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp""</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp"</a></a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br"""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br"""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br"</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br"</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br"</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br"</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp</a></a><br</a></a></a></a> /><br />Take note that UW is ranked the 16th best university in the WORLD and the 4th best public university in the United States.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Us News and World Report has UW ranked at #42. That sounds about right. If you can't get into one of the top 41, it is a good fallback school.

Go ahead and bash away. In the end, this is nothing more than a bunch of people arguing on the internets. I myself am a former SF resident and I always kinda liked Cal, and Berkeley. Our schools were never really that huge of rivals, but now with the formation of the North division and this episode to fan the flames, this is shaping up to be quite the entertaining rivalry that's taking shape. I personally am looking forward to another 20+ year long winning streak against you guys. <img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />">

<blockquote><div class="name-said">annarborbear;683966 said:</div><hr>Us News and World Report has UW ranked at #42. That sounds about right. If you can't get into one of the top 41, it is a good fallback school.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />And where is Cal rated in USN&WR? Does that ranking sound about right to you? I honestly don't know where Cal is ranked there and don't care as that ranking has zero credibility in my mind.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">WhipItOutJoe;683990 said:</div><hr>And where is Cal rated in USN&WR? Does that ranking sound about right to you? I honestly don't know where Cal is ranked there and don't care as that ranking has zero credibility in my mind.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Last I remember, it was 21ish? Lower than I would rank us, but not egregiously low (I'd put us around #10).

Sorry, but having spent over 20 years in Seattle, I am totally unimpressed with the education and work ethic of the majority of UW grads.<br />Take a look at Dawgman and you'll easily see the level of communication skills of Mutt fans.<br />The majority could not get through bone-head English. <br /><br />Their written and oral communication skills are sadly lacking.<br />Their analytic skills are minimal.<br /><br />UW is what it is but isn't close to the level of Cal on any basis.

After Washington beat us in football one year in the late 80s, I remember a Washington student actually tried to taunt us by saying "you berkely pussies study too fucking much."<br /><br />That quote says everything I need to hear about Udub.

If you believe UW is the 16th best school in the world (based on those rankings), you are delusional.<br /><br />As for most subjective rankings (in schools, in sports, etc.), only the top spots are really valid. Most can agree what the Top 5 schools are in the US. Order might be a little different and maybe 1 or 2 schools are switched out.<br /><br />Grad schools are even more consolidated.<br /><br />Once you get to discussing what the 30th or 40th best school is, then you're getting a lot of variability and differences in opinion since it's subjective (even if some variables are quantifiable).<br /><br />Cal is much better than UW in academic reputation. That point is not debatable. It's not being a snob to state that fact.

UW is not that great of a school, but not laughable either. They are known for their excellent medical school mostly. It's in the top quartile of large state research universities and probably middle of the pack in the Pac-10. 16th best university in the world IS laughable. We don't get many UW grads down this way so I have yet to meet any professionally, which is odd in itself given how many other quality schools are represented at my employer (which employs lots of engineering and science PhDs.) I imagine they all stay in the Pac NW.