I didn't see the game today after the first quarter because I had to work, and while we looked absolutely awful during that first quarter, Maynard's stats ended up quite good: 17/23, 229 Yards, 1 TD, 1 Int, plus 39 rush yards.

So while I think we are headed for a very poor season and that it is probably time for a coaching change, I don't understand why everyone is calling for a QB change. I would LOVE if he put up those numbers every game.

please try to be reasonable.:gobears:

Don't worry bro, Maynard will probably outplay Barkley like he did Luck last year!

Maynard for the Heisman!

He always puts up decent numbers against teams like SUU, Oregon State (last year), Utah, Wazzu, even Nevada last week. It's not just stats. Even on completions he throws them on the wrong side of the receiver against momentum, he misses badly on easy balls, he throws that ugly pick and almost throws a pick while being sacked, he has no field of vision, zero pocket awareness -- but does put up decent stats against bad teams, no doubt about it. Unless he turns into someone we haven't seen the last two years, we're going to get hammered in Columbus. Think the Texas Holiday Bowl but worse because of the hostile environment.

Yes, his stats don't look bad but often, they don't tell the whole story. Just when things are going bad, he seems to get that turnover at the worst time to deflate the team even more. Sure, the playcalling is express mailed to the opposition before we hit the field so the coach is partly to blame but that doesn't mean Maynard shouldn't get some of the blame for floating passes and an inability to deliver accurately from inside the pocket (ok, so the pocket collapses really fast this year).

People pile onto Maynard because he is a difficult individual to like. He is NOT a STUDENT-athlete, his transfer and attendance at Cal is a sham. Besides his lack of effort in the classroom, most insiders have noted that he does not work very hard at football either. Maybe he's a nice guy but he is lazy...and no one likes lazy people.

I agree with the OP. People are in a rage about his horrible passes, but there were only 6 incompletions. I counted 3 bad passes: the pick, his miss in the endzone, and a poorly thrown out route. The pick comes mostly down to a whiffed block.

People (maybe a different group) are also pissed at him showing frustration to JT when the entire stadium was showing frustration with JT. You probably had to be there to have known exactly what this was like.

Maynard has played some horrible games for us, but this wasn't one of them. The defense and JT should get most of the criticism.

hanky1;841943404 said:

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People pile onto Maynard because he is a difficult individual to like. He is NOT a STUDENT-athlete, his transfer and attendance at Cal is a sham. Besides his lack of effort in the classroom, most insiders have noted that he does not work very hard at football either. Maybe he's a nice guy but he is lazy...and no one likes lazy people.

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How do you know that he is lazy? Are you on the football team? Do you tutor him? Criticize his playing or ability but the character assassination is inappropriate.

BerlinerBaer;841943409 said:

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I agree with the OP. People are in a rage about his horrible passes, but there were only 6 incompletions. I counted 3 bad passes: the pick, his miss in the endzone, and a poorly thrown out route. The pick comes mostly down to a whiffed block.

People (maybe a different group) are also pissed at him showing frustration to JT when the entire stadium was showing frustration with JT. You probably had to be there to have known exactly what this was like.

Maynard has played some horrible games for us, but this wasn't one of them. The defense and JT should get most of the criticism.

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Drink up brother.

OskiMD;841943396 said:

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Don't worry bro, Maynard will probably outplay Barkley like he did Luck last year!

Maynard for the Heisman!

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Enjoying a nice steak dinner at home, literally spit up my vino. Thanks for the laugh.

hanky1;841943404 said:

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People pile onto Maynard because he is a difficult individual to like. He is NOT a STUDENT-athlete, his transfer and attendance at Cal is a sham.

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Sadly, I highly doubt Maynard leaves Cal with a diploma in his hands. It might be a bit unfair to single him out for his non-academic inclination, since most of the team is probably the same, but maybe Maynard is just more extreme. He really shouldn't have been admitted to Cal for academic reasons (how many times did he take the ACT to get a sufficient score? and didn't he have a 2.0-ish GPA out of HS?) -- he's just a poor fit. Add to that his somewhat unlikable personality (which results in his doing boneheaded things like point to his bicep rapidly 20 times like he wasn't the 9th rated QB in the conference last year) and erratic and inconsistent QB play and you have a recipe for disaster...

joeBerkeley;841943393 said:

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I didn't see the game today after the first quarter because I had to work, and while we looked absolutely awful during that first quarter, Maynard's stats ended up quite good: 17/23, 229 Yards, 1 TD, 1 Int, plus 39 rush yards.

So while I think we are headed for a very poor season and that it is probably time for a coaching change, I don't understand why everyone is calling for a QB change. I would LOVE if he put up those numbers every game.

please try to be reasonable.:gobears:

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You need to watch the throws he doesn't make. That's the problem. They're just SO TERRIBLE. Nowhere near the receiver, indicative of poor decision making, poor vision, etc.

joeBerkeley;841943393 said:

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I didn't see the game today after the first quarter because I had to work, and while we looked absolutely awful during that first quarter, Maynard's stats ended up quite good: 17/23, 229 Yards, 1 TD, 1 Int, plus 39 rush yards.

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It must have slipped your mind who the opponent was today. An FCS team in the Big Sky Conference. Last year in the Great West Conference, S. Utah suffered losses versus South Dakota State, North Dakota, South Dakota, Cal Poly, and Northern Iowa.

If I survive a round against Georges St. Pierre, that is an accomplishment. If a 14-year old fights me mano-a-mano for 3 close rounds before I finish him in the 4th, I better hang up my gloves or spar only against prepubescents.

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;841943467 said:

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It must have slipped your mind who the opponent was today. An FCS team in the Big Sky Conference. Last year in the Great West Conference, S. Utah suffered losses versus South Dakota State, North Dakota, South Dakota, Cal Poly, and Northern Iowa.

If I survive a round against Georges St. Pierre, that is an accomplishment. If a 14-year old fights me mano-a-mano for 3 close rounds before I finish him in the 4th, I better hang up my gloves or spar only against prepubescents.

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I get it, but this all applies to the defense MUCH more than Maynard. Maynard went 73% on the day. The defense gave up 4 TDs to an FCS school.

BerlinerBaer;841943474 said:

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I get it, but this all applies to the defense MUCH more than Maynard. Maynard went 73% on the day. The defense gave up 4 TDs to an FCS school.

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I agree about the defense, but half the passes were screen plays or swing passes...the stats are a bit deceptive in this case...he did make 2 really goo throws down field but most were short plays with a lot of YAC. Plus ZM still fails to go thru his reads and locks on to his receivers big time...that might fly against an FCS team, but it won't against the better teams we'll be playing.

BerlinerBaer;841943474 said:

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I get it, but this all applies to the defense MUCH more than Maynard. Maynard went 73% on the day. The defense gave up 4 TDs to an FCS school.

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^^^^This

Maynard is not the problem!

If you didn't watch or check the score before coming to this board, you'd swear we just got whipped by some high school team.

calbearsfaninsac;841943497 said:

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^^^^This

Maynard is not the problem!

If you didn't watch or check the score before coming to this board, you'd swear we just got whipped by some high school team.

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whoa, whoa... Take all the games we have lost , including last year. Maynard is th problem. Our defense has usually kept us in it. If we had had a good qb we would have won a lot more games. Maynard gets good stats, but his misses are horrendous, at crucial times, and his demeanor is like a pouty school kid. He is not Cal, PAC12 or Div 1 material. Just sayin oh, and not to mention his interceptions and fumbles. Way too many

BerlinerBaer;841943474 said:

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I get it, but this all applies to the defense MUCH more than Maynard. Maynard went 73% on the day. The defense gave up 4 TDs to an FCS school.

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D did look bad at times. Considering who they were playing, it should have been complete domination, sort of like what the LSU D did today against a respectable Pac-12 offense--kept it in the single digits.

Just because the D was bad, though, it doesn't mean we should overlook other deficiencies in the team, QB play being one. Remember, the S. Utah Thunderbird D is also obscenely horrible. A decent (not great) Pac-12 QB would have thrown for over 400 yds & 4-5 TDs.

BerlinerBaer;841943474 said:

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I get it, but this all applies to the defense MUCH more than Maynard. Maynard went 73% on the day. The defense gave up 4 TDs to an FCS school.

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One of those TDs were the result of a Maynard pick. As in they got great field position from it.

davetdds;841943510 said:

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whoa, whoa... Take all the games we have lost , including last year. Maynard is th problem. Our defense has usually kept us in it. If we had had a good qb we would have won a lot more games. Maynard gets good stats, but his misses are horrendous, at crucial times, and his demeanor is like a pouty school kid. He is not Cal, PAC12 or Div 1 material. Just sayin

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That was last year. Look, I get Maynard is not a great QB! But he wasn't the reason we lost to Nevada. He isn't the reason S. Utah scored 31.

Honestly, Tell me his play this year is the MAJOR reason Negabears feel we're going to lose this year. From this board you'd think the defense won this game. Final score must have been 3 to 0.

StillNoStanfurdium;841943532 said:

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One of those TDs were the result of a Maynard pick. As in they got great field position from it.

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Cal D also got the INT returned for TD while the game was still close,

one of their TDs caught in heavy traffic was pretty lucky,

and Bears had 5 sacks.

OskiMD;841943452 said:

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Sadly, I highly doubt Maynard leaves Cal with a diploma in his hands. It might be a bit unfair to single him out for his non-academic inclination, since most of the team is probably the same, but maybe Maynard is just more extreme. He really shouldn't have been admitted to Cal for academic reasons (how many times did he take the ACT to get a sufficient score? and didn't he have a 2.0-ish GPA out of HS?) -- he's just a poor fit. Add to that his somewhat unlikable personality (which results in his doing boneheaded things like point to his bicep rapidly 20 times like he wasn't the 9th rated QB in the conference last year) and erratic and inconsistent QB play and you have a recipe for disaster...

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I went back and watched that video. I counted only 19 times he pointed to his bicep...not 20. Clearly he's a much more likable person than you think he is.

And I'm 100% certain that Cal will never end up on probation like we did at the end of Holmoe because of Zach.

NYCGOBEARS;841943417 said:

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How do you know that he is lazy? Are you on the football team? Do you tutor him? Criticize his playing or ability but the character assassination is inappropriate.

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Cal has had some bad QBs the past few years. But as bad as those guys were they gave it their all and bled blue and gold. They were student athletes.

Maynard on the other hand is different. I strongly believe Maynard should be kicked off the team and expelled from the university.

calbearsfaninsac;841943534 said:

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That was last year. Look, I get Maynard is not a great QB! But he wasn't the reason we lost to Nevada. He isn't the reason S. Utah scored 31.

Honestly, Tell me his play this year is the MAJOR reason Negabears feel we're going to lose this year. From this board you'd think the defense won this game. Final score must have been 3 to 0.

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There's this QB, played his college ball at Florida...had the worst skills ever. Even carried over to the NFL...think 'Tebone' was his name, or something.

But when he played well, so did the rest of his team, including the defense.

Point being, yes, even the defense can be affected by the QB play. It ranges from tangible things like TOP and moving the chains (anyone notice the 25:35 TOP difference last week?) to intangibles like attitude and effort.

hehatenate;841943597 said:

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There's this QB, played his college ball at Florida...had the worst skills ever. Even carried over to the NFL...think 'Tebone' was his name, or something.

But when he played well, so did the rest of his team, including the defense.

Point being, yes, even the defense can be affected by the QB play. It ranges from tangible things like TOP and moving the chains (anyone notice the 25:35 TOP difference last week?) to intangibles like attitude and effort.

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Yup....just ask Auburn. Without their pay to player Cam Newton, they can't even beat Miss. St or Clemson.

calbearsfaninsac;841943534 said:

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That was last year. Look, I get Maynard is not a great QB! But he wasn't the reason we lost to Nevada. He isn't the reason S. Utah scored 31.

Honestly, Tell me his play this year is the MAJOR reason Negabears feel we're going to lose this year. From this board you'd think the defense won this game. Final score must have been 3 to 0.

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In Nevada's game, Maynard fumble deep in their territory late in the game costed us the game, not to mention other times he could not convert on crucial 3rd downs.

In today's game, toward the end of 1st half, deep in S.Utah territory, he called two time outs and horrible 3rd down incompletion, effectively leaving enough time for S. Utah's Hail Mary, not to mention the interception that gave them the touchdown.

He is terrible Qb, not because of stats but his mismanagement of game.

Maynard's not the issue. He's just symptomatic of a coach without leadership, strategic or teaching skills. All the other QBs would equally fail. Bridgford at this point looks like he's totally frozen in fear.

hanky1;841943596 said:

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Cal has had some bad QBs the past few years. But as bad as those guys were they gave it their all and bled blue and gold. They were student athletes.

Maynard on the other hand is different. I strongly believe Maynard should be kicked off the team and expelled from the university.

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Wow, hate is ugly.

calbearsfaninsac;841943534 said:

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That was last year. Look, I get Maynard is not a great QB! But he wasn't the reason we lost to Nevada. He isn't the reason S. Utah scored 31.

Honestly, Tell me his play this year is the MAJOR reason Negabears feel we're going to lose this year. From this board you'd think the defense won this game. Final score must have been 3 to 0.

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Easy answer. Our defense will mesh and get better. Maynard wil not get better. Our defense has a lot of new guys. Maynard strted all last year and still makes the same bonehead throws and mistakes. Ask me a harder question

StillNoStanfurdium;841943532 said:

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One of those TDs were the result of a Maynard pick. As in they got great field position from it.

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No. The defense pushed SUU back from the 28, where the pick occurred, to the 50, where they punted. But sure, let's make stuff up.

calumnus;841943641 said:

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Wow, hate is ugly.

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+1

calbearsfaninsac;841943497 said:

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^^^^This

Maynard is not the problem!

If you didn't watch or check the score before coming to this board, you'd swear we just got whipped by some high school team.

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check back next week then. Maynard stinks.. wish it wasn't the case but I would take back Vedder over this dufus.

joeberkeley;841943393 said:

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i didn't see the game today after the first quarter because i had to work, and while we looked absolutely awful during that first quarter, maynard's stats ended up quite good: 17/23, 229 yards, 1 td, 1 int, plus 39 rush yards.

So while i think we are headed for a very poor season and that it is probably time for a coaching change, i don't understand why everyone is calling for a qb change. I would love if he put up those numbers every game.

Please try to be reasonable.:gobears:

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[size="2"]because stats do not tell the story, especially with maynard. I am getting soo bleepin sick of the "but look at his stats." crap after every game. He is not a leader. His nepotism and attitude with his brother is a cancer. He is often inconsistent in critical moments of the game and cannot make easy throws. This is d-1 pac-12 football. Look at the other conference qbs and compare. Cal has plenty of talented qbs who haven't gotten a chance so we really don't know if maynard is the best! Any other questions?[/size]

BerlinerBaer;841943650 said:

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No. The defense pushed SUU back from the 28, where the pick occurred, to the 50, where they punted. But sure, let's make stuff up.

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So, BB, that is an example of a ZM screw up causing SU to be deep in Cal territory, but the Cal D turned that precarious situation into an SU punt after 2 sacks by the Cal D. Cal D saved ZM there.

Cal_Fan2;841943492 said:

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I agree about the defense, but half the passes were screen plays or swing passes...the stats are a bit deceptive in this case...he did make 2 really goo throws down field but most were short plays with a lot of YAC. Plus ZM still fails to go thru his reads and locks on to his receivers big time...that might fly against an FCS team, but it won't against the better teams we'll be playing.

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Actually it is the opposite. He went 74% on the day, but the ones he missed were actually mostly the short easy ones, especially the swing passes (Riley was similar)--any kind of fade. I think those stand out in people's minds, which is why they are frustrated with him and their memories do not conform with the stats. He made some really great tough throws that they don't seem to remember. Just like people do not remember his play in Big Game. The human mind is interesting that way. Most people see what they believe.

Very happy to see him running for first downs, especially that 3rd and 15(?). I always hated it when opposing QBs did that to us, and wanted him (and Riley) to do it far more. Also glad to see him tuck the ball when he ran this week.

BerlinerBaer;841943650 said:

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No. The defense pushed SUU back from the 28, where the pick occurred, to the 50, where they punted. But sure, let's make stuff up.

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Well my bad on that one then. But yeah, doesn't exactly end up making the D look bad.