Because, if she doesn't, we can pretty much guarantee another "I will evaluate the program from top to bottom" housecleaning. That means MORE instability in the assistant ranks, more turmoil, more recruiting wiffs, etc. etc. etc.

Now the flip side (get the pumper out) is that I do muse whether a BIG chunk of what is the problem starts and stops with our QB-WR duo. For whatever reason (and my guess is that they keep to themselves, are not "cali" kids, have ties that go back before Cal and expect them to continue after) they are not "team" kind of kids.

Call me an optomist but I wonder if we KEPT the current staff in tack, got rid of the selfish kids we couldn't return to 08/09 levels. Now I know that isn't elite but at least we were competitive against Most Pac-12 teams.

socaltownie;841964457 said:

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Because, if she doesn't, we can pretty much guarantee another "I will evaluate the program from top to bottom" housecleaning. That means MORE instability in the assistant ranks, more turmoil, more recruiting wiffs, etc. etc. etc.

Now the flip side (get the pumper out) is that I do muse whether a BIG chunk of what is the problem starts and stops with our QB-WR duo. For whatever reason (and my guess is that they keep to themselves, are not "cali" kids, have ties that go back before Cal and expect them to continue after) they are not "team" kind of kids.

Call me an optomist but I wonder if we KEPT the current staff in tack, got rid of the selfish kids we couldn't return to 08/09 levels. Now I know that isn't elite but at least we were competitive against Most Pac-12 teams.

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Yeah, but it's the decision to let Maynard/Keenan take control over our team, even when Maynard has looked terrible, that is a major indictment of Tedford.

socaltownie;841964457 said:

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Because, if she doesn't, we can pretty much guarantee another "I will evaluate the program from top to bottom" housecleaning. That means MORE instability in the assistant ranks, more turmoil, more recruiting wiffs, etc. etc. etc.

Now the flip side (get the pumper out) is that I do muse whether a BIG chunk of what is the problem starts and stops with our QB-WR duo. For whatever reason (and my guess is that they keep to themselves, are not "cali" kids, have ties that go back before Cal and expect them to continue after) they are not "team" kind of kids.

Call me an optomist but I wonder if we KEPT the current staff in tack, got rid of the selfish kids we couldn't return to 08/09 levels. Now I know that isn't elite but at least we were competitive against Most Pac-12 teams.

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...the evaluation is really done from the bottom to the TOP minus ONE. And that is where the problem is ladies and gents.

I think we may be a little rough on KA21. Yes Maynard blows donky nuts, and yes he's KA21's brother, but that doesn't mean they should be mentioned together in this fashion.

I wonder if JT would change QBs if he knew for sure it would save his job? I wonder what would happen to KA if JT did go to QB that wasn't his brother. Would he play the same? Would he get as many touches? Even if we lost every remaining game, the season would be so much more interesting if Hinder or Bridgford got to play. I think Maynard has very little upside at this point. I prefer the passing game, but last Saturday I found myself hoping that Maynard would just hand the ball of on every play. Seeing him drop back to pass is making me:bigpuke::crazy:nono::eek::cry::facepalm all at once

orindabear74;841964520 said:

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I think we may be a little rough on KA21. Yes Maynard blows donky nuts, and yes he's KA21's brother, but that doesn't mean they should be mentioned together in this fashion.

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The problem is that KA isn't able/willing to LEAD on a team that desperately needs leadership from its athletes. As the best player on the team, KA should have that role.

...to STOP the bleeding.

Murphy's Law has been in evidence for some time now, with JT; nothing will change, because it has been changing in the wrong direction for years, now.

The sooner the firing takes place, the sooner healing, recruiting, selling tickets, renewal, the resurgence...takes place!

The BEST public University in the world...deserves it, too.

Mediocrity sucks.

:horse

socaltownie;841964738 said:

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The problem is that KA isn't able/willing to LEAD on a team that desperately needs leadership from its athletes. As the best player on the team, KA should have that role.

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Ridiculous. KA played through sickness yesterday, and there were several examples of him fighting to hold extended downfield blocks to help his teammates. Not all leaders have to be vocal. I think the leadership vaccuum really all stems from the top because Tedford has created a culture that doesn't build or allow for leaders.

There's no evidence that KA's holding a gun to Tedford's head (metaphorically speaking) to play his brother.

I find the notion that this team would be better off without KA and ZM numbing in its stupidity. ZM is middling but his backup is worse plus they are all coached by an incompetent

Thank you Ed. This is on Tedford. The players do what he says. If they don't? It is his fault for losing the team.

GB54;841964860 said:

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I find the notion that this team would be better off without KA and ZM numbing in its stupidity. ZM is middling but his backup is worse plus they are all coached by an incompetent

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Do you think this team's chemistry sucks? I do. And the most obvious explanation is divisions. The most obvious explanation for that is a clique that all came into together from 3000 miles away.

GB54;841964860 said:

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I find the notion that this team would be better off without KA and ZM numbing in its stupidity. ZM is middling but his backup is worse plus they are all coached by an incompetent

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The OLine sucks - and has been destroyed by injuries. Put in the backup QBs and it gets worse.

socaltownie;841964862 said:

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Do you think this team's chemistry sucks? I do. And the most obvious explanation is divisions. The most obvious explanation for that is a clique that all came into together from 3000 miles away.

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Why is that obvious? Why are Allen, Maynard and McCain troublemakers because they are out of towners? Allen and McCain are two of our best players and ZM has been turned into a crash test dummy by his coach and offensive line (maybe a cabal there come to think of it).

The chemistry sucks because they are playing for a coach they don't respect and who makes decisions that costs them wins. I suspect they aren't lone rangers,

The chemistry sucks because they're losing.

GB54;841964868 said:

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The chemistry sucks because they are playing for a coach they don't respect and who makes decisions that costs them wins. I suspect they aren't lone rangers,

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GB54;841964868 said:

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Why is that obvious? Why are Allen, Maynard and McCain troublemakers because they are out of towners? Allen and McCain are two of our best players and ZM has been turned into a crash test dummy by his coach and offensive line (maybe a cabal there come to think of it).

The chemistry sucks because they are playing for a coach they don't respect and who makes decisions that costs them wins. I suspect they aren't lone rangers,

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The Alpha is Tedfraud but he is not the Omega. Or essentially you are arguing that this team is really UNTALENTED. Cause it isn't just the fact that we lead the nation in giving up sacks - we also don't put much pressure on the QB and we can't force turnovers.

On the field leadership is so lacking.... Maynard walking out of bounds and not fighting for yards....or seemingly a defense that doesn't get fired up.

socaltownie;841964874 said:

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The Alpha is Tedfraud but he is not the Omega. Or essentially you are arguing that this team is really UNTALENTED. Cause it isn't just the fact that we lead the nation in giving up sacks - we also don't put much pressure on the QB and we can't force turnovers.

On the field leadership is so lacking.... Maynard walking out of bounds and not fighting for yards....or seemingly a defense that doesn't get fired up.

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No I am arguing that the team is under-performing- not motivated and poorly coached and that is your chemistry.

I'm not a big Maynard fan but I also find the Dr Phil comments about his body language to be cheap shots. Yesterday he was yelling at his OL after being sacked and people actually criticized that on this board. I applaud it- maybe he's telling them he can't win unless he gets time. What is wrong with that? Anyone who has ever played competitive sports has yelled at a teammate in the heat of the moment and some-Michael Jordan and Tom Brady, come to mind, are doing it every game. When they do it , it's "leadership."

GB54;841964886 said:

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No I am arguing that the team is under-performing- not motivated and poorly coached and that is your chemistry.

I'm not a big Maynard fan but I also find the Dr Phil comments about his body language to be cheap shots. Yesterday he was yelling at his OL after being sacked and people actually criticized that on this board. I applaud it- maybe he's telling them he can't win unless he gets time. What is wrong with that? Anyone who has ever played competitive sports has yelled at a teammate in the heat of the moment and some-Michael Jordan and Tom Brady, come to mind, are doing it every game. When they do it , it's "leadership."

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I agree with this. I would like to see MORE yelling - not less - and that includes our dead man walking coach.

manus;841964741 said:

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...to STOP the bleeding.

Mediocrity sucks.
:horse

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Cal will be looking up at mediocrity for a few years.

:tedford

GB54;841964886 said:

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No I am arguing that the team is under-performing- not motivated and poorly coached and that is your chemistry.

I'm not a big Maynard fan but I also find the Dr Phil comments about his body language to be cheap shots. Yesterday he was yelling at his OL after being sacked and people actually criticized that on this board. I applaud it- maybe he's telling them he can't win unless he gets time. What is wrong with that? Anyone who has ever played competitive sports has yelled at a teammate in the heat of the moment and some-Michael Jordan and Tom Brady, come to mind, are doing it every game. When they do it , it's "leadership."

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+1

GB54;841964886 said:

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No I am arguing that the team is under-performing- not motivated and poorly coached and that is your chemistry.

I'm not a big Maynard fan but I also find the Dr Phil comments about his body language to be cheap shots. Yesterday he was yelling at his OL after being sacked and people actually criticized that on this board. I applaud it- maybe he's telling them he can't win unless he gets time. What is wrong with that? Anyone who has ever played competitive sports has yelled at a teammate in the heat of the moment and some-Michael Jordan and Tom Brady, come to mind, are doing it every game. When they do it , it's "leadership."

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I agree.
Some posters are much more concerned with being gentleman-like than to win football games.
That goes right with their view on the coach, and the coach himself. Any display of killer instinct is being looked upon as being either arrogance or classless. Case in point, Pete Carroll regularly went for 4th down during his days at USC, many posters were disgusted with his "arrogance" for those 4th down attempts, for his lack of respect in the opposing defense, for his cockiness in his collection of talents (he gives lots of carries to many running backs), in his classlessness in throwing out the conventional way of thinking (i.e. the correct way to play the game is to kick on 4th downs like Tedford), for his smugness that he succeeds most of the time, and generally hate him for his killer instinct and take-no-prisoner attitude.

beelzebear;841964866 said:

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The OLine sucks - and has been destroyed by injuries. Put in the backup QBs and it gets worse.

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What if the back-ups are better than the starter, and can get the ball away accurately with a three step drop?

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What if the back-ups are better than the starter, and can get the ball away accurately with a three step drop?

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There has got to be one coach on that staff that sees things differently and could do things differently than what's been happening.

JT needs to be immediately fired and "that person" needs to be ID'd by the AD to take over for the rest of the season and salvage it....

GB54;841964886 said:

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No I am arguing that the team is under-performing- not motivated and poorly coached and that is your chemistry.

I'm not a big Maynard fan but I also find the Dr Phil comments about his body language to be cheap shots. Yesterday he was yelling at his OL after being sacked and people actually criticized that on this board. I applaud it- maybe he's telling them he can't win unless he gets time. What is wrong with that? Anyone who has ever played competitive sports has yelled at a teammate in the heat of the moment and some-Michael Jordan and Tom Brady, come to mind, are doing it every game. When they do it , it's "leadership."

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Unfortunately Maynard is not Jordan or Brady. So when one the worst player on the field who is constantly making mistakes himself yells at others for their mistakes, then he just looks like a douche.

GB54;841964860 said:

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I find the notion that this team would be better off without KA and ZM numbing in its stupidity. ZM is middling but his backup is worse plus they are all coached by an incompetent

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ZM is bloody awful and not "middling" as you suggest. KA would be better with him on the pine and this board without your ridiculous insights.

beelzebear;841964866 said:

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The OLine sucks - and has been destroyed by injuries. Put in the backup QBs and it gets worse.

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:rollinglaugh:

Losing brings out the worst in a team. Football is a very tough game to play well if you are not 100% focused. Offense blames the defense, defense blames the offense. It is very easy to lose focus and point fingers. Keenan Allen is a marvelous player and future pro. His brother is not. But it hurts to read every week about how ZM is the problem. I see Keenan Allen as a player that is trying too hard. He is not playing free.

The frustration has set in. The staff has a difficult job ahead. Keep the spirits up while pushing them to perform. It may be too late to get the team back. I thought the ASU game was a watershed game for the team. A win could get them back into the right frame of mind and provide belief the rest of the season was salvageable. I think UCLA game will be interesting to watch. Do they show up and play, or do they just show up.

Right now the team needs a win. Anyway they can. Winning cures a lot of ills.

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...Call me an optomist but I wonder if we KEPT the current staff in tack, got rid of the selfish kids we couldn't return to 08/09 levels. Now I know that isn't elite but at least we were competitive against Most Pac-12 teams.

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I wouldn't call you an optimist for suggesting that we should retain the current staff. Ignorant, naive and destructive, perhaps, but certainly not an optimist.

Linking our slide to a conspiracy involving Maynard and Allen is foolish. Our slide started years before they stepped foot on campus. They are not to blame for who Tedford starts at QB or the myriad of other bonehead decisions he makes. Settling for being competitive against most Pac-12 teams is not only defeatist but also completely beyond the abilities of Tedford at this point.

cal98;841965158 said:

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Unfortunately Maynard is not Jordan or Brady. So when one the worst player on the field who is constantly making mistakes himself yells at others for their mistakes, then he just looks like a douche.

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Yes. More like Jay Cutler than Michael Jordan.

GoBears58;841965282 said:

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ZM is bloody awful and not "middling" as you suggest. KA would be better with him on the pine and this board without your ridiculous insights.

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You should probably look in the mirror, big guy. It's your "contributions" which are easily ridiculed.