Hello. I have a good friend who got into Cal, UCLA, and Columbia for grad school, first for a masters degree and then maybe PhD. The program is East Asian Studies. I don't know too much about this program, but she obviously knows the programs/professors well at each school and is leaning towards UCLA because of a slightly better fit with the professors or some such crap.

I am trying to convince her to come to Cal by collecting a list of impressive Cal accomplishments, rankings, videos, articles, anything cool or inspirational stuff about Cal.

Please help me with this list, provide links/proof/source, and most importantly, add to the list!!

1) You See Berkeley video (source: Youtube) How can you not want to come to Cal after watching this???

2) The Times global universities reputation ranking with Cal 4th or 5th (source: The Times website)

3) World Universities Ranking by Shanghai Jiaotung University with Cal 2nd (source: I can find the website easily)

4) Berkeley has more programs in the top 10 than Harvard (what's the source of this?? Can someone help me find this)

5) Berkeley educates more low income students than all of the Ivy League combined (what's the source of this?)

6) There's something about Phd programs...like Berkeley produces more Phd's than any other school...or was it Berkeley undergrads go on to obtain more Phd's than any other undergrads.....I can't really remember. Any details on this?

7) Berkeley as catalyst for Free Speech Movement, Civil Rights Movement, etc.

8) JFK speech about Berkeley contributing as much to America as Harvard

9) Most Peace Corps volunteers out of any university (not sure if this is relevant though)

10) Nobel prizes. (although Columbia has more, so probably won't mention this)

11) Washington Monthly ranking on contribution to society (although UCLA ranks higher, so probably won't mention this).



Anything else?? Please add to this list!

Thanks.

An enviable problem to have and a tough choice as all three are incredible schools. I would use quality of life in the Bay Area versus LA or NYC as leverage.

NYCGOBEARS;731589 said:

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I would use quality of life in the Bay Area versus LA or NYC as leverage.

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I think this is the issue. All things being educationally equal, she needs to decide where she wants to spend the next 4-6 years. Bay Area, NYC or Lala Land - not a bad choice to have. Something for everyone.

Poor kid... tough choice.

Socaltownies #1 (and #2, 3, and 4) rule to graduate school choices.

First I am going to assume your friend wants to go into academics. If not, the rules likely do not apply

YOU CHOOSE A SCHOOL BASED UPON THE INDIVIDUAL PROFESSOR(S) YOU WISH TO WORK WITH AND THEIR WILLINGNESS AND ABILITY TO ADVANCE YOUR EARLY CAREER.

I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH

the town does not matter. The football team doesn't matter. At the level she is considering the SCHOOL doesn't matter. _ALL_ that matters in a low demand/high supply field like East Asian Studies is a faculty members willingness to work with you, the fact that they share a mutual interest in what YOU are passionate about, and that they have a proven track record suggesting that they work to promote their student's early careers.

In the HYPER competitive world of tenure track positions in the social sciences and humanities YOU MUST build a publication record before graduating. You MUST give multiple papers. It helps tremendously that your "patron" has ties to other departments around the country and has shown, based upon past placements, a willingness to use them. Your dissertation MUST be written with a focus on getting it into your first book by year 3 and your second book (at a minimum in draft) by the time you come up for tenure review. To do this and teach a full load at likely the second tier school you will first be at is made TREMENDOUSLY easier by a mentor who wants to see you succeed.

There is a lot of research to be done on making this choice and figuring it out. You have to apply a discount factor on the probability said "star" will move onto another school. Indeed, if your friend thinks she wants to work with someone at UCLA she should get on the horn NOW with that faculty member and flat out ask "What happens if you move? Will you remain my adviser?"

Again, I can not stress this enough. PROGRAM doesn't matter (at this level) . Competition for Tenure positions is just ridiculous at this point in time. SO you HAVE to be a star and that is going to be a function (in almost all cases) of your patron's willingness and interest in advancing your career.

aceman;731585 said:

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Hello. I have a good friend who got into Cal, UCLA, and Columbia for grad school, first for a masters degree and then maybe PhD. The program is East Asian Studies. I don't know too much about this program, but she obviously knows the programs/professors well at each school and is leaning towards UCLA because of a slightly better fit with the professors or some such crap.

I am trying to convince her to come to Cal by collecting a list of impressive Cal accomplishments, rankings, videos, articles, anything cool or inspirational stuff about Cal.

Please help me with this list, provide links/proof/source, and most importantly, add to the list!!

1) You See Berkeley video (source: Youtube) How can you not want to come to Cal after watching this???

2) The Times global universities reputation ranking with Cal 4th or 5th (source: The Times website)

3) World Universities Ranking by Shanghai Jiaotung University with Cal 2nd (source: I can find the website easily)

4) Berkeley has more programs in the top 10 than Harvard (what's the source of this?? Can someone help me find this)

5) Berkeley educates more low income students than all of the Ivy League combined (what's the source of this?)

6) There's something about Phd programs...like Berkeley produces more Phd's than any other school...or was it Berkeley undergrads go on to obtain more Phd's than any other undergrads.....I can't really remember. Any details on this?

7) Berkeley as catalyst for Free Speech Movement, Civil Rights Movement, etc.

8) JFK speech about Berkeley contributing as much to America as Harvard

9) Most Peace Corps volunteers out of any university (not sure if this is relevant though)

10) Nobel prizes. (although Columbia has more, so probably won't mention this)

11) Washington Monthly ranking on contribution to society (although UCLA ranks higher, so probably won't mention this).



Anything else?? Please add to this list!

Thanks.

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Don't forget the new East Asian Library which is state of the art and is linked in with China.
So much so that when a high ranking dignitary from China recently visited SF, he came to the EAL to use its technology to connect with the Chinese officials back home.

BTW Cal is thought of very highly in Asia (much more so than ucla). In a recent report that I heard of, China is attempting to dramatically upgrade its high education institutions and Chinese academic officials have been visiting and studying Cal and how Cal has succeeded in maintaining its high academic standards (especially as a public institution).

"There is a lot of research to be done on making this choice and figuring it out. You have to apply a discount factor on the probability said "star" will move onto another school. Indeed, if your friend thinks she wants to work with someone at UCLA she should get on the horn NOW with that faculty member and flat out ask "What happens if you move? Will you remain my adviser?"

I laughed at this paragraph. Reminiscent of Shaq and Tosh?

socaltownie;731620 said:

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Socaltownies #1 (and #2, 3, and 4) rule to graduate school choices.

First I am going to assume your friend wants to go into academics. If not, the rules likely do not apply

YOU CHOOSE A SCHOOL BASED UPON THE INDIVIDUAL PROFESSOR(S) YOU WISH TO WORK WITH AND THEIR WILLINGNESS AND ABILITY TO ADVANCE YOUR EARLY CAREER.

I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH

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That should probably be tempered by the fact 'wanting to' and actually 'going into' academics are two different things entirely. Given the low numbers that do continue in academics after a PhD (I believe less than 10%), prospective students should be well aware of contingency plans - and the name on the degree might matter more then, and the overall strength of the program which provides stronger alternative choices once enrolled.

That said, choosing Cal over UCLA would not make much sense if aceman's friend would rather work for a professor at UCLA, provided that is lined up before starting school there.

In an ironic twist, I've been tag-teaming with a friend (who is also a Cal grad) to convince his younger sibling NOT to come to Cal.

aceman;731585 said:

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Hello. I have a good friend who got into Cal, UCLA, and Columbia for grad school, first for a masters degree and then maybe PhD. The program is East Asian Studies....

Thanks.

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Honestly, I don't think Starbucks is going to care...

(just kidding)

aceman;731585 said:

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Hello. I have a good friend who got into Cal, UCLA, and Columbia for grad school, first for a masters degree and then maybe PhD. The program is East Asian Studies. I don't know too much about this program, but she obviously knows the programs/professors well at each school and is leaning towards UCLA because of a slightly better fit with the professors or some such crap.

I am trying to convince her to come to Cal by collecting a list of impressive Cal accomplishments, rankings, videos, articles, anything cool or inspirational stuff about Cal.

Please help me with this list, provide links/proof/source, and most importantly, add to the list!!

1) You See Berkeley video (source: Youtube) How can you not want to come to Cal after watching this???

2) The Times global universities reputation ranking with Cal 4th or 5th (source: The Times website)

3) World Universities Ranking by Shanghai Jiaotung University with Cal 2nd (source: I can find the website easily)

4) Berkeley has more programs in the top 10 than Harvard (what's the source of this?? Can someone help me find this)

5) Berkeley educates more low income students than all of the Ivy League combined (what's the source of this?)

6) There's something about Phd programs...like Berkeley produces more Phd's than any other school...or was it Berkeley undergrads go on to obtain more Phd's than any other undergrads.....I can't really remember. Any details on this?

7) Berkeley as catalyst for Free Speech Movement, Civil Rights Movement, etc.

8) JFK speech about Berkeley contributing as much to America as Harvard

9) Most Peace Corps volunteers out of any university (not sure if this is relevant though)

10) Nobel prizes. (although Columbia has more, so probably won't mention this)

11) Washington Monthly ranking on contribution to society (although UCLA ranks higher, so probably won't mention this).



Anything else?? Please add to this list!

Thanks.

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Does UCLA even have a Department? It looks like an "Interdepartmental Degree."

One thing I would check as a grad student is whether they also have an undergraduate program, how big it is and the opportunities to T.A. and help pay for the degree (and get experience teaching).

I would tell you r friend to visit and see if he or she likes the area. Its an urban, trendy environment. Also, for the most part, its an intense school, and not always big on nurturing. If you want a pastoral environment w/o much pressure and hold holding, there always is Furd. There are real choices for good students that can get admitted to Cal, and Cal is not a fit for everyone, but may be a great fit for your friend.

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In an ironic twist, I've been tag-teaming with a friend (who is also a Cal grad) to convince his younger sibling NOT to come to Cal.

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Totally pathetic.

Cal88;731750 said:

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Totally pathetic.

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I don't get why anyone who really went to Cal and really feels that way would hang out on a Cal board.

calumnus;731753 said:

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I don't get why anyone who really went to Cal and really feels that way would hang out on a Cal board.

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The reason it's not a good idea for that particular person to come to Cal is because 1) they're not a self motivator which you need to be because nobody is going to hold your hand here, and 2) they plan on going to med school, which means a strong GPA is often more important than which school you went to. We may know that other schools grade inflates and Cal grade deflates to a degree, but in talking to former AdCom members they don't really accept that.

Excuse me for prioritizing someone's professional success over the feel-good nature of going to my alma mater. Unless of course you don't believe that Cal is ultra-competitive and does not baby you?

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Originally Posted by pingpong2
In an ironic twist, I've been tag-teaming with a friend (who is also a Cal grad) to convince his younger sibling NOT to come to Cal.

Cal88;731750 said:

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Totally pathetic.

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Agree. Cal is not for everyone. Neither is ucla -- way too plastic glitzy (phony) for my tastes.

If that younger sibling is attracted to Cal and can get into Cal, it seems a shame to try to disuade that sibling from coming to Cal. It may be the absolutely best place for that person. Likewise the student who is looking to ucla.
Ucla might be the right fit for her personality if she starts off with a preference for ucla.

Just make sure that they have all the pertinent information in front of them. Make sure they have the relevant information regarding the benefits of Cal vs. whatever other school they are considering.
After that let them make their own decisions.

But an actual in person visit to both campuses is very important.

I knew one student who did not want to attend Cal because he thought that all of Berkeley and the Cal campus was like that 4 block stretch of Telegraph Avenue.

pingpong2;731758 said:

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The reason it's not a good idea for that particular person to come to Cal is because 1) they're not a self motivator which you need to be because nobody is going to hold your hand here, and 2) they plan on going to med school, which means a strong GPA is often more important than which school you went to. We may know that other schools grade inflates and Cal grade deflates to a degree, but in talking to former AdCom members they don't really accept that.

Excuse me for prioritizing someone's professional success over the feel-good nature of going to my alma mater. Unless of course you don't believe that Cal is ultra-competitive and does not baby you?

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Well thanks for giving more detail, your original post was pretty criptic and dismissive--describing you anti-lobbying as "a tag team."

That said, did you go to medical school? You don't think med schools and other graduate schools are aware of the situation? There are reasons more Cal students go on to post graduate education than any other university--our degree is highly respected among academia (US News has to discount our academic reputation). Other schools do more hand holding, but their undergraduate education will generally be more expensive and going there will not necessarily get your friends sibling into a better med school--and the med school will determine their professional future.

This may help: LINK, showing 63% of Cal applicants are accepted to Med School versus 52% of national applicants.

Here is the breakdown for the Cal students by MCAT score and GPA: LINK

That said, I do agree with that the kid should pick a school where he/she wants to go and would be happy. I just could never talk anyone out of going to Cal who wants to go to Cal and truly believe that anyone with the grades and SATs to get into Cal in the first place has enough drive to get through Cal. However, if you truly believe they are not well suited for Cal and wouldn't be happy there, kudos to you for being willing to tell them--if it were me, I'd leave it at that, but to each their own.

calumnus;731768 said:

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Well thanks for giving more detail, your original post was pretty criptic and dismissive--describing you anti-lobbying as "a tag team."

That said, did you go to medical school? You don't think med schools and other graduate schools are aware of the situation? There are reasons more Cal students go on to post graduate education than any other university--our degree is highly respected among academia (US News has to discount our academic reputation). Other schools do more hand holding, but their undergraduate education will generally be more expensive and going there will not necessarily get your friends sibling into a better med school--and the med school will determine their professional future.

This may help: LINK, showing 63% of Cal applicants are accepted to Med School versus 52% of national applicants.

Here is the breakdown for the Cal students by MCAT score and GPA: LINK

That said, I do agree with that the kid should pick a school where he/she wants to go and would be happy. I just could never talk anyone out of going to Cal who wants to go to Cal and truly believe that anyone with the grades and SATs to get into Cal in the first place has enough drive to get through Cal. However, if you truly believe they are not well suited for Cal and wouldn't be happy there, kudos to you for being willing to tell them--if it were me, I'd leave it at that, but to each their own.

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Take a look at that link again. Only about 100 students applied. I had almost 20 students on my floor alone that was pre-med during freshman year; over the course of their 4 or 5 years at Cal, most end up not even applying because they didn't feel that their GPA would be competitive enough. Now, I'm sure students at other schools are probably also discouraged from applying if their GPAs are too low (I remember there were allegations of professors not writing letters of recs for students with lower GPAs at JHU in order to keep their acceptance rates high). Maybe my perception was skewed having interacted with so many former pre-meds, but what I've taken away from all this has been if you really want to go to a competitive professional school and you can't be sure that you'll wind up at the top of your classes (keeping in mind these classes already consist of the best of the best), the safer route is to go to an "easier" school to get that higher GPA. Remember, GPAs are dependent upon your performance compared to your peers; maybe it's not PC to say this but I have no doubt that the average Cal student would have received a higher GPA at somewhere like UCD or UCI than at Cal.

I've talked to a handful of former AdCom members who have refuted the notion that schools will adjust internally for grade inflation/deflation. Of course, that's the PC thing to say, but I can't think of any reason for them to continue this facade given that they're *former* AdCom members. Heck, a close friend that works in admission at Columbia law said the reason that they don't adjust is because they don't believe that the Ivy's grade inflate. I guess nobody wants to admit that their own school grade inflates which would trample the other explanation, which would be that their student's are just that much smarter. Like I said, I only talked to a few people, so it's clearly not a large sample size, so take it for what it's worth. Just my 2 cents.

In any case, I know a good number of students who attended Berkeley because of the ranking and because their parents wanted them to come here. Many of them didn't even visit the campus before sending in their SIR. This particular person falls in that group (there's a reallllly strong push from first generation Chinese parents to go to Berkeley because it's the bee's knees without considering whether it's the best choice for long term success).

aceman;731585 said:

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Hello. I have a good friend who got into Cal, UCLA, and Columbia for grad school, first for a masters degree and then maybe PhD. The program is East Asian Studies.

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I know that Cal's program is excellent!

However, I do not know how the other two compare.

I do know that she would be happy with Cal.

Ping Pong
I partially agree with you. There is definitely a strong push to attend Berkeley based on the prestige (especially in Chinese families like mine). And not to sound elitist but I do think it is harder to get an A at Berkeley than ANY other school in the nation. I was in a class with Berkeley, other UCs, other top Public school students, and Ivy students for a semester and it was quite obvious which students were the top students (Go Bears!).

That being said, I do think many other schools believe in the value of the Berkeley degree in terms of admissions. I had friends at Cal who generally had low GPAs (we are talking below 3.5) get into some top law schools. Granted, their LSATs were high (165+) which law schools generally add more weight too. Regardless, having a degree had to of had an effect because those are not top 50 numbers by large.

That being said, I do feel a Berkeley undergrad degree by itself is pretty useless...hence why many of us are applying for post-graduate schools. Im not a fan of how once we graduate, our access to the career center is turned off unless we pay a fee. But hey, I guess that's why they call it a public school.

pingpong2;731773 said:

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Remember, GPAs are dependent upon your performance compared to your peers; maybe it's not PC to say this but I have no doubt that the average Cal student would have received a higher GPA at somewhere like UCD or UCI than at Cal.

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Standardized tests are supposed to correct for this, though. Do they?


I went to high school with a pretty smart girl. She was the sister of one of my best friends. However, out of high school she didn't get into many high-powered colleges because her SAT was pedestrian. She ended up at Westmont College in Santa Barbara. She did very well there and ultimately received her PhD in Chemistry from Harvard.


Her brother, who was about as smart, went to UCI. He got okay grades and ended up at Southern Oregon University for grad school (a Master's).


How can two people of equal ability who went to the same schools have such different outcomes? Well, one might say that she just studied harder and was more motivated. Maybe that's true. On the other hand, I think it was a lot easier to get a high GPA at Westmont.


Obviously, she still had to graduate from Harvard. I am not taking that away from her. What I am saying is that I believe that her brother also had that capability, but never got the chance because UCI depressed his GPA.


FWIW, I did much better in high school than either of them and went to Cal. I had the lowest GPA in undergrad of any of us.

pingpong2;731773 said:

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Take a look at that link again. Only about 100 students applied. I had almost 20 students on my floor alone that was pre-med during freshman year; over the course of their 4 or 5 years at Cal, most end up not even applying because they didn't feel that their GPA would be competitive enough. Now, I'm sure students at other schools are probably also discouraged from applying if their GPAs are too low (I remember there were allegations of professors not writing letters of recs for students with lower GPAs at JHU in order to keep their acceptance rates high). Maybe my perception was skewed having interacted with so many former pre-meds, but what I've taken away from all this has been if you really want to go to a competitive professional school and you can't be sure that you'll wind up at the top of your classes (keeping in mind these classes already consist of the best of the best), the safer route is to go to an "easier" school to get that higher GPA. Remember, GPAs are dependent upon your performance compared to your peers; maybe it's not PC to say this but I have no doubt that the average Cal student would have received a higher GPA at somewhere like UCD or UCI than at Cal.

I've talked to a handful of former AdCom members who have refuted the notion that schools will adjust internally for grade inflation/deflation. Of course, that's the PC thing to say, but I can't think of any reason for them to continue this facade given that they're *former* AdCom members. Heck, a close friend that works in admission at Columbia law said the reason that they don't adjust is because they don't believe that the Ivy's grade inflate. I guess nobody wants to admit that their own school grade inflates which would trample the other explanation, which would be that their student's are just that much smarter. Like I said, I only talked to a few people, so it's clearly not a large sample size, so take it for what it's worth. Just my 2 cents.

In any case, I know a good number of students who attended Berkeley because of the ranking and because their parents wanted them to come here. Many of them didn't even visit the campus before sending in their SIR. This particular person falls in that group (there's a reallllly strong push from first generation Chinese parents to go to Berkeley because it's the bee's knees without considering whether it's the best choice for long term success).

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Well that is only those who applied within a year of graduating and reported back to UCB (which admittedly could have some bias). So that is not the whole universe of people applying to med school.

I also know a lot of people at Cal who thought they wanted to go into medicine when they entered Cal, who, when looking at the realities of the medical profession (and costs of medical school), instead went on to get PhDs and teach and/or do research or work in biotech. I am not sure that those options are as easily available to graduates of other universities.

That said, you obviously have knowledge about the situation and have specific reasons that relate to this individual's career goals in medicine and I assume you are not just making a blanket recommendation not to go to Cal to everyone you know, so I respect your efforts to help guide your friend's sibling in the way you think best without being swayed for (or against) your alma mater.

GivemTheAxe;731763 said:

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In an ironic twist, I've been tag-teaming with a friend (who is also a Cal grad) to convince his younger sibling NOT to come to Cal.




Agree. Cal is not for everyone. Neither is ucla -- way too plastic glitzy (phony) for my tastes.

If that younger sibling is attracted to Cal and can get into Cal, it seems a shame to try to disuade that sibling from coming to Cal. It may be the absolutely best place for that person. Likewise the student who is looking to ucla.
Ucla might be the right fit for her personality if she starts off with a preference for ucla.

Just make sure that they have all the pertinent information in front of them. Make sure they have the relevant information regarding the benefits of Cal vs. whatever other school they are considering.
After that let them make their own decisions.

But an actual in person visit to both campuses is very important.

I knew one student who did not want to attend Cal because he thought that all of Berkeley and the Cal campus was like that 4 block stretch of Telegraph Avenue.

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the axe has given good advice. these kids are at an age when (where?) they should be making their own decisions. even if it's the "wrong" decision, it is theirs to make. certainly, give them advice -- both pro AND con -- but let them decide. maybe you chose cal and think it was the right decision. but who can say whether or not you'd have thought the same had you chosen some other university?

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The reason it's not a good idea for that particular person to come to Cal is because 1) they're not a self motivator

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You could have stopped here. It doesn't matter where your friend goes to school, if s/he isn't a self-motivator then medical school isn't in the cards. There is no amount of hand-holding that will get someone into med school, or once into med school will get them to succeed. A lot of people say they want to go to med school, but the process is difficult and weeds out everyone who doesn't want to sacrifice a lot of their time/energy to achieving the goal.

Law school - different story. Law schools are full of lazy smart people.

pingpong2;731758 said:

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The reason it's not a good idea for that particular person to come to Cal is because 1) they're not a self motivator which you need to be because nobody is going to hold your hand here, and 2) they plan on going to med school, which means a strong GPA is often more important than which school you went to. We may know that other schools grade inflates and Cal grade deflates to a degree, but in talking to former AdCom members they don't really accept that.

Excuse me for prioritizing someone's professional success over the feel-good nature of going to my alma mater. Unless of course you don't believe that Cal is ultra-competitive and does not baby you?

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You'd be better off convincing this person not to go into medicine.

Unit2Sucks;731868 said:

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You could have stopped here. It doesn't matter where your friend goes to school, if s/he isn't a self-motivator then medical school isn't in the cards. There is no amount of hand-holding that will get someone into med school, or once into med school will get them to succeed. A lot of people say they want to go to med school, but the process is difficult and weeds out everyone who doesn't want to sacrifice a lot of their time/energy to achieving the goal.

Law school - different story. Law schools are full of lazy smart people.

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Great point

aceman;731585 said:

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Hello. I have a good friend who got into Cal, UCLA, and Columbia for grad school, first for a masters degree and then maybe PhD. The program is East Asian Studies. I don't know too much about this program, but she obviously knows the programs/professors well at each school and is leaning towards UCLA because of a slightly better fit with the professors or some such crap.

I am trying to convince her to come to Cal by collecting a list of impressive Cal accomplishments, rankings, videos, articles, anything cool or inspirational stuff about Cal.

Please help me with this list, provide links/proof/source, and most importantly, add to the list!!

1) You See Berkeley video (source: Youtube) How can you not want to come to Cal after watching this???

2) The Times global universities reputation ranking with Cal 4th or 5th (source: The Times website)

3) World Universities Ranking by Shanghai Jiaotung University with Cal 2nd (source: I can find the website easily)

4) Berkeley has more programs in the top 10 than Harvard (what's the source of this?? Can someone help me find this)

5) Berkeley educates more low income students than all of the Ivy League combined (what's the source of this?)

6) There's something about Phd programs...like Berkeley produces more Phd's than any other school...or was it Berkeley undergrads go on to obtain more Phd's than any other undergrads.....I can't really remember. Any details on this?

7) Berkeley as catalyst for Free Speech Movement, Civil Rights Movement, etc.

8) JFK speech about Berkeley contributing as much to America as Harvard

9) Most Peace Corps volunteers out of any university (not sure if this is relevant though)

10) Nobel prizes. (although Columbia has more, so probably won't mention this)

11) Washington Monthly ranking on contribution to society (although UCLA ranks higher, so probably won't mention this).



Anything else?? Please add to this list!

Thanks.

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She should visit all three schools and meet with the faculty in the field she wishes to pursue while soaking up some campus life in the process. She'll find her fit. If she has to be convinced to come to Cal after that then it probably was never for her...Good Luck.

GO BEARS!

GB54;731874 said:

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go into

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" ... one of the most underrated of all time."







:Monty:tedford:cheer:cheer

prospeCt;731890 said:

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" ... one of the most underrated of all time."







:Monty:tedford:cheer:cheer

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Greg Kihn.. Takes me back to when I was @ Cal. Thanks P !
:bravo

Folks...so far not much relevant info here and going off on all tangents...come on guys, where's the Cal pride?

I think I made it pretty clear that I am NOT trying to be objective here, I am trying to CONVINCE my friend to COME TO CAL because I am a proud grad of the greatest university in the world.

As I've mentioned, she knows all programs well. She know the places, she knows the professors. Money is not an issue since she got fellowships to all 3 programs...it's all free.

Anything info , links, articles , videos on how great CAL is, let me know.

thanks!

aceman;731989 said:

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Folks...so far not much relevant info here and going off on all tangents...come on guys, where's the Cal pride?

I think I made it pretty clear that I am NOT trying to be objective here, I am trying to CONVINCE my friend to COME TO CAL because I am a proud grad of the greatest university in the world.

As I've mentioned, she knows all programs well. She know the places, she knows the professors. Money is not an issue since she got fellowships to all 3 programs...it's all free.

Anything info , links, articles , videos on how great CAL is, let me know.

thanks!

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Is there really a school more east Asian than Cal outside of Asia? Seems like a no brainer

aceman;731989 said:

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Folks...so far not much relevant info here and going off on all tangents...come on guys, where's the Cal pride?

I think I made it pretty clear that I am NOT trying to be objective here, I am trying to CONVINCE my friend to COME TO CAL because I am a proud grad of the greatest university in the world.

As I've mentioned, she knows all programs well. She know the places, she knows the professors. Money is not an issue since she got fellowships to all 3 programs...it's all free.

Anything info , links, articles , videos on how great CAL is, let me know.

thanks!

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http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html

http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2011.html

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/north-america.html

National Research Council ranks UC Berkeley’s Ph.D. programs among nation’s best
http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2010/09/28/nrc-rankings/

http://grad.berkeley.edu/publications/pdf/usnews_rankings_2008.pdf

http://www.berkeley.edu/about/nrc-rank.shtml

Best Graduate Schools USN&WR's. Go to each separate graduate school and click on that...plus go into the individual divisions within each school...Cal shows up in the top 3 in many of them and in the top 5-10 on pretty much all of them.

http://www.webometrics.info/top100_continent.asp?cont=usa_canada

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Folks...so far not much relevant info here and going off on all tangents...come on guys, where's the Cal pride?

Anything info , links, articles , videos on how great CAL is, let me know.thanks!

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Hey the pics are nice but not super useful, however your signature items are very interesting...the info is not up to date is it? I think the actual Nobel count is like 47 according to Wikipedia. Where did you find all this data?

I typed "University of California, Berkeley" into a Google search bar.

Berkeley faculty, alumni, and researchers associated with the school have won 70:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_affiliated_with_the_University_of_California,_Berkeley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley

In contrast, Columbia claims 79 including alumni, faculty, adjunct faculty, researchers and administrators.
http://www.columbia.edu/content/nobel-laureates.html

or 96 including others affiliated with the university as prize-winners:
http://www.wikicu.com/Nobel_Prize#cite_note-0

See the section entitled methods of counting.

For Cal Athletics:
http://www.calbears.com/trads/cal-nat-champs.html

My sig line doesn't include the recent swim team championships.