Brandon Huffman@BrandonHuffmanReply<br />Could get interesting here w/Stanford RT @jason247scout: Peoria (Az) Centennial safety Zach Hoffpauir decommitted from Cal today

<blockquote><div class="name-said">DMan_Cal;693276 said:</div><hr>Brandon Huffman@BrandonHuffmanReply<br />Could get interesting here w/Stanford RT @jason247scout: Peoria (Az) Centennial safety Zach Hoffpauir decommitted from Cal today<hr></blockquote><br /><br />How do these guys go on national TV and say "I'm going to Cal" and wave Cal flags and do the big C hand signal, et al, only to change a few days later?<br /><br />Seriously. I don't get it.<br />Must be like high school dating. One week it's Suzy, then Betty, only to leave the dance with Jennifer.<br /><br />Let's just keep recruiting DJ Foster. His announcement means nothing.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">concordtom;693282 said:</div><hr>How do these guys go on national TV and say "I'm going to Cal" and wave Cal flags and do the big C hand signal, et al, only to change a few days later?<br /><br />Seriously. I don't get it.<br />Must be like high school dating. One week it's Suzy, then Betty, only to leave the dance with Jennifer.<br /><br />Let's just keep recruiting DJ Foster. His announcement means nothing.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Heard that the All Star games put a lot of pressure on kids to put on a hat.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">concordtom;693282 said:</div><hr>How do these guys go on national TV and say "I'm going to Cal" and wave Cal flags and do the big C hand signal, et al, only to change a few days later?<br /><br />Seriously. I don't get it.<br />Must be like high school dating. One week it's Suzy, then Betty, only to leave the dance with Jennifer.<br /><br />Let's just keep recruiting DJ Foster. His announcement means nothing.<hr></blockquote><br />It's been a couple of weeks not days since the All-star game.

he got into Furd since then

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LocoOso;693289 said:</div><hr>Heard that the All Star games put a lot of pressure on kids to put on a hat.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Hoff has been committed for months...

this is just crazy wow damn hoff. bet bruce gets that offer now wow

FML ... when it rains it pours... shaping up to be a crappy ending to a once promising recruiting season ...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LessMilesMoreTedford;693296 said:</div><hr>Hoff has been committed for months...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The question was, <i>"How do these guys go on national TV and say "I'm going to Cal" and wave Cal flags and do the big C hand signal, et al, only to change a few days later?" </i><br /><br />I'm not referring specifically to Hoffpauir.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">stanfurdbites;693299 said:</div><hr>FML ... when it rains it pours... shaping up to be a crappy ending to a once promising recruiting season ...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />What?.....we are still going to have a very promising and good class. It will hardly be a crappy ending...

#^*& mutha #^*& friggin $%&*# #$$ &^%*$!!!!!!!

True dat, CalFan2. Still doesn't feel like it atm.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">concordtom;693282 said:</div><hr>How do these guys go on national TV and say "I'm going to Cal" and wave Cal flags and do the big C hand signal, et al, only to change a few days later?<br /><br />Seriously. I don't get it.<br />Must be like high school dating. One week it's Suzy, then Betty, only to leave the dance with Jennifer.<br /><br />Let's just keep recruiting DJ Foster. His announcement means nothing.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Just provides another OPENING for our man, Shaq in Sac!<br /><br />Hopefully, the "smoke signals" have wafted his way...as he firms up his decision.<br /><br />:gobears:

FWIW - I really dislike the word "commit" with recruiting .... what does it really mean??

I was ok with Foster not committing, but this really sucks

<blockquote><div class="name-said">calgldnbear;693308 said:</div><hr>FWIW - I really dislike the word "commit" with recruiting .... what does it really mean??<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Playing hard to get.<br /><br />:sarc:

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal_Fan2;693301 said:</div><hr>What?.....we are still going to have a very promising and good class. It will hardly be a crappy ending...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Put it this way, I would gladly exchange Hoffpauir for Armstead (if we land him) as we weren't totally sure if Arik was coming to Cal in the first place even with Tosh. Armstead, Treggs and Shaq would make it a special class no matter what.

As long as we get Shaq, this is not a big loss IMO.<br /><br />Shaq & Drew will be more than enough for this signing class. We need to sign some CBs. Ford & Beaver would be great.

Not to be one of the "so and so sucks now because he decommitted," but is this really a huge loss? PR-wise, it's never good to lose commits, but I'm more excited about Damariay Drew at safety than this guy.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">AU_Bears;693326 said:</div><hr>Not to be one of the "so and so sucks now because he decommitted," but is this really a huge loss? PR-wise, it's never good to lose commits, but I'm more excited about Damariay Drew at safety than this guy.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Yes, Hoffpauir is a great player and someone I dont want going to Stanford

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal_Fan2;693301 said:</div><hr>What?.....we are still going to have a very promising and good class. It will hardly be a crappy ending...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Ha, no, I get it. If we close out with Shaq and AA, we're solid. But it is our fiduciary duty as Cal fans to expect the worse and I've already lowered my bar in order not to be so disappointed if further bad news comes out. If uncle mo switches back, in business terms, then I'll consider it a net gain since my carrying value is near 0.

there is a rumor that some people think its best to wait for signing day...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">9thCircuitBear;693339 said:</div><hr>While their <i>sports program </i>as a whole strives for success, their <i>football program </i>has always, does, and will always strive for only one thing: to make cal football unstable/dysfunctional and to keep its fans miserable/divided. 50 yrs of "bad luck" does not happen by accident.<br /><br />On the college level, they are the worst imaginable rival anyone could ever have. On a professional level, the only one that compares is the Yankees, and you can ask the red sox about how that worked out for 3/4 a century.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Before Harbaugh they sucked. They have not dominated the rivalry between the two schools. This is not UW-WSU.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">9thCircuitBear;693339 said:</div><hr>Now we know why Furd kicked CB Jontrey Tillman to the curb last Friday. While their <i>sports program </i>as a whole strives for success, their <i>football program </i>has always, does, and will always strive for only one thing: to make cal football unstable/dysfunctional and to keep its fans miserable/divided. When Furd saw the opportunity to take one of our players away, they dropped everything, couldn't care less how horrible it would make their program appear from a PR standpoint, and kicked Jontrey in the gutter. That's how they roll . . . and that's how they've always rolled, and that's how they willl continue to roll. 50 yrs of "bad luck" does not happen by accident.<br /><br />And they have a whole bunch more potential commits on the table still: mongoloids, really. This is all in response to the rumors they heard about us possibly having such a great year -- they did it in response, to frustrate us and belittle our accomplishment. Now this is going to be overboard.<br /><br />The point is, we need to recognize what they do, what they have been doing, and what they will continue to do. But we cannot let it define us. We need to focus on ourselves, and when we pull in one of our best recruiting classes ever, we need to give ourselves a pat on the back and not get distracted by them.<br /><br />On the college level, they are the worst imaginable rival anyone could ever have. On a professional level, the only one that compares is the Yankees, and you can ask the red sox about how that worked out for 3/4 a century.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Sort of off thread, but on topic: I noticed that a Jason Thompson, a WR commit at UW, has de-commited for Wyoming. Meanwhile, Cediric Dozier is being hosted by UW this weekend...who are probably now tempting him with a WR scholarship....

Is it just me or does anyone else think he watched the DJ Foster announcement and decided he wanted to do the same and in order to build buzz he decommits and is likely to announce he's going to Cal on the live stream?<br /><br />COME ON HOFFBEAR!<br /><br />:gobears:

Both are from Arizona. I was incredulous that DJ chose party school ASU over the academics of Cal. I'll really be dumbfounded if Zach selects the Sun Devils over both Stanford & Cal...GO BEARS!<br /><br />_________________________________________________________________<br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">mbBear;693295 said:</div><hr>he got into Furd since then<hr></blockquote>

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Bear Island;693355 said:</div><hr>Hard to believe after our upgrade at DL coach. I would have thought that would reassure him.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Sometimes, Stanford's snobby cache is the determinant.<br /><br /><img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />">rooling

Whatever<br /><br />#wehaveallthatweneed<br /><br />I would point out that our OL recruits/commits are all solid as hell. That is where we need the greatest help.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">socaltownie;693368 said:</div><hr> I would point out that our OL recruits/commits are all solid as hell. That is where we need the greatest help.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Mostly agree, with the only caveat being that I'd put Defensive Back (and more specifically Safety) right being OL as our biggest needs. Not havin ZH, and potentially not getting Shaq as well, would both be big hits.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">califasbear;693297 said:</div><hr>What?<br /><br /><img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />" /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />In the run up to NLOI day, I think the NCAA should have a set of rules that have more clarity and more enforcement than what you find today.<br /><br />For instance (professing complete ignorance of the rules in the CURRENT process, and an admitted abhorrence of excessive and irrelevant regulation in almost all cases, I submit to you..)<br /><br />a) Verbal commitments mean nothing and therefore perhaps a rule is in order that states no Athletic Department or other official school representative, and no student-athlete, or other representative, parent, sibling, guardian, coach or any other individual associated w/ the student, shall be allowed to verbally communicate ANYTHING regarding a student-athlete's commitment until such time as that commitment is delivered in a universally accepted format (The official NCAA LOI format). <br /><br />b) Students may visit up to 5 schools of their choice in an official capacity, and that capacity shall include AND be limited to:<br /><br />a) a 60 min tour of the campus<br />b) a 60 min tour of the field/facilities of the recruiting school<br />c) a 30 min meeting with the Head Coach<br />d) a 15 min meeting with the Head Coach and Staff<br />e) a luncheon or dinner with no more than 5 current players on roster<br />f) a luncheon or dinner with no more than 2 alumni<br />g) a full reporting of the visit, including any gifts or monetary awards or reimbursements received, tour directors for items a+b, names of attendees for items c+d, names of attendees and locations for items e+f<br />h) Official visits must be completed 45 days prior to the NLOI Day. Waivers can be granted by the NCAA, but must be communicated to the other schools who have scheduled and/or completed the official visit process with the student-athlete.<br /><br />c) The Head Coach and ONE other official recruiting representative (assistants, GA's, school representatives) may conduct a 30 min. in home visit with the student-athlete, accompanied by a full reporting of date, time, place, attendees. The student-athlete may be accompanied by immediate family or guardians ONLY as well as ONE coach from HS (head coach or assistant), and ONE HS official (counselor, teacher or other representative) if desired. Such visits may be conducted once in the Junior year and once in the Senior year of the student-athlete, and shall be completed 30 days prior to the NLOI day and no later. Waivers of this deadline must be granted by the NCAA and must be communicated to the other schools who have filed for and/or completed home visits with the student athlete.<br /><br />d) The Head Coach and ONE other official recruiting representative (as noted above) may conduct up to TWO scouting visits each year to a given HS. The scouting visits to the school will be announced in advance, to the HS Head Coach and Principal. The visits will be confined to viewing the game, and recording the game and activities of student-athletes targeted. No information needs to be disclosed as to which student-athletes are being targeted. Any conversations between the recruiting Head Coach and other official recruiting representative AND the Student-Athlete must be in the company of the student-athlete's HS Head Coach or other HS representative. No meals, gifts, monetary sums, favors, or other items or services of any value can be presented to the student-athlete at ANY TIME. Each scouting visit must occur and be completed during the athletic season of the sport to which the student-athlete is being recruited. Off season, private workouts and the like are STRICTLY PROHIBITED.<br /><br />e) the official NCAA LOI must be completed, signed and notarized prior to delivery to the school, to the attention of the Head Coach and the Athletic Director of the recruiting school that the student-athlete wishes to commit to. These letters, upon receipt, shall be recorded and forwarded to the NCAA's headquarters in Indiana by midnight local time on the NLOI Day. Fines and penalties will be assessed by the NCAA for any violations of the protocol required to file the LOI with the school of commitment. The NCAA may, at its discretion, require commits to certain schools who chronically violate such rules, to submit the completed, signed and notarized LOI form to the NCAA itself. Schools that chronically violate the the LOI rules can lose scholarships and be sanctioned in other ways until such time as the NCAA feels satisfied that the school's LOI practices are in compliance with the rules set forth.<br /><br />f) In the event a Head Coach or other official recruiting representative (assistant, GA, other school representative) through a VOLUNTARY decision, begins employment with another school within 60 days of the NLOI Day, that person(s) is barred from contact with the student-athlete until the NLOI Day. Incidents of phone calls, emails, letters or 3rd party communications must be reported by the student-athlete. Failure to report will result in the student-athlete's LOI submission to be considered null and void until 30 days AFTER the NLOI Day. If the student-athlete has not submitted an LOI by midnight local time of the NLOI Day, he/she must wait until 30 days after the NLOI Day before accepting communications from ANY school, or initiating communications with ANY school. This will be known as the 'quiet period', where no official recruiting activity may take place, and where all unofficial recruiting activity will be penalized. Upon the expiration of 30 days from the NLOI Day, the student may communicate with schools for a period of 5 calendar days. Visits by the student-athlete or the recruiting schools are strictly PROHIBITED during the 5 day open period. Phone calls, emails, letters and 3rd party communication are permitted, but no in-person meetings are allowed. At midnight local time of the 5th day after the NLOI Day, the student athlete MUST submit a completed, signed and notarized LOI to the school of his/her choice. Failure to meet this deadline will result in the student-athlete being barred from accepting scholarships to any NCAA school in any division, for the sport originally being recruited. The student-athlete must petition the NCAA for 'walk on' status and that petition shall be approved or denied by the NCAA no later than March 15 of any calendar year.<br /><br /><br />Granted, I had a bit of time here and a bit frustration with the insidious process of recruiting in the NCAA. That being said, kids need to know they're 17/18, they're going to have an opportunity of a lifetime, and there will be rules and regulations allowing them plenty of time and information to make their decisions. The 'all star' games featuring student athletes are a fun way to see these students in action, but should not ever be used as a showcase to force a commitment by these students without the proper time, information and process to do so.<br /><br />The NCAA, in my opinion, has lost all credibility. It is a fossil of an earlier age where there was NO REGULATION of collegiate sports. The structure and pomp and circumstance have all been inflated in great measure, but the REGULATION of collegiate sports is being trampled in the process.<br /><br />High school is what it is, most of us feel lucky we survived it psychologically and physically, in hindsight. It's not a place or time for kids to be bombarded by the predators in collegiate recruiting, but a place and time for kids to learn how to make solid, honest decisions, and how to develop a comfort level with commitment after proper due diligence, and how to hold to those commitments once they are made. That's what ADULT life is all about, and that's what the NCAA completely disregards in its oversight of collegiate sports. Not many ADULTS are being formed, nurtured and graduated. And I put that all on the NCAA and its member schools. It's an outright sham.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Aggie Bear;693370 said:</div><hr>Mostly agree, with the only caveat being that I'd put Defensive Back (and more specifically Safety) right being OL as our biggest needs. Not havin ZH, and potentially not getting Shaq as well, would both be big hits.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Especially since The Furd has a pretty good class (=so far) on both sides of the line...<br /><br />:gobears:

Everybody should just wait until the last day to commit, he's enrolled with Stanford but it's really between CAL and Stanford, but it's just a gut but he's pulling near Stanford now. Stanford got Garnett yesterday and maybe Kyle Murphy and Aziz Shittu, they are going for the North with or without Andrew Luck.

When you youngsters get older, and wiser(?), you'll "get it", whatever "it" is. Memorial opens in about 200 days.:cheer

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Aggie Bear;693370 said:</div><hr>Mostly agree, with the only caveat being that I'd put Defensive Back (and more specifically Safety) right being OL as our biggest needs. Not havin ZH, and potentially not getting Shaq as well, would both be big hits.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Agreed. But I still feel good about Shaq. Again, where this team just struggled for the past few years is moving the other guys off the line on offense. I will take our 2 stud LM and Zach Kline and be happy. the rest of the guys that ARE committing on Feb 1 are icing on the cake.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">StanFan;693387 said:</div><hr>Proof of this? Please. Other than your blinded opinion of Stanford with no facts that this actually happened. BTW Stanford holds a 12 game lead?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />He's not too far off. Word on the street is (I know a few recruits) that Tillman and his family are NOT happy about how Stanford handled this situation.<br /><br />I feel for the kid.