We're not the SEC. A mid-season firing would look bad for job security for the next coach. Except:

* JT has had the job longer than the average tenure
* Some would say JT only got to coach this year due to the contract and/or to get Year #1 in the new CMS
* Most importantly, Big Game is mid-year, and we could announce before or after Big Game with complete understanding that either JT gets Big Game Week as a farewell experience or that a big loss to Luck-less Stanford is the final straw

The only possible salvage for year #1 in new CMS is getting the axe, which is why I hope the team is told that Big Game is Tedford's last game (regardless if this is made public).

On the plus side, not only does it show that Cal is serious about winning, Sandy would be the first AD who could openly discuss a job opening at a BCS school with good facilities/conference/TV $/talent (unless Auburn goes first).

jabes;841966602 said:

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We're not the SEC. A mid-season firing would look bad for job security for the next coach. Except:

* JT has had the job longer than the average tenure
* Some would say JT only got to coach this year due to the contract and/or to get Year #1 in the new CMS
* Most importantly, Big Game is mid-year, and we could announce before or after Big Game with complete understanding that either JT gets Big Game Week as a farewell experience or that a big loss to Luck-less Stanford is the final straw

The only possible salvage for year #1 in new CMS is getting the axe, which is why I hope the team is told that Big Game is Tedford's last game (regardless if this is made public).

On the plus side, not only does it show that Cal is serious about winning, Sandy would be the first AD who could openly discuss a job opening at a BCS school with good facilities/conference/TV $/talent (unless Auburn goes first).

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Agree with them all.
Everyone in the business of football knows it, that there is no job security at the D-1 college level and up.
If you want job security, go coach a small high school that do not recruit, then you will have plenty of excuses for losing to bigger schools.
Tedford has sustained 5 1/2 years of mediocrity. That's more job security than any D-1 coach can ever dream of.

It says that now that we have a new stadium that we need to pay for we don't fear firing mid-season. While coaches come and go, that will likely make us look bad and potentially turn off HCs from wanting to coach here.

not like the kids can learn a new system in the middle of the year. I think Tedford should get the rest of this season and hopefully we have a new coach lined up and ready to go at the end of November.

firing someone in the middle of the season and then asking him to stick around until the end is disgusting, in my opinion. if you're going to cut the cord, cut it.

I don't think the next coach would worry about being fired. If he did, he wouldn't be a candidate plus he'd be fired here 10 years after he would in the SEC

I have no problems with announcing JT's retirement and letting him coach out the season. This accomplishes everything you said. There's no reason for an interim coach. The season's pretty much lost.

freshfunk;841966680 said:

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It says that now that we have a new stadium that we need to pay for we don't fear firing mid-season. While coaches come and go, that will likely make us look bad and potentially turn off HCs from wanting to coach here.

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Oh You don't have to worry about that. It would be most coaches' dream to coach for a major conference team (top 3 in the country imo) that has new facilities, talent, academic success, major metropolitan draw, good weather, and job security if you go 8-5 or 9-4 most years.

You really think we are going to have a hard time finding the next coach? Look at the talent on our roster, any coach can take us to a winning record (ala UCLA without Slick Rick)

caltripper;841966691 said:

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not like the kids can learn a new system in the middle of the year. I think Tedford should get the rest of this season and hopefully we have a new coach lined up and ready to go at the end of November.

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The only "system" i know of that takes years to learn is Tedford's advanced pro style "system"

Oregon plug and play their players all the time. Or better yet, how about give the ball to our best play makers and we will surely be more competitive/finish with a better record

Arcadiabear;841966706 said:

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Oh You don't have to worry about that. It would be most coaches' dream to coach for a major conference team (top 3 in the country imo) that has new facilities, talent, academic success, major metropolitan draw, good weather, and job security if you go 8-5 or 9-4 most years.

You really think we are going to have a hard time finding the next coach? Look at the talent on our roster, any coach can take us to a winning record (ala UCLA without Slick Rick)

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Perhaps on the initial pull yeah. But with some success under his belt any coach worth their salt is going to look at JT and negotiate a strong contract with heavy penalties for being fires abruptly. They'd be a fool to think they will have any time to have some losses and build a team if we'd fire the winningest coach so abruptly.

freshfunk;841966728 said:

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Perhaps on the initial pull yeah. But with some success under his belt any coach worth their salt is going to look at JT and negotiate a strong contract with heavy penalties for being fires abruptly. They'd be a fool to think they will have any time to have some losses and build a team if we'd fire the winningest coach so abruptly.

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How will that hurt us in any way?

There are 2 types of candidates we can go after:

1) Sign a young upstart coach with tons of energy. This coach would go for a D1 job with a name program any day, no problem there

2) Sign a veteran coach (coach worth a salt). This coach would need some incentives laden contract with some job security


In my mind that is fine. We plan to give the next coach 2 to 3 years to work out the kink anyways. If we can give Tedford 5 years of mediocrity (if you can even call it that at this point at 1-4), we can surely afford our next coach 2 to 3 years of time.

I would take firing Tedford mid season to jumpstart our program, boost recruiting, and boost ESP sales over potentially offending our next coach. I don't think we plan to fire every one of our coach mid season

IMO we should also keep the next contract at no more than 3 years to avoid putting us in this position again. Oh and don't extend the guy unless we get to a BCS bowl, or pretty soon the "playoffs"

freshfunk;841966728 said:

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They'd be a fool to think they will have any time to have some losses and build a team if we'd fire the winningest coach so abruptly.

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Tedford could be fired in the middle of practice today and it would not be abrupt. People who pay attention know that this was a long time coming, coaching candidates included.

freshfunk;841966728 said:

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Perhaps on the initial pull yeah. But with some success under his belt any coach worth their salt is going to look at JT and negotiate a strong contract with heavy penalties for being fires abruptly. They'd be a fool to think they will have any time to have some losses and build a team if we'd fire the winningest coach so abruptly.

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Tedford is the winningest coach precisely because Cal has not at all acted abruptly in replacing him, despite him being ineffective and clearly burned out for a few seasons. A school with high expectations would have fired him following the 2009 season at the latest. 11 years is a long time to achieve nothing greater than a couple Holiday Bowl appearances. Any coach worth his salt is going to look at the long leash Tedford leveraged out of a few nice seasons a long time ago and see Cal as a situation where mediocrity earns tenure for life and winning (not necessarily so) big is grounds for deification.

bearsandgiants;841966694 said:

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firing someone in the middle of the season and then asking him to stick around until the end is disgusting, in my opinion. if you're going to cut the cord, cut it.

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I agree. Let Big Game be Tedford's last game and have someone step in as interim.

Nothing abrupt about terminating JT in year 11. Including 5 years of mediocrity. Nothing at all.