recruiting at an elite level was going to make him a better coach? <br /> Either you (not you in particular) think he can recruit at a good enough level for Cal to be successful (and however someone defines that) or not...I understand the frustration of the day, but this class isn't going to be inconsistent with other Cal recruiting efforts...

Of course Tedford deserves a large share of the blame for the losses post Tosh. Tosh more than Tedford was the face of Cal to these young men. Name one other school in the country where a recruiter/assistant coach so clearly held the power of his program in his own hands. This is an indictment of Tedford, and the fact that all these recruits left/decided not to come speaks to how Cal is truly perceived when separate from Tosh, and that is ultimately Tedford's failure. <br />Those who say otherwise are floating down a river in Egypt, and good for them. Maybe it helps them avoid the pain many of us are feeling at this moment. <br />I'm hopeful still, however, that Tedford can change things around. And if he does I feel he will have the most important recruit in this class to thank for it. And for that he'll hopefully be ultimately responsible as well.

Urban Meyer? Yea let's become Ohio state more violations on the way.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Aggie Bear;697001 said:</div><hr>Of course Tedford deserves a large share of the blame for the losses post Tosh. Tosh more than Tedford was the face of Cal to these young men. Name one other school in the country where a recruiter/assistant coach so clearly held the power of his program in his own hands. This is an indictment of Tedford, and the fact that all these recruits left/decided not to come speaks to how Cal is truly perceived when separate from Tosh, and that is ultimately Tedford's failure. <br />Those who say otherwise are floating down a river in Egypt, and good for them. Maybe it helps them avoid the pain many of us are feeling at this moment. <br />I'm hopeful still, however, that Tedford can change things around. And if he does I feel he will have the most important recruit in this class to thank for it. And for that he'll hopefully be ultimately responsible as well.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br /><br />Well said.

Sorry, I thought you had Tedford pegged as a bad coach no matter what the circumstances were. <br />Okay, so he and Cal need more talent, that "in line with prior efforts" isn't good enough. Not sure that is in line with your argument the other day, but I think its a reasonable point nonetheless.

Eh, you are right for about what, a half a dozen coaches? I would put Stoops in that category but Cal is in on Beaver because of a lost assistant with the Sooners. Recruiters count, assistants count. And what do you say about the guys who are staying? <br /> I would also add: Tosh had absolutely nothing to do with the greatest player in the Tedford era.<br />I think your comments would hold more water if there were guys transferring as well.

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<blockquote><div class="name-said">Boot;697003 said:</div><hr>Urban Meyer? Yea let's become Ohio state more violations on the way.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Meyer has no history of NCAA run-ins at any of his previous stops...

Tedford is ultimately entirely responsible for the success of the football program, which includes all aspects of college football, including recruiting.<br /><br />Things like tree sitters and having to play a season in a lousy SF venue are not his fault. Things like closed practices are his management style and not in themselves an indication of success or failure.<br /><br />Ultimately, wins and losses are what matters. Program momentum and long-term success are extremely important.<br /><br />If it's the conclusion that this recruiting class is a failure, and I'm not saying it is, then yes, that's Tedford's failure, and paired with recent subpar results on the field, would bode poorly for his future as a coach. <br /><br />Personally I'm inclined to believe that a team which barely eked out a winning season and which lands a top 25 recruiting class has overperformed on the recruiting end, and this would indicate we should see more wins in the near future. But each can make their own assessment of the situation.<br /><br />Either way, I expect the talent on this team, and the talent coming on board, to produce success on the field, because that's the true measure of recruiting, and coaching, success. If that doesn't happen, for whatever reason, then Tedford has failed and should be replaced.

Some of these comments are pretty pathetic. JT loses 1recruit who probably never really wanted to go to school wher his brother went and all of a sudden JT is the worst football coach in the history of mankind. 9 wins next year, great class coming in new stadium and facilities,please relax before you stroke out. You know it,you tell the story,you tell the whole Damn world this is Bear Territory.

Sorry, I missed the thread that was critical of Tedford's recruiting efforts last year.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Boot;697614 said:</div><hr>Some of these comments are pretty pathetic. JT loses 1recruit who probably never really wanted to go to school wher his brother went and all of a sudden JT is the worst football coach in the history of mankind. 9 wins next year, great class coming in new stadium and facilities,please relax before you stroke out. You know it,you tell the story,you tell the whole Damn world this is Bear Territory.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />No, that's not it Boot. The point is that there is a poor management issue here that needs to be corrected. Just from a management and functional component of recruiting, it is a bad idea to place the majority of recruiting duties into the hands of one man. Sh*t happens. Like I just posted in another thread, the management failure here (blame Tedford or Sandy Barbour) is that he was allowed to continue seeing and meeting these recruits after we knew he was interviewing with another school. And if I have my timeline correct, he was allowed to meet with a recruit after we counter-offered. This should have set off alarm bells in the Athletic Department. We should have banned travel for him at the point we knew he was interviewing and Tedford should have assumed the role of principal recruiter.<br /><br />Despite our academic excellence - it does represent a black eye to the athletic department and perhaps the university if a recruit decides to bail with the one person he had a personal relationship with. Some major management functions need to change here.

The issue Tedford is now going to be running into is a perception problem. There is an easy way to fix it -- win at least 9 games the upcoming season. Failing that, I think he'll get one more year after the upcoming one to do it, tops.<br /><br />Perception and results are what drive donations (look at UW -- Sark certainly doesn't have the results -- but he has the perception. This is something he understands, since he has salesman's personality, that JT does not).

One quote is said and suddenly JT has a bad image with all highly rated recruits. <br /><br />Come on.<br /><br />Plenty of other teams either had similar season or worse than us last year. Same can be said for several years going back. <br /><br />Too much has been made of "live by the Tosh, die by the Tosh." Come next year, I think we'll do good-to-great with recruiting without Tosh.<br /><br />Our d-line will be awesome without Tosh.<br /><br />Time will tell.

Maxer - you are right. The most glaring example of a perception problem is that some people are already speculating that 2014 will be the season. Just last year they were expecting that 2012 was going to be the year. Cal's stock, even amongst its most loyal and avid fans, has gone into a nose dive. That is a big problem.