Or perhaps this question could be asked in another way: <br /><br />How many head coaches in the Pac-12 would lose (potentially, at this point) so many big recruits because they lost one assistant coach, albeit the main recruiting guy? <br /><br />It's hard to imagine Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll, Jim Harbough, or other top head coaches losing so many recruits because one 31 year old assistant bolted. Especially not when the coach, like Tedford, has been entrenched at the university for a decade. I think a lot of this has to do with Tedford's noted character traits/deficits, namely his reticent and stoic nature lacking almost completely in charisma and the ability to motivate or fire up kids or even connect on a personal level with people (besides his famed 'ethics' and 'classiness'). He is just out of touch most likely and unable to close the deal with recruits that are not completely solid. <br /><br />Or maybe if Douche Lupoi hadn't bolted so late in the game Tedford would have been able to sway those recruits who were wavering. <br /><br />But if Tedford can't coach, and he can't even recruit well without a young assistant who is plays Xbox and twitters to connect with recruits, then what exactly is he getting paid upwards of $3million a year for?

Bottom line: something is horribly wrong.

he also screwed up having Lupoi being the only coach a lot of these recruits built a bond with.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OskiMD;696630 said:</div><hr>Or perhaps this question could be asked in another way: <br /><br />How many head coaches in the Pac-12 would lose (potentially, at this point) so many big recruits because they lost one assistant coach, albeit the main recruiting guy? <br /><br />It's hard to imagine Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll, Jim Harbough, or other top head coaches losing so many recruits because one 31 year old assistant bolted. Especially not when the coach, like Tedford, has been entrenched at the university for a decade. I think a lot of this has to do with Tedford's noted character traits/deficits, namely his reticent and stoic nature lacking almost completely in charisma and the ability to motivate or fire up kids or even connect on a personal level with people (besides his famed 'ethics' and 'classiness'). He is just out of touch most likely and unable to close the deal with recruits that are not completely solid. <br /><br />Or maybe if Douche Lupoi hadn't bolted so late in the game Tedford would have been able to sway those recruits who were wavering. <br /><br />But if Tedford can't coach, and he can't even recruit well without a young assistant who is plays Xbox and twitters to connect with recruits, then what exactly is he getting paid upwards of $3million a year for?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />It's a good question. He doesn't make upwards of $3m/year though. I think it's around $2.3m.<br /><br />I think Tedford likes scheming offenses. I think that's his greatest strength. He doesn't seem to have a "salesman's personality", which more and more seems to be important in college football coaching.

The problem is larger than the individual recruits. It's obvious that Cal Football has a very serious image problem. Regardless of how it's all started and who was to blame, the news in the last couple of weeks has made us a laughingstock in the PAC-12. Forget Shaq Thompson. I'm more concerned about the Class of 2013 and beyond. The brand isn't what it was a month ago. Bold steps are going to be required to change that.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">WarTime Consigliere;696639 said:</div><hr>he also screwed up having Lupoi being the only coach a lot of these recruits built a bond with.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />its a mistake he will obviously learn from.... to be fair... just like him we had no idea tosh wold ever leave. :tedford

Would love to see this thread later in the week...I am sure many will have a lot to say.

I agree. The buck has to stop somewhere, and if you're the man at the top, you get the blame along with the credit. No more excuses for the Tedford regime. Just get it done. I don't want to hear 3 years from now...we would've had the talent to get to the Rose Bowl, but Tosh screwed it all up.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">TheSouseFamily;696648 said:</div><hr>The problem is larger than the individual recruits. It's obvious that Cal Football has a very serious image problem. Regardless of how it's all started and who was to blame, the news in the last couple of weeks has made us a laughingstock in the PAC-12. Forget Shaq Thompson. I'm more concerned about the Class of 2013 and beyond. The brand isn't what it was a month ago. Bold steps are going to be required to change that.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Unfortunately it is the non-competitive blowouts and the failure to compete in big games. When kids thing the world revolves around them and they are "gods" then it is hard to commit to a program that loses by 40 to USC.<br /><br />What I find, however, the most interesting is that kids like Kline get sold the RIGHT way on the program - they fall in love with the university. More of that, less love for the kids that think they are special. <br /><br />Shaq - best of luck and don't blow out any knees. Microsoft doesn't hire Sports communication majors.

The biggest mistake JT made was giving a jerk like To$h his first job and the other opportunities To$h had at Cal to better himself without realizing the guy was a first class a-hole.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">maxer;696644 said:</div><hr>It's a good question. He doesn't make upwards of $3m/year though. I think it's around $2.3m.<br /><br />I think Tedford likes scheming offenses. I think that's his greatest strength. He doesn't seem to have a "salesman's personality", which more and more seems to be important in college football coaching.<hr></blockquote>Tedford's strength is scheming offenses.<br /><br />Motherfcking yikes.

He seems like a dcent guy and cares about the kids, but what, football-wise does he do well?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">TheSouseFamily;696648 said:</div><hr>The problem is larger than the individual recruits. It's obvious that Cal Football has a very serious image problem. Regardless of how it's all started and who was to blame, the news in the last couple of weeks has made us a laughingstock in the PAC-12. Forget Shaq Thompson. I'm more concerned about the Class of 2013 and beyond. The brand isn't what it was a month ago. Bold steps are going to be required to change that.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That's my take too. The only bright side is that maybe people aren't noticing since it's the offseason. None of us are going to get any crap at work or school tomorrow unlike after when we lost 30-9 to USC at "home".<br /><br />But to anyone who's watching, this is absolutely f---ing humiliating, and anyone who would claim otherwise is either a hell of a spin-meister or seriously high. Our program just got jumped in the parking lot, beaten and pissed on, and we looked clueless and impotent the whole time, never even seeing it coming until the first blow to the back of the head.<br /><br />So what fixes the damage to our "brand"? "Bold steps"? You think JT and Sandy are going to attend a seminar or something and whip up a cure off the field? The one thing that can quickly repair the damage (and prevent further damage as "the ones that got away" have monster careers) is a surprise 2012 season. Maybe we'll just get really lucky, bust out of our slump of uninspired recent seasons under JT, and over-achieve. <br /><br />We've got to keep the faith, because Cal remains our school. But denial is an ugly thing.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">510Bear;696676 said:</div><hr>That's my take too. The only bright side is that maybe people aren't noticing since it's the offseason. None of us are going to get any crap at work or school tomorrow unlike after when we lost 30-9 to USC at "home".<br /><br />But to anyone who's watching, this is absolutely f---ing humiliating, and anyone who would claim otherwise is either a hell of a spin-meister or seriously high. Our program just got jumped in the parking lot, beaten and pissed on, and we looked clueless and impotent the whole time.<br /><br />So what fixes it? "Bold steps"? You think JT and Sandy are going to attend a seminar or something and whip up a cure off the field? The one thing that can quickly repair the damage to our "brand" is a surprise 2012 season. Maybe we'll just get really lucky, bust out of our slump of uninspired recent seasons under JT, and over-achieve. <br /><br />We've got to keep the faith, because Cal remains our school. But denial is an ugly thing.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />So go pay 5000 and go to the next BB luncheon and raise hell.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">TheSouseFamily;696648 said:</div><hr>The problem is larger than the individual recruits. It's obvious that Cal Football has a very serious image problem. Regardless of how it's all started and who was to blame, the news in the last couple of weeks has made us a laughingstock in the PAC-12. Forget Shaq Thompson. I'm more concerned about the Class of 2013 and beyond. The brand isn't what it was a month ago. Bold steps are going to be required to change that.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I am not a Tedford supporter or a hater. All I want is for him to learn from his freaking mistakes as long as he is here. Instead of regressing every time there is a shock to the system or going into a shell or becoming even more stubborn, I want him to learn from this experience what qualities are needed for the recruiting game, learn to spread the recruiting (even with each recruit), learn to praise the coaches and the kids, learn to take the blame as the head coach, and learn that this is war.

The reason there is so much more uncertainty after to$h's departure than usual is because he gets in tighter with these recruits than just about any other coach in the nation. Thus when he bails it has a bigger impact because he means more to the recruits. It's not JT's fault that some of these recruits don't realize that <b>it is Cal that made to$h great rather than to$h that made Cal great</b>. I feel most people would be smart enough to realize that when someone acts the way to$h did then obviously they aren't who you thought they were. However the one good thing about all this is we will see who the true Bears are. This class will be bound together stronger than usual by weathering this storm and hopefully it will help propel them to greatness.

95%. I'm not even sure what redeeming qualities he has anymore - obviously he wasn't the great recruiter we all envisioned him to be as Tosh was the glue behind all these recruits, and clearly he can't develop a quarterback or a decent offense anymore. <br /><br />I'm going to give him a couple more years just because these last few weeks of the recruiting season have been a total wash and to see how he will use the SAHPC to his advantage. If we don't succeed in the next 2-4 years, he's probably as good as gone. <br /><br />He's an NFL head coach stuck in college football. All his best qualities are better off in the NFL, and he doesn't necessarily resonate with college kids for whatever reason.

What I don't get is when reading that academics was a HUGE factor in their decision to leave cal...stumped

<blockquote><div class="name-said">sfgiants92388;696688 said:</div><hr>95%. I'm not even sure what redeeming qualities he has anymore -<b> obviously he wasn't the great recruiter we all envisioned him to be as Tosh was the glue behind all these recruits, and clearly he can't develop a quarterback or a decent offense anymore.</b> <br /><br />I'm going to give him a couple more years just because these last few weeks of the recruiting season have been a total wash and to see how he will use the SAHPC to his advantage. If we don't succeed in the next 2-4 years, he's probably as good as gone. <br /><br />He's an NFL head coach stuck in college football. All his best qualities are better off in the NFL, and he doesn't necessarily resonate with college kids for whatever reason.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Dude losing 4 or 5 is not the whole class...McCarthy was as good as gone no matter what happened and a couple of the WRs were bound to leave just because having 7 come in at the same time means at least 1 or 2 won't get playing time.

u think u guys always bashing tedford is helping us keep our recruits?<br /><br />tosh and tedford aren't the reason we lose recruits... its u bums that talk crap about the winningest coach in cal football histroy... u guys honestly suck... i didn't even waste my time reading this thread.<br /><br />:tedford:tedford:tedford:tedford:tedford:tedford:tedford:tedford:tedford:tedford

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SonofBlue;696696 said:</div><hr>Dude losing 4 or 5 is not the whole class...McCarthy was as good as gone no matter what happened and a couple of the WRs were bound to leave just because having 7 come in at the same time means at least 1 or 2 won't get playing time.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />logic is not allowed here...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Phantomfan;696668 said:</div><hr>Tedford's strength is scheming offenses.<br /><br />Motherfcking yikes.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That deserves a:<br /><br />:rollinglaugh:<br /><br />and a:<br /><br />:headbang<br /><br />at the same time.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">icecreamman11;696691 said:</div><hr>What I don't get is when reading that academics was a HUGE factor in their decision to leave cal...stumped<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I was thinking about this as I was pumping up Cal as an academic institution on Twitter. I'm thinking many kids may not actually like that! Then I thought of a guy like Markuss Eligwe and someone mentioned that Nigerian culture is really big on academics and perhaps that is why Cal is still alive with him. Maybe we should have said our academics suck compared to UW and Oregon, LOL, and that you can party and play football in the Berkeley town.

Maybe some kids just want to ball and not worry about actually having to attend classes. Because honestly, who actually likes to study?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Tedhead03;696864 said:</div><hr>Maybe some kids just want to ball and not worry about actually having to attend classes. Because honestly, who actually likes to study?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />No one -- even the smart kids, or esp. the smart kids -- like to study. I wanted to be part of the prestige of Cal though. I guess some of these kids don't care. They're looking for national championships, NFL and an easy degree. Well I guess they figure they will be out of school in 3 years anyway. Good on them.

I have mentioned this same thing several times in various threads here. You are absolutely right. Yes, Tedford and Cal were given the royal shaft by Traitor Lupoi and a devious UW football program......BUT, with a strong, highly respected coach this should have been a mere speed bump with which to contend. A Harbaugh or Pete Carroll or Chip Kelly type coach in place, and we are saying......"Tosh who? Yeah, whatever....let's move on....." I know, I know, we all love Tedford's integrity over these other guys.....but come on, we've been making excuses for him for years now. Recruits used to come here because of Tedford.....now it looks like many of them could care less he's here. Frankly, I feel the same way.....

Just like he's learned from his quarterback problems from......well, let's see, how long has it been since he's produced a good one? Just as his offenses have become more and more boring to watch, I wouldn't hold my breath he'll learn a thing from this.....and why can't he ever be proactive rather than reactive???

Reposting from another thread:<br /><br />I don't get any sense of charisma with Jeff Tedford. He seems like he's very cerebral, very introverted. While that's well and good in the pros, where the GMs are bringing in the players, in college, I would think its very detrimental to recruiting.<br /><br />Can 18-19 year old kids relate to Jeff Tedford? <br /><br />I remember when I watched this video of Pete Carroll <a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> I thought, "This guy must be a hell of a recruiter."

Can we get Gladstone back at AD?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">GoBears58;696880 said:</div><hr>Can we get Gladstone back at AD?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Can we hire Steve Mariucci to be our ace recruiter? That guy can tell fake stories of water pumps and make grown men cry.

Anyone who doesn't think Tedford is at least partially to blame for this DEBACLE is in denial.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Tedhead03;696864 said:</div><hr>Maybe some kids just want to ball and not worry about actually having to attend classes. Because honestly, who actually likes to study?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Exactly<br /><br />When these extremely talented kids are highly recruited and are constantly reminded about their NFL potential, then that becomes more important.<br /><br />Most of these high school kids think being in the NFL trumps any degree from any school

Shoulda hired Urban Meyer while we could, LOL.<br /><br /><br />That class was garbage until he took over, and now they're the #3-ranked class in the nation. Insane

so, you put more blame on Tedford now vs. a year when Cal finished 30-something in the recruiting ranks?

You keep defending his recruiting, after all, Cal has plenty of talent. Didn't Cal recruit "in the 20's" when they had those 5 players drafted in '08? Or did I miss it-were you critical of Tedford and his recruiting abilities in the past?