that kline unseats maynard this spring. Id like to see him get a fair shake as a true frosh, if hes clearly better, i believe he should play

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I think this topic has been thoroughly discuss and the overall consensus is that he won't unseat Maynard... probably 3rd string at best if not redshirt

Maynard is the man,Kline might get killed as a true freshman.Much faster at D1 than San Ramon Valley.

I really hope Maynard is putting on some lbs and muscle. I think that would really help.

Redshirt Kline... let Boehm and Hinder compete against ZM. If they win then it's their job, if not... then one more year of ZM and then one of those 3 will be the guy the following year.

Let's keep some perspective: In an article linked on another post on this board, Tom Lemming ranked Kline #10 among pro-style QB recruits this year.

We're all expecting more because... ??? ... well, because there has been some anecdotal evidence by people in the know that he's the real deal.

Andrew Luck redshirted his first year. John Elway didn't start or excell for most of his freshman year. Matt Barkley at $C, true, he started and actually did pretty well, but it's rare.

Why would we expect Kline to be better than Boehm, Hinder, Bridgford and Maynard already? Let's let him get familiar with the offense and get adjusted to his receivers and to the speed of the college game. If he's as great as we hope, him being on campus now will still pay dividends for 2013.

Big C_Cal;719430 said:

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Let's keep some perspective: In an article linked on another post on this board, Tom Lemming ranked Kline #10 among pro-style QB recruits this year.

We're all expecting more because... ??? ... well, because there has been some anecdotal evidence by people in the know that he's the real deal.

Andrew Luck redshirted his first year. John Elway didn't start or excell for most of his freshman year. Matt Barkley at $C, true, he started and actually did pretty well, but it's rare.

Why would we expect Kline to be better than Boehm, Hinder, Bridgford and Maynard already? Let's let him get familiar with the offense and get adjusted to his receivers and to the speed of the college game. If he's as great as we hope, him being on campus now will still pay dividends for 2013.

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Exactly right... unless Kline turns out to be a clone of Barkeley (doubtful), he needs to redshirt... After all, right now he is just a very good HIGH SCHOOL quarterback... as were Bridgeford, Boehm, and Hinder... Maynard starts and plays unless he gets hurt, or just self-destructs to the point where everyone loses confidence in him... if that happens, the season is too far gone for an untested kid (Pick any one) to step in and save it...

slim to none. The only real question is can one of the guys who could not beat Maynard out last spring, Bridgford, Hinder Boehm, really step way up and beat out Maynard. I assume they would have to be clearly superior, and not about the equivalent, to beat him out.

fair enough. i was thinking he should redshirt until i read one of those pre spring practice reports and someone was saying that he was throwing the ball better than all the other qbs, which to me because im a proponent of putting your best out there on the field means to me if hes better then he should play. i think this could end up being an interesting spring because im not sold that maynard has the ability to hold onto the job if any of the other qbs have some improvement or if kline really is that good

Absolutely zero. Regardless of performance in spring practice or training camp, Maynard will be the starting QB in the season opener. That's just Tedford's way.

CalReason;719379 said:

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None. A better, more pertinent question might be is there any chance anybody unseats Maynard this spring. The answer, I think, is still NO, and I think the likelihood that he is replaced during the fall camp or into the season is slim even if we assume there is no real improvement from Maynard. For this reason I cannot get too excited about this year. There is nothing worse then heading into a crucial season with a lame-duck pseudo QB.

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I think this depends on how much Tedford and the other coaches go back and review the game film from this season, specifically USC, UCLA and Oregon. Not only was ZM terribly inaccurate, but he continually forced balls to well covered wide outs when rb's and TE's were ignored. ZM's play alone may have been the difference in both the UCLA and SC games, and he killed us against Texas as well. You just cannot continue to play a QB that kills your chances that many times.

CalReason;719380 said:

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what is weight and muscle going to do for his poor quarterbacking ability?

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He'll be willing to take a sack instead of throwing a pick.

I'm glad your such a supportive and positive alum Calreason or whatever your tag is. I'm also glad none of the players read some of this drivel.

kline will get a fair shot against Maynard and that means he has 0 chance. Because the biggest impediment to Kline's chances is Kline. He suffers from lack of experience and a lack of playbook knowledge. In other words he is right on schedule for a true freshman. If Maynard is bad enough to make Kline look good, then all that does is open the door for Bridgford and possibly Boehm/Hinder. The last thing we want is for Kline to do well enough to burn his redshirt and lose a year of eligibility at a time when he won't see action anyway. I'd rather have Kline in his 5th year than in his 1st. If you want to see an elite 11 QB next year instead of Maynard, root for Bridgeford.

I think pinning all this hope on Kline is derived, in part, from the conclusion that Maynard was the best option out of Maynard, Bridgford, Mansion, Hinder and Boehm last year. If Maynard was the best of those five, there's a real tendency to look to the new guy, thinking Bridgford, Hinder and Boehm couldn't be much better than average. It's a depressing way to look at it but I can see the logic. Of course, this is a year later and players do develop so there's still hope for at least one of the others, I guess.

All of us are looking for somebody at QB who is better than average.

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If it is a legitimate competition, Kline kicks Maynard's butt. Big time.

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This spring?!? What makes you think that?

Lemme guess: You're writing this from a Happy Hour somewhere and your unbelievably "happy".

One of those guys is a legitimate Pac 12 QB. They just have to be. Right?

Maynard is not a good quarterback and he beat out the others.

Kline brings hope and with hope, a bit of excitement. We seem doomed to standard Tedfordian mediocrity otherwise...

Boot;719620 said:

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I'm glad your such a supportive and positive alum Calreason or whatever your tag is. I'm also glad none of the players read some of this drivel.

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Sounds like Yogi.

CalReason;719380 said:

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what is weight and muscle going to do for his poor quarterbacking ability?

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He would stand stronger in the pocket and not go down with an arm tackle. He would get more on his throws getting some power from his upper body and waist (he wouldn't have to snap his head completely just to throw a 20 yard pass to KA like v. Oregon). Could also help his running in shedding some tacklers for daylight. Lots of possibilities. I'm just trying to picture him being good next year, because the way JT is talking, it's just him and Bridgeford and I'm pretty sure it's just him. JT said nothing has changed except it's Kline instead of Mansion. You would think JT would have some new things to say after all went down with Lupoi and all. I mean wouldn't that have rocked his world a little? It sounds like we're gonna do the same kind of things at QB. After reading that part, I was in no mood to read the rest of the article.

KoreAmBear;719685 said:

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He would stand stronger in the pocket and not go down with an arm tackle. He would get more on his throws getting some power from his upper body and waist (he wouldn't have to snap his head completely just to throw a 20 yard pass to KA like v. Oregon). Could also help his running in shedding some tacklers for daylight. Lots of possibilities. I'm just trying to picture him being good next year, because the way JT is talking, it's just him and Bridgeford and I'm pretty sure it's just him. JT said nothing has changed except it's Kline instead of Mansion. You would think JT would have some new things to say after all went down with Lupoi and all. I mean wouldn't that have rocked his world a little? It sounds like we're gonna do the same kind of things at QB. After reading that part, I was in no mood to read the rest of the article.

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Kline can do all that based on what???? His play against a bunch of high school boys? Ther is no way Kline even suits up this year... let him learn the system, mature, and be ready for the next four years... The other 3 QBs behind Maynard all came to Cal with essentially the same pedigree.... great HIGH SCHOOL quarterbacks... just proves that it is not an automatic progression... lets home that Kline makes the jump - next year.

Masau80;719756 said:

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Kline can do all that based on what???? His play against a bunch of high school boys? Ther is no way Kline even suits up this year... let him learn the system, mature, and be ready for the next four years... The other 3 QBs behind Maynard all came to Cal with essentially the same pedigree.... great HIGH SCHOOL quarterbacks... just proves that it is not an automatic progression... lets home that Kline makes the jump - next year.

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Where in my statement does it say that I think Kline should necessarily make the jump? My point is that I would like a development process (I don't care if it's Kline, Maynard, Boehm, Bridgeford, etc.) that is different from the last 8 years. So far it doesn't look like there's anything different. Pick the BEST QB with the best balance of upside and experience. JT has had a penchant for picking the guy who best "manages the huddle." In other words, he likes safe.

Tedford will stick to his ways. I was hoping maybe the last few years and this Lupoi thing would have rocked him a little bit to initiate some changes. It hasn't worked in almost a decade and now it's gonna work? We all hope so but it's deflating because there is a good chance that the same things are gonna happen. JT your job is nearly on the line. Please don't choose safe anymore.

"Pick the BEST QB with the best balance of upside and experience. JT has had a penchant for picking the guy who best "manages the huddle."

That is exactly what he is suppose to do... pick the best QB based on upside (performance in practice) and experience (games... maynard is the ONLY one)... and one of the QBs most important attributes is his ability to "manage the huddle."

Elite QBS (AR has spoiled Cal for awhile) are few and far between... That position is more of an unknown that any other in College DI football.... Why do you think every team has 5 QBs on scholarship... to find one that can play... Maynard will be markedly improved this year... if he isn't, then someone will have to step up.. but that won't happen until the season starts.

Masau80;719841 said:

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"Pick the BEST QB with the best balance of upside and experience. JT has had a penchant for picking the guy who best "manages the huddle."

That is exactly what he is suppose to do... pick the best QB based on upside (performance in practice) and experience (games... maynard is the ONLY one)... and one of the QBs most important attributes is his ability to "manage the huddle."

Elite QBS (AR has spoiled Cal for awhile) are few and far between... That position is more of an unknown that any other in College DI football.... Why do you think every team has 5 QBs on scholarship... to find one that can play... Maynard will be markedly improved this year... if he isn't, then someone will have to step up.. but that won't happen until the season starts.

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But in the past by giving almost exclusive reps to one guy, he really hasn't found out if the 5 elite QBs you have on your team can actually play. We've found out a little about AB but not really. We have no idea about Boehm and Hinder. All we know about is Maynard. And is there that much to be excited about? Good, serviceable, getting more reliable - I would say a good backup. That's not putting Maynard down. He's trying his best with his God-given abilities and attributes. No shame in that. But he has a ceiling that is lower than the others, I believe.

JT seems to feel (based on his actions) that in blowout games he needs his #1 QB to get as many reps as possible to abate him when he gets in toughies like the horseshoe. As a result, a back-up never sees the field. Never. Someone please tell me what is right about this? Tis' beyond me. Personally I would like to know how much of my powder is wet or dry going into battle.

I think the chances that maynard isn't starting vs Nevada is far greater than the chances of Kline starting. There are other QB's on the team.

However if Kline starts, I'd be ecstatic. I won't even care if starting a true frosh costs a game or two because the experience he gets could lead to improvement and a rose bowl in the future. No matter who starts, I think we should have a 'maynard package' and run some spread option and also let him throw out of the SAME formation sometimes. Keep him enganged and give the defenses something more to worry about.

KoreAmBear;719900 said:

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But in the past by giving almost exclusive reps to one guy, he really hasn't found out if the 5 elite QBs you have on your team can actually play. We've found out a little about AB but not really. We have no idea about Boehm and Hinder. All we know about is Maynard. And is there that much to be excited about? Good, serviceable, getting more reliable - I would say a good backup. That's not putting Maynard down. He's trying his best with his God-given abilities and attributes. No shame in that. But he has a ceiling that is lower than the others, I believe.

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Every successful DI program in the country does the exact same thing... Back-ups don't see the field for any meaningful playing time at QB until the starter gets hurt.... look at the stats for the #2s in the PAC-12 last year.... Bridgeford's numbers were just about average... The make or break time is in the spring.... and Maynard is the incumbent that won the job against all the same kids last year... (except for the recent high schooler).... We may just know about Maynard.. but I am quite confident that all the offensive coaches know about the pluses and minuses of each QB in the system...

CalReason;719874 said:

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Quite the positive spin. Maynard's problem is from the neck up (the inability to read defenses, anticipate routes and WR's being open; some QBs have it, some don't) and an innate physical inability to be accurate with the football in timely fashion when he does not zero in on one read. Lifting weights is not going to do squat for this guy. This guy was suppose to be a dual threat but heard Ted Miller point out he had only 103 net yards rushing.

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I think if Ted Miller told me the sun would set in the West tonight.. I'd check another source first... His reporting on this issue seemed a firm grasp of the obvious.... In college sacks count against a QBs rushing totals... not really a sailent metric to cite. Dual threat means a QB that has a running package for him in the offense... that is not the case here... never was. He is perceived as being more "athletic' in the pocket than the other 4 QBs were.

57% accuracy (68% over the last third of the season) isn't great, but is certainly enought to be successful... only completing 13 passess to his top two RBs certainly cuts down on the high percentage completions... What would be "acceptable" accuracy numbers? 65%, 70%, EVERY pass?

SmellinRoses;719676 said:

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Maynard is not a good quarterback and he beat out the others.

Kline brings hope and with hope, a bit of excitement. We seem doomed to standard Tedfordian mediocrity otherwise...

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Maynard did not beat out the others. The concern last spring was that the offensive line was too weak to protect a standard pro set QB. That was based on horrible underperformances in '09 and '10. So Tedford settled for Maynard because he provided an "extra dimension" (translation-the ability to run for his life). This year the offensive line should be much improved even though we lose Schwartz. So Bridgeford is likely to win the job since he also won it last Spring not counting the "extra dimension".

CalReason;719874 said:

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Quite the positive spin. Maynard's problem is from the neck up (the inability to read defenses, anticipate routes and WR's being open; some QBs have it, some don't) and an innate physical inability to be accurate with the football in timely fashion when he does not zero in on one read. Lifting weights is not going to do squat for this guy. This guy was suppose to be a dual threat but heard Ted Miller point out he had only 103 net yards rushing.

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Dual threat apparently meant threat to throw an interception or threat to fumble. But in Maynard's defense he was curtailed from running in the second half of the season because JT wanted him to develope more pocket presence once the O-line began to perform better.

heartofthebear;720107 said:

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Maynard did not beat out the others. The concern last spring was that the offensive line was too weak to protect a standard pro set QB. That was based on horrible underperformances in '09 and '10. So Tedford settled for Maynard because he provided an "extra dimension" (translation-the ability to run for his life). This year the offensive line should be much improved even though we lose Schwartz. So Bridgeford is likely to win the job since he also won it last Spring not counting the "extra dimension".

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I think that notion has sailed. Maynard is now the incumbent whereas he wasn't last year and the running element helped him win the job. Also I have to believe that JT thought Maynard did have some FBS experience and had a bond with KA so he went with that as Maynard seemed to be equal with Bridgeford according to that insider guy's summer and fall reports (forgot his handle). Now with a full year of experience, it's his job to lose. Our BCS chances live and die with Maynard, I'm pretty convinced.

KoreAmBear;720145 said:

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I think that notion has sailed. Maynard is now the incumbent whereas he wasn't last year and the running element helped him win the job. Also I have to believe that JT thought Maynard did have some FBS experience and had a bond with KA so he went with that as Maynard seemed to be equal with Bridgeford according to that insider guy's summer and fall reports (forgot his handle). Now with a full year of experience, it's his job to lose. Our BCS chances live and die with Maynard, I'm pretty convinced.

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You are absolutely correct... Couple that with AB's less than mediocre performance when he did play last season... and ZM isthe guy... barring any injuries or other exceptional events.

Slim to none, and if good Maynard (i.e
Big Game one) shows up, I have no qualms against playing him.

ZERO

No WRs for either to throw to this spring thanks to past recruiting failures