grrrrah;841893074 said:

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I'm not going to go back and re-watch, but I believe KA credited that to Marvin, not JT.

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he did

BAMSPhD;841892675 said:

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Barsky noted that only 1% of college athletes make it to the pros. He questioned why Berkeley should accept so many academically-compromised students, when the chance of success in their chose profession (i.e. pro sports) is so low.

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Really? 100% of athletes believe they're going to make a living playing pro ball? I don't think you're that stupid, so I'll have to go with intellectually dishonest instead.

So BAM, does Barsky believe that a Cal education should be reserved only for those who had the advantages of affluent families and school systems? Perhaps we should end diversity efforts since you/Barsky don't want to see "academically challenged" students admitted.

As W. Williams alludes to in the video, it's what you do with the opportunity you've been given to attend a great university. I'm sure that if you look at the lives of former Cal players, you will find that many succeeded in something other than "their chosen profession" of football. Likely that many of these men would never have had the opportunity to reach such success without having first received a football scholarship to the University of California.

grrrrah;841893079 said:

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Really? 100% of athletes believe they're going to make a living playing pro ball? I don't think you're that stupid, so I'll have to go with intellectually dishonest instead.

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The graduation rate for Cal football dropped plummetted to 31%, A higher 4-year average still ranking Cal 111 of 120 FBS schools.

The Daily Californian wrote,

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The disparity between the GSR of Cal's football players and the federal graduation rate of the Cal student body has grown to -36 percent, the largest gap of all FBS schools.

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The picture is even more grim for men's basketball.

The Daily Cal calls the situation "embarrassing" and "entirely unacceptable for a university of our caliber." It points to Stanford as proof that it is possible to have strong athletics and strong academics.

BAMSPhD;841893083 said:

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The Daily Cal calls the situation "embarrassing" and "entirely unacceptable for a university of our caliber." It points to Stanford as proof that it is possible to have strong athletics and strong academics.

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Oh please. The graduation rate is such an atrocious and abused stat. It does not take into account players leaving early for the pros or medical retirements or transfers or anything of the sort.

Furd has an "easy class" list for athletes, and it's not like it's hard to graduate from there in the first place. You'd have to set a building on fire (or more realistically drop out because of how lame it is there) to not make it.

BAMSPhD;841892675 said:

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I love it how some people feel the need to lie or mislead about Barsky's quotes in pathetic attempts to discredit him. Barsky said very little in this video, and none of it was refuted by the narrator.

Barsky said that athletics is not what the university is here to do. Athletics is a sideshow.

Barsky noted that only 1% of college athletes make it to the pros. He questioned why Berkeley should accept so many academically-compromised students, when the chance of success in their chose profession (i.e. pro sports) is so low.

He noted that the athletics director makes more money than the chancellor, as an example that money doesn't go to the student athletes, it goes to the people who are running the program.

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View the tape again dude. I hope you spend a little more attention designing your lectures. Most athletes the chosen profession is not pro sports. Just wondering btw, how many of those humanities students, actually are involved in the so called chosen profession (those that actually are employed)? Maybe if some of the Cal faculty did a better job fundraising and spent less time crying about other's salaries, their department's wouldn't be so underfunded. After all, those private schools like Furd and SC seem to be able to fund I/A deficits at greater levels than Cal, and not have the unsustainable financial crises Cal has on the academic side due to State funding cuts. Either adopt or leave if you don't like it BAMS. The stadium is funded, the financing is in, and like it not, the donors have made it clear that if you cut even minor sports, they will withhold more money in academic donations than savings. How is that for a sideshow BAMS? Cut sports and lose more funding for academics. The perfect lose lose only an ivory tower Cal professor would desire.

BAMSPhD;841892881 said:

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Lol are you trying to deny that there is a huge graduation rate gap for "student" athletes at Cal?

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The student athlete graduation rate is 79% while it's 90% for the general population. That is not *huge*. If one excludes football from the calculation, that rate increases to ~84% and, if one excludes football and men's basketball, the rate is ~86%.

You and barky would be better served by saying what you really mean - that you have a problem with football.... because there are over 450 scholarship athletes and 800+ participants in Cal athletics and it's absolutely ridiculous to say they as a whole have a 1% chance of making it in the pros because that's not even their goal.

If you or Barsky do not want the state funding a football minor league, sure that is a reasonable argument, but then you or Basrky have to acknowledge that Cal football is the reason the athletic department will get a TV rights payment that is $25 million more per year than non football schools. And the $20 million+ in ticket sales and donations for football. At this point, it is completely a fabrication to say football costs the state money or diverts money from academics.

If Barsky wants the IAD to run a balanced budget while huge TV payments are coming in, that's also fine to ask for, but do it in a way that is truthful and not in a way that completely embarrasses the university while using trumped up/misleading statistics and numbers to support that point.

." It points to Stanford as proof that it is possible to have strong athletics and strong academics."


This is pure clown alley stuff. Been following sports around here since 1947.
I have never publicly read about more than 2 fud jocks ever to flunk out of that institution period.

Really, that smart are they? You bettum....because privates institutes do not publish their smelly stats....U of socal at LA and the fuds......lead the way on this.

Say, why don't you send your resume to them?

LessMilesMoreTedford;841893084 said:

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Oh please. The graduation rate is such an atrocious and abused stat. It does not take into account players leaving early for the pros or medical retirements or transfers or anything of the sort.

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Lol so what do you want it to take into account? Just graduates? Then we are at 100%!

1947;841893124 said:

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." It points to Stanford as proof that it is possible to have strong athletics and strong academics."


This is pure clown alley stuff. Been following sports around here since 1947.
I have never publicly read about more than 2 fud jocks ever to flunk out of that institution period.

Really, that smart are they? You bettum....because privates institutes do not publish their smelly stats....U of socal at LA and the fuds......lead the way on this.

Say, why don't you send your resume to them?

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First, you have to go out and get funding to support your professorship, something many Cal professors seem incapable of doing given their suck off the taxpayer mindset. (BTW, this is not universally true - there are Cal profs that actively obtain grant funding and meet donors at speaking, sporting and alum events). Second, and more important, Furd funds I/A deficits about twice the size of Cal's I/A deficit, does so in order to enhance funding for the academic side, and will counsel any faculty member that objects. The often recited story in alum circles is of the faculty member that bashed football publicly, was brought into a meeting with the Provost and his department head, and told that a certain football fan donor was thinking about withdrawing pledged funds. If the donor withdrew funding, the money lost was coming out professor's department's budget. Hey BAMS, still want to use Furd as your shiny example? The financial burden facing Cal's academics is that is doesn't have the endowment that other top tier academic schools have developed on a per student basis (so don't give more Barsky like bull crap stats), and now is unable to cope with State funding cuts. The Chancellor knows it, the trustees know it, the administration knows it. We are talking the need for a $1 billion increase in endowment. Yet the faculty like Barsky view the problem as a $5 to 10 million operating deficit now caused by increases in student tuition and I/A payment of overhead. BAMS, do you have any idea how much damage control the administration has to do with donors every time a Barsky article comes out? Just let the Profs have their way and you can turn Cal into a second rate, underfunded school.

I am sure BAMS has a way to fund 700 students now paid for by I/A? Let the taxpayers pay for them instead? Right? And what is your plan when you lose the the approximate $100 million annual donations the Chancellor says I/A donors give to the academics because you have pissed them off by deemphasiizing or eliminating competitive sports? Must be more taxpayer money and tuition hikes. Take a look as some of the new buildings on campus and see whose names are on them. Yes, they almost all are major I/A backers. This is exactly why Furd would not hire Barsky or his elk.

BAMS probably doesn't get this, but politicians on both sides of the aisle (and most particularly the President) are complaining about tuition hikes and saying they are not going to keep funding them with government aid. So if you think all this is cured by more taxpayer money, you are disillusioned. Increase the endowment or perish.

Take an Alumni vote. Would you prefer that Cal have a football team or that Barsky take the next bus out of town? I would be happy to drive Barsky to the bus station.

Let's not hate on professors in general at Cal. One of my favorite professors loves the Cal football team because of the connection it creates with students, alumni, and the school. Why try to take that away?

Barsky please go to Furd. You are a pathetic professor for trying to take away something every Cal fan loves.