Now that the dust has settled

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UrsaMajor
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We can see what Tosh-gate has brought.

We lost: Shaq, Payton, Walker because of Tosh. Probably Armistead (I say probably, because he hadn't committed). McCarthy was at best a "soft verbal," but Tosh leaving didn't help. We probably lost the opportunity to sign a couple of others such as Shittu, Hamilton, etc. (not saying we would have, just that the chance evaporated). Of these, the loss of Shaq seems the most important; having a big-hitting safety is something we've lacked recently. Otherwise, our class is still solid and likely to help move the program forward. I am also pleased with the solid character shown by MEN like Treggs, Dozier, Tagaloa, and Sebastian.

The biggest loss was not so much the specific players as the buzz. Everyone in the cfb world was talking about Cal and Calgang, and the surprise of Cal in the top 5 nationally. Now the buzz is all about Stanford. In the long run, results on the field are what count, but right now, the perception is that Stanford is the program on the rise (or at the crest) and we are floundering. This will help them early in the 2013 recruiting season and hurt us. It also may help get them more national coverage--at least for now. Unfortunately, so much of college football is perception these days.

What we have learned:
1. When something (or in this case someone) is too good to be true, it probably isn't. In this case, Tosh's recruiting was about smoke and mirrors. Admittedly, smoke and mirrors that worked last year and was apparently working so far this year, but the lack of commitment many of the players showed means that it was never deep in the first place--note also that only 2 players followed Tosh to UW; the rest went elsewhere. As I posted on another thread, I believe that given the psychopathy (i.e., lying, self-centered betrayal, etc.) that Tosh showed, he was a major recruiting violation waiting to happen. I suspect that as soon as things weren't going well or there was a player he felt we "just had to have," he would have done anything to get him. As I posted earlier, think back to our last all-world recruiter--Todd Bozeman. In the short term, this sets back the program and at an unfortunate time (when the new stadium opens). In the long term, we are clearly better off, IMO.

2. We have also learned (and I hope/believe JT has as well) that it is necessary for everyone to be up to speed in the new media and not rely on one "expert" to handle these things. It isn't so much that Tosh was the lead recruiter on so many players--that happens everywhere. It is that no one else had his expertise in twitter, facebook, etc.

3. The safest way to build recruiting strength is by having a successful program. Foremost: winning. Along with that high academic success and players satisfied with their experience.

If I wasn't so disgusted, I might actually feel sorry for Tosh. He is clearly a flawed human being who trashed everything he said he believed in. He may have a butt-load of money and a nice boat, but he no longer has a good name, and he no longer has any integrity, and those are things he may never get back. I know he's only 30, but he can look forward to dying perhaps rich, but dying a traitor.
moonpod
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Totally agree. In the end it looks like we will be better off parting ways with Tra$h and he may have completely ruined his career for a short term gain.

I think the point about "buzz" is THE point. But if you take an objective look at the class, it addressed what most perceived as the "holes" in our roster. #2 QB in the country, a SOLID group of WRs and OLs and some defensive backfield depth. So even though there were "misses" and the emotional rollercoaster of Shaq and Tra$h, in the end if you objectively look at the roster with our new additions....we damn well better see results on the field.

Side note: Armstead--after looking at where he went....he's just like his bro. He signed with the Pac front runner (USC for Armond and the quacks for Arik). He was gonna end up there. Course he doesn't scare me anywhere near as much as a DL up there than as an OL. That's about the last thing any team playing the Ducks would need to see. Payton is an Oaks kid. And he was DRAMA. He was gonna stay in L.A. He doesn't address any needs in the class anyways. If you criticize the WR class (which I love) it's not all that "fast", but Payton isn't either. Walker...there are rumors that he had to leave the Bay Area. Leave it at that. Shaq...that's the one thing that hurt, but as a "need".....well....I'm not sure his position was a "need".
GB54
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If some young guy I hired started bringing in great accounts I'd be very happy. If the same guy stole all those accounts and went to a competitor I'd be an idiot. The point is they should all be Tedford's clients. If they are coming here because Tosh knows how to twitter in vernacular then this University and football program has no competitive advantage . We didn't lose them

Also the buzz about Stanford is not perception. It's about back to back BCS seasons vs mediocrity. Recruiting buzz will be gone in a couple of weeks Unless we can translate better recruiting into more wins buzz is the least of our problems
Our Domicile
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moonpod;702411 said:

...Side note: Armstead--after looking at where he went....he's just like his bro. He signed with the Pac front runner (USC for Armond and the quacks for Arik). He was gonna end up there. Course he doesn't scare me anywhere near as much as a DL up there than as an OL. That's about the last thing any team playing the Ducks would need to see. Payton is an Oaks kid. And he was DRAMA. He was gonna stay in L.A. He doesn't address any needs in the class anyways. If you criticize the WR class (which I love) it's not all that "fast", but Payton isn't either. Walker...there are rumors that he had to leave the Bay Area. Leave it at that. Shaq...that's the one thing that hurt, but as a "need".....well....I'm not sure his position was a "need".


- Agreed about Arik going to a "frontrunner" like Oregon like his older bro did by going to USC. It's in their DNA and we shouldn't shed any tears about it. Maybe he transfers back to Cal after a year or two, who knows. He's welcome back if he chooses so.

- Also agree about Payton. Total drama, but I believe Lawler > Payton and we won't miss Payton at all.

- The Fab Five as a WR Corp will be outstanding. Who cares about a lack of full-blown track speed when all these cats have shake-and-bake and can get YAC to take it the house on their own. Give me "hands" over pure speed and dropsies any day of the week.

- Kudos to Walker leaving Richmond. That can be a very rough place. I understand if he wanted to totally wanted to get away from any personal distractions in the Bay Area. Good luck to him.

- Shaq was a huge loss, but we'll be just fine at Safety with Avery and Drew, who look like Boise State-type Safeties on film. I'm sure we'll land another stud next for that position and like Arik, maybe Shaq considers transferring back to Cal in the future. Who knows. Hope so.

- Coupled with last year's recruiting bonanza, Cal did great. All is not as bad as it's made out to be. We're in very, very good shape, talent-wise.
UrsaMajor
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You're quite right about Stanford. That's why I wrote that winning is the key. As Bruce Snyder put it when he came here: "right now all I can sell is the sizzle. once we start winning, I can sell the steak." We're at the sizzle-selling stage and need to put together a couple of winning years now.
Gunga la Gunga
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This was a major opportunity to launch into the upper echelon of college football talent, and ultimately into the upper echelon of on-field performance.

That opportunity is likely gone under JT. Not sure how he ever regroups to pull a top 5 class.

Somewhere between 7 and 9 wins per year seems about right. I'm not complaining about that, but let's not kid ourselves -- there is major fall out to the last two weeks.
calbear93
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UrsaMajor;702467 said:

You're quite right about Stanford. That's why I wrote that winning is the key. As Bruce Snyder put it when he came here: "right now all I can sell is the sizzle. once we start winning, I can sell the steak." We're at the sizzle-selling stage and need to put together a couple of winning years now.


Agreed. With respect to Stanford, I think the whole "admission process" and the fact that it is one of the most highly regarded PRIVATE school attracts a lot of recruits. However, before Harbaugh, they struggled to get top recruits across the board as well. And their dominance over SC and having a top-rated QB (so much coverage even from the NFL circles for the whole Suck for Luck) gave them a lot of credibility and coverage (whereas our failure to show up against SC has hurt ours).
UrsaMajor
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Not sure I fully agree. The difference between a top-20 to 25 class and a top 5 is only a few players. They might have made the difference between 8 wins and 11 or they might not have.
Our Domicile
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Gunga la Gunga;702478 said:

This was a major opportunity to launch into the upper echelon of college football talent, and ultimately into the upper echelon of on-field performance.

That opportunity is likely gone under JT. Not sure how he ever regroups to pull a top 5 class.

Somewhere between 7 and 9 wins per year seems about right. I'm not complaining about that, but let's not kid ourselves -- there is major fall out to the last two weeks.




Bro, your ride is outside....don't keep them waiting.


Our Domicile
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ursamajor;702485 said:

not sure i fully agree. The difference between a top-20 to 25 class and a top 5 is only a few players. They might have made the difference between 8 wins and 11 or they might not have.


+1 qft.

Clemson and Miami have all the talent in the world and get great recruiting classes year after year, but can't reach the "upper echelon" of CFB for whatever reasons.
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