If we actually lose Hoff that will suck. If we lose him to the Furd, that'd suck even more. I know he's not highly rated, but if you watched him play you would see he looks real good on the field. <br /><br />He's definitely one of those guys that people are aware of when you line up against him I think. Hopefully calgang gets on him and he stays on board.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">9thCircuitBear;693339 said:</div><hr>Now we know why Furd kicked CB Jontrey Tillman to the curb last Friday. While their <i>sports program </i>as a whole strives for success, their <i>football program </i>has always, does, and will always strive for only one thing: to make cal football unstable/dysfunctional and to keep its fans miserable/divided. When Furd saw the opportunity to take one of our players away, they dropped everything, couldn't care less how horrible it would make their program appear from a PR standpoint, and kicked Jontrey in the gutter. That's how they roll . . . and that's how they've always rolled, and that's how they willl continue to roll. 50 yrs of "bad luck" does not happen by accident.<br /><br />And they have a whole bunch more potential commits on the table still: mongoloids, really. This is all in response to the rumors they heard about us possibly having such a great year -- they did it in response, to frustrate us and belittle our accomplishment. Now this is going to be overboard.<br /><br />The point is, we need to recognize what they do, what they have been doing, and what they will continue to do. But we cannot let it define us. We need to focus on ourselves, and when we pull in one of our best recruiting classes ever, we need to give ourselves a pat on the back and not get distracted by them.<br /><br />On the college level, they are the worst imaginable rival anyone could ever have. On a professional level, the only one that compares is the Yankees, and you can ask the red sox about how that worked out for 3/4 a century.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />This is silly and just undermines your credibility. Before the LOIs are faxed in, everyone, including us, tries to poach others' recruits, and it is not dirty pool. (Well, it's dirty pool if you are recruiting for another school when working for Cal, but that's not the issue here.) Probably half our class last year was verbally "committed" to another school before signing with us.

It's fair game up to the very end, as each school and their coaches make their push...

I am summarizing key points in your long post: <br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">WCC-TheBearingPoint;693375 said:</div><hr>...I think the NCAA should have a set of rules:<br /><br />Max 5 Official Visits <br />Official visits must be completed 45 days prior to the NLOI Day. <br />60 min tour of the campus<br />60 min tour of the field/facilities of the recruiting school<br />30 min meeting with the Head Coach<br />15 min meeting with the Head Coach and Staff<br />1 luncheon or dinner with max 5 current players<br />1 luncheon or dinner with max 2 alumni<br />30 min in home visit with Head Coach <br />1 In-Home visit in Junior year + 1 in the Senior year, and shall be completed 30 days prior to the NLOI day. <br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />And you want kids to make INFORMED decisions based on this? Would you want your kid to make a 4-5 year decision based on 2 meals and 3 hours at the school with the coaches and players? If so, I've got some land in Florida to sell you. I really appreciate your efforts to clean up the process, but this is nuts. How is a kid from Mississippi going to get a feel for a school in Arizona (for example). At age 17/18, they know nothing, and are as likely to be swayed by some base-level response mechanism (naked dancing women at the luncheon) as anything. Big decisions take a lot more time, and I would advise that the kids have as much time and information as they need. That said, I am not a proponent of activities that encourage base-level decision making, and so am glad you've taken up some arguments to curb them.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">concordtom;693484 said:</div><hr>I am summarizing key points in your long post: <br /><br /><br /><br />And you want kids to make INFORMED decisions based on this? Would you want your kid to make a 4-5 year decision based on 2 meals and 3 hours at the school with the coaches and players? If so, I've got some land in Florida to sell you. I really appreciate your efforts to clean up the process, but this is nuts. How is a kid from Mississippi going to get a feel for a school in Arizona (for example). At age 17/18, they know nothing, and are as likely to be swayed by some base-level response mechanism (naked dancing women at the luncheon) as anything. Big decisions take a lot more time, and I would advise that the kids have as much time and information as they need. That said, I am not a proponent of activities that encourage base-level decision making, and so am glad you've taken up some arguments to curb them.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I think having the ability to meet with prospective school personnel in your junior and senior years is helpful, as I suggested, and I think nothing prevents a kid from visiting a campus with family and friends all they want. I think official contact with a program should be limited, precisely because of the naked dancing women at lunch example. If schools and their recruiters feel they have to go off the reservation to sell a program to an impressionable 17/18 year old, then the system is flawed. What are you teaching the kids? Until you put in a very draconian, admittedly, rules structure in place, the schools won't take the rules seriously. Your investments, physician, attorney, kids' school, neighborhood, etc. all require time to get comfortable before making the right decision. And you should be able to do that via phone calls, emails, letters, in homes, HS visits and campus visits. PLENTY of opportunity there. And even with the current system, many kids, MANY kids, boot the original program and decide to go elsewhere and sit out for a year. So that's still going to happen, but I think talented kids in HS need to learn there's a different expectation of maturity and responsibility at the next level. They get a schollie, they get special tutorial services, class schedules, etc., they need to know that a commitment is a COMMITMENT. Or else, what are we coaching them in college, that it's ok to trample your word because your recruiter skipped town or your best buddy went to a rival? It's time for the NCAA and its members, to grow the hell up. And there's no better place to start than the recruiting process. It needs a thorough scrubbing.

I hope Hoff has a sense of honor and sticks with Cal...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">GoBears58;693890 said:</div><hr>I hope Hoff has a sense of honor and sticks with Cal...<hr></blockquote><br />I believe he officially decommited. I have no issue with him going elsewhere now. I think it was honorable for him to take that act of decommitment when he knew he couldn't pledge 100% to Cal.