The only good thing about today's debacle is that it's Tedford's last Big Game as Cal head coach. Once again he was completely outcoached. What can you say about a team that was 1 out of 14 on third down plays and had only 3 net yards rushing for the entire game? They were just overwhelmed by Stanfurd today. This season is a very unglorious end to Tedford's tenure at Cal. At least his inevitable firing will give us some hope for the future. :headbang

You play fast and loose with "inevitable."

In the second quarter, there was a frank discussion about whether or not to renew. Heck, we even stayed until the end. The conversation revolved around Tedford's retention as coach. I can't imagine our little cross-section was much different than others.

I hope this isn't Tedford's last Big Game.
Any chance after stanford fires David Shaw somewhere down the line, they'll hire Tedford to replace him? In that case, we'll know that his biggest weapons will be on the bench 90% of the times.

I'll buy into your scenario of Tedford getting more Big Games as Stanfurd's head coach. The Axe will then routinely be in Cal's possession.

Golden One;841982042 said:

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I'll buy into your scenario of Tedford getting more Big Games as Stanfurd's head coach. The Axe will then routinely be in Cal's possession.

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We got :Monty !


It's only fair if stanford gets :tedford .

GoldenYears;841982113 said:

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All I'm saying is it isn't inevitable he's fired this year.

Completely OT: Anyone watching Homeland? Saul is Inigo Montoya...I was totally blown away by that.

Golden One;841981943 said:

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The only good thing about today's debacle is that it's Tedford's last Big Game as Cal head coach. Once again he was completely outcoached. What can you say about a team that was 1 out of 14 on third down plays and had only 3 net yards rushing for the entire game? They were just overwhelmed by Stanfurd today. This season is a very unglorious end to Tedford's tenure at Cal. At least his inevitable firing will give us some hope for the future. :headbang

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Look, I get that there are plenty of reasons for wanting a new coach but let's at least articulate them properly. Tedford was not out coached today. The team was out performed. Their lines absolutely dominated us. That is horrible and Tedford is ultimately responsible for the **** poor state of affairs on the lines, especially the OL. But let's not confuse that with being out coached.

Also, Tedford is ultimately responsible for the **** poor execution. Over and above getting dominated by Furd's lines, we had three very big breakdowns that lead directly to TD. First, the special teams gave up the big punt return and the D had the stupid interference call. Second, the blown coverage that led to the 70 yard pass. Third, the fumble on a simple hand off deep in our territory.

I consider playcalling a part of coaching. I thought our play calling today was poor.
Given the strength of Stanford's defensive line, it made no sense to keep running Isi between the tackles for no yardage or negative yardage each time. So, yes, I definitely think Tedford was outcoached today. Totally outcoached. Again.

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Completely OT: Anyone watching Homeland? Saul is Inigo Montoya...I was totally blown away by that.

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I'm not, but I love Mandy Patinkin, he's a great actor. Loved him in that short-lived ER competitor, "Chicago Hope."

tequila4kapp;841982152 said:

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Look, I get that there are plenty of reasons for wanting a new coach but let's at least articulate them properly. Tedford was not out coached today. The team was out performed. Their lines absolutely dominated us. That is horrible and Tedford is ultimately responsible for the **** poor state of affairs on the lines, especially the OL. But let's not confuse that with being out coached.

Also, Tedford is ultimately responsible for the **** poor execution. Over and above getting dominated by Furd's lines, we had three very big breakdowns that lead directly to TD. First, the special teams gave up the big punt return and the D had the stupid interference call. Second, the blown coverage that led to the 70 yard pass. Third, the fumble on a simple hand off deep in our territory.

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If he didn't get outcoached, what happened? Please don't tell me you believe Stanford has vastly better players. They don't. At worst the talent is even, but JT and co. got crushed in motivation, execution, crispness, play calling, avoidance of mistakes, etc. All the indicators of coaching favored Stanford. Heavily. Put it this way, if JT and Shaw switched sidelines Cal wins, probably easily, and Shaw is a dreadful coach.

tequila4kapp;841982152 said:

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Look, I get that there are plenty of reasons for wanting a new coach but let's at least articulate them properly. Tedford was not out coached today. The team was out performed. Their lines absolutely dominated us. That is horrible and Tedford is ultimately responsible for the **** poor state of affairs on the lines, especially the OL. But let's not confuse that with being out coached.

Also, Tedford is ultimately responsible for the **** poor execution. Over and above getting dominated by Furd's lines, we had three very big breakdowns that lead directly to TD. First, the special teams gave up the big punt return and the D had the stupid interference call. Second, the blown coverage that led to the 70 yard pass. Third, the fumble on a simple hand off deep in our territory.

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Right out of the box the offensive game plan did not fit against the Furds and that cost us the game. We have the talent but can't use it. It is over for JT.

You know, all the predictors this year were predicting that we were going to be a 7-5 team at best and that was assuming a mediocre OSU team, so why is anyone surprised that we are performing at the expected level? Our O-line was questionable to start and has lived below even those expectations. We start a qb who can't seem to read defenses and can't complete simple passes and a starting rb who is undersized and makes up for that with not much quickness or speed. The D was supposed to be the strength of the team but the line has been short-staffed all year b/c of injuries and the linebackers lack both depth and talent. It's not a good sign when your leading tacklers are all from the secondary.

This year shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. Remember, the new performance center opening is 2 years behind schedule b/c of some folks sitting in young oak trees. That is 2 years of lost recruiting and that was even before a certain asst. coach bailed on us and took some people with him. It's not all the fault of the coaching staff tho the first quarter play this year of AB instead of ZM, seemingly unbeknownst to anyone but JT, ZM and staff, leaves one still shaking the old head. THat was probably a harbinger of the year to come but seriously, we were second tier material from the getgo this year.

The question will be, regarding JT's retention, how well next year's recruiting class shapes up. If there is no positive bounce in quality with the intro of the new facilities, then the reign is over. Cal alums are notoriously tight with the pocketbooks, unlike a certain U down 101 where a lot of money resides, we all didn't arrive here with silver spoons sticking out of various orifices. And rich folks didn't become or stay rich by making emotional decisions. Although JT's reign may be nearing a close, he will probably get another year, once the nepostism is done with with graduation and early declaration to the pros of the principles, to see if he can right the ship. Besides, it's been 53 years, what's one or two more?:headbang

bluepod;841982395 said:

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You know, all the predictors this year were predicting that we were going to be a 7-5 team at best and that was assuming a mediocre OSU team, so why is anyone surprised that we are performing at the expected level? Our O-line was questionable to start and has lived below even those expectations. We start a qb who can't seem to read defenses and can't complete simple passes and a starting rb who is undersized and makes up for that with not much quickness or speed. The D was supposed to be the strength of the team but the line has been short-staffed all year b/c of injuries and the linebackers lack both depth and talent. It's not a good sign when your leading tacklers are all from the secondary.

This year shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. Remember, the new performance center opening is 2 years behind schedule b/c of some folks sitting in young oak trees. That is 2 years of lost recruiting and that was even before a certain asst. coach bailed on us and took some people with him. It's not all the fault of the coaching staff tho the first quarter play this year of AB instead of ZM, seemingly unbeknownst to anyone but JT, ZM and staff, leaves one still shaking the old head. THat was probably a harbinger of the year to come but seriously, we were second tier material from the getgo this year.

The question will be, regarding JT's retention, how well next year's recruiting class shapes up. If there is no positive bounce in quality with the intro of the new facilities, then the reign is over. Cal alums are notoriously tight with the pocketbooks, unlike a certain U down 101 where a lot of money resides, we all didn't arrive here with silver spoons sticking out of various orifices. And rich folks didn't become or stay rich by making emotional decisions. Although JT's reign may be nearing a close, he will probably get another year, once the nepostism is done with with graduation and early declaration to the pros of the principles, to see if he can right the ship. Besides, it's been 53 years, what's one or two more?:headbang

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bluepod;841982395 said:

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You know, all the predictors this year were predicting that we were going to be a 7-5 team at best and that was assuming a mediocre OSU team, so why is anyone surprised that we are performing at the expected level? Our O-line was questionable to start and has lived below even those expectations. We start a qb who can't seem to read defenses and can't complete simple passes and a starting rb who is undersized and makes up for that with not much quickness or speed. The D was supposed to be the strength of the team but the line has been short-staffed all year b/c of injuries and the linebackers lack both depth and talent. It's not a good sign when your leading tacklers are all from the secondary.

This year shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. Remember, the new performance center opening is 2 years behind schedule b/c of some folks sitting in young oak trees. That is 2 years of lost recruiting and that was even before a certain asst. coach bailed on us and took some people with him. It's not all the fault of the coaching staff tho the first quarter play this year of AB instead of ZM, seemingly unbeknownst to anyone but JT, ZM and staff, leaves one still shaking the old head. THat was probably a harbinger of the year to come but seriously, we were second tier material from the getgo this year.

The question will be, regarding JT's retention, how well next year's recruiting class shapes up. If there is no positive bounce in quality with the intro of the new facilities, then the reign is over. Cal alums are notoriously tight with the pocketbooks, unlike a certain U down 101 where a lot of money resides, we all didn't arrive here with silver spoons sticking out of various orifices. And rich folks didn't become or stay rich by making emotional decisions. Although JT's reign may be nearing a close, he will probably get another year, once the nepostism is done with with graduation and early declaration to the pros of the principles, to see if he can right the ship. Besides, it's been 53 years, what's one or two more?:headbang

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I think we're all pissed off at how shi*tty this team has looked this year.

And a lot of it has to do with the coaching, the fundamentals.

The basic stuff that is so correctable, that would give us a fighting chance.

If we didn't look terrible, and we had the same record, I'd give Tedford a pass.

But a lot of what's wrong comes from the top down.

It's that kind of coaching that transformed a 1-10 team into a 7-5 team a decade ago.

Right the ship? Really? This ship has been listing for 6 years now. It is finally sinking this season. No more chances for Tedford. He's done.

thank you. It is about time someone pointed out our multimillionaire coach was EXPECTED to be terrible.

That is why you have to cut bait. Tedford is now expected to be a loser by consensus.

Give him the axe.

bluepod;841982395 said:

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You know, all the predictors this year were predicting that we were going to be a 7-5 team at best and that was assuming a mediocre OSU team, so why is anyone surprised that we are performing at the expected level? Our O-line was questionable to start and has lived below even those expectations. We start a qb who can't seem to read defenses and can't complete simple passes and a starting rb who is undersized and makes up for that with not much quickness or speed. The D was supposed to be the strength of the team but the line has been short-staffed all year b/c of injuries and the linebackers lack both depth and talent. It's not a good sign when your leading tacklers are all from the secondary.

This year shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. Remember, the new performance center opening is 2 years behind schedule b/c of some folks sitting in young oak trees. That is 2 years of lost recruiting and that was even before a certain asst. coach bailed on us and took some people with him. It's not all the fault of the coaching staff tho the first quarter play this year of AB instead of ZM, seemingly unbeknownst to anyone but JT, ZM and staff, leaves one still shaking the old head. THat was probably a harbinger of the year to come but seriously, we were second tier material from the getgo this year.

The question will be, regarding JT's retention, how well next year's recruiting class shapes up. If there is no positive bounce in quality with the intro of the new facilities, then the reign is over. Cal alums are notoriously tight with the pocketbooks, unlike a certain U down 101 where a lot of money resides, we all didn't arrive here with silver spoons sticking out of various orifices. And rich folks didn't become or stay rich by making emotional decisions. Although JT's reign may be nearing a close, he will probably get another year, once the nepostism is done with with graduation and early declaration to the pros of the principles, to see if he can right the ship. Besides, it's been 53 years, what's one or two more?:headbang

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bluepod;841982395 said:

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You know, all the predictors this year were predicting that we were going to be a 7-5 team at best and that was assuming a mediocre OSU team, so why is anyone surprised that we are performing at the expected level? Our O-line was questionable to start and has lived below even those expectations. We start a qb who can't seem to read defenses and can't complete simple passes and a starting rb who is undersized and makes up for that with not much quickness or speed. The D was supposed to be the strength of the team but the line has been short-staffed all year b/c of injuries and the linebackers lack both depth and talent. It's not a good sign when your leading tacklers are all from the secondary.

This year shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. Remember, the new performance center opening is 2 years behind schedule b/c of some folks sitting in young oak trees. That is 2 years of lost recruiting and that was even before a certain asst. coach bailed on us and took some people with him. It's not all the fault of the coaching staff tho the first quarter play this year of AB instead of ZM, seemingly unbeknownst to anyone but JT, ZM and staff, leaves one still shaking the old head. THat was probably a harbinger of the year to come but seriously, we were second tier material from the getgo this year.

The question will be, regarding JT's retention, how well next year's recruiting class shapes up. If there is no positive bounce in quality with the intro of the new facilities, then the reign is over. Cal alums are notoriously tight with the pocketbooks, unlike a certain U down 101 where a lot of money resides, we all didn't arrive here with silver spoons sticking out of various orifices. And rich folks didn't become or stay rich by making emotional decisions. Although JT's reign may be nearing a close, he will probably get another year, once the nepostism is done with with graduation and early declaration to the pros of the principles, to see if he can right the ship. Besides, it's been 53 years, what's one or two more?:headbang

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Look, I don't think anyone expected a Rose Bowl out of this team this year. Heck, I think even a middle-tier bowl was probably a little optimistic. But here are things that we DID expect, and none of them are unreasonable:

1. We expect the coaches to put their players in a position to do well. This means understanding their limitations and avoiding those situations that they are not good at. Now, is that going to be possible all the time? Of course not. It might not even be possible most of the time. It doesn't even mean that the players will be succesful. But it's their best shot to win games. Here are a few examples where this has NOT happened:
-the 1st quarter of the season debacle. I still cannot fathom how a professional coach thought it was acceptable to keep his entire team in the dark that the starting QB would be benched for the first quarter. It's just an inexcusably stupid decision
-trotting D'Amato out there 3 times against OSU when he clearly was not feeling it that day. Not only did that put him in a position where he was going to fail, it cost us a shot at the game
-refusing to play Bigelow in any meaningful way after the OSU game for 2 games. No one was arguing that he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk and should have gotten 30 touches per game. But he should have gotten more than 4 in 2 games. Even as a decoy on the field he would have been valuable. If he had trouble grasping the playbook then it is incumbent on the coaches to design plays that he CAN master.
-Maynard is not a pocket passer. Whatever success he has occurs when he is on the move. So the offense should be designed around that fact. This whole notion of forcing a pro-style offense on him is completely misguided. As an example, look at how Mike Shanahan has adapted his offense to RGIII. You play to your strengths
-the delays in play calling at the line of scrimmage are an abomination. There is a serious breakdown in communication between the coaches and the team on the field-- how can you expect the players to excel in that environment?

2. We expect the team to have discipline. It doesn't require 5 star recruits or phenomenal facilities to know not to commit penalties. Cal is atrocious this year on that front, the most penalized team in the FBS. Again, this is not memorizing a complex playbook or learning how to read defenses. This is understanding what constitutes a penalty and how to avoid those things.

3. We expect the team to play hard from the opening whistle to the final whistle. Will there be adversity? Will there be times when they want to quit and walk away from a seemingly hopeless cause? Of course. It is up to COACHING to instill an attitude that there is no quitting, that an "A" effort is an end in itself. What we don't expect is the QB of the team, the on-field leader, to take a sack by running out of bounds in a game that was still winnable, and walk to the bench with his head down.

I could go on and on but I think you get the picture. The crucial point is that the team should EXCEL at things it can control. A penalty is almost never the result of an opponent beating you (desperate holding or PI being obvious exceptions). Opponents should have no bearing on practices, team communication, team chemistry, etc.

None of these things require anything special other than hard work and determination. That being said, a team could meet these expectations to a "T" and be winless. So be it. At least they would be losing the "right" way, in a way that would point the team in the right direction while it waited for the talent to catch up. That is NOT the case now. The team looks disorganized and disinterested. That is a COACHING FAILURE, plain and simple. It's time for a change. Goodbye Tedford.

-R

bluepod;841982395 said:

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You know, all the predictors this year were predicting that we were going to be a 7-5 team at best and that was assuming a mediocre OSU team, so why is anyone surprised that we are performing at the expected level? Our O-line was questionable to start and has lived below even those expectations. We start a qb who can't seem to read defenses and can't complete simple passes and a starting rb who is undersized and makes up for that with not much quickness or speed. The D was supposed to be the strength of the team but the line has been short-staffed all year b/c of injuries and the linebackers lack both depth and talent. It's not a good sign when your leading tacklers are all from the secondary.

This year shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. Remember, the new performance center opening is 2 years behind schedule b/c of some folks sitting in young oak trees. That is 2 years of lost recruiting and that was even before a certain asst. coach bailed on us and took some people with him. It's not all the fault of the coaching staff tho the first quarter play this year of AB instead of ZM, seemingly unbeknownst to anyone but JT, ZM and staff, leaves one still shaking the old head. THat was probably a harbinger of the year to come but seriously, we were second tier material from the getgo this year.

The question will be, regarding JT's retention, how well next year's recruiting class shapes up. If there is no positive bounce in quality with the intro of the new facilities, then the reign is over. Cal alums are notoriously tight with the pocketbooks, unlike a certain U down 101 where a lot of money resides, we all didn't arrive here with silver spoons sticking out of various orifices. And rich folks didn't become or stay rich by making emotional decisions. Although JT's reign may be nearing a close, he will probably get another year, once the nepostism is done with with graduation and early declaration to the pros of the principles, to see if he can right the ship. Besides, it's been 53 years, what's one or two more?:headbang

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If expectations are so low that even a clearly awful football team can barely reach them , wouldn't that indicate to you that there is a problem? If the team is expected to go 0-12 and does so, have they really met expectations?

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thank you. It is about time someone pointed out our multimillionaire coach was EXPECTED to be terrible.

That is why you have to cut bait. Tedford is now expected to be a loser by consensus.

Give him the axe.

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Exactly. I mean it boils down to game prep and gameplan. Get your players prepared to execute a solid game plan. None of this seems to be existing in Tedfords world.

The bottom line is this though: people not close or on the periphery of the program think Tedford is a savior here, the guy that single-handedly got the facilities built.

There's no way to salvage the season though. We might beat Utah, but Oregon and Oregon State are going to brutalize us. But I guess for some, this was the expectation.

bluepod;841982395 said:

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You know, all the predictors this year were predicting that we were going to be a 7-5 team at best and that was assuming a mediocre OSU team, so why is anyone surprised that we are performing at the expected level? Our O-line was questionable to start and has lived below even those expectations. We start a qb who can't seem to read defenses and can't complete simple passes and a starting rb who is undersized and makes up for that with not much quickness or speed. The D was supposed to be the strength of the team but the line has been short-staffed all year b/c of injuries and the linebackers lack both depth and talent. It's not a good sign when your leading tacklers are all from the secondary.

This year shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. Remember, the new performance center opening is 2 years behind schedule b/c of some folks sitting in young oak trees. That is 2 years of lost recruiting and that was even before a certain asst. coach bailed on us and took some people with him. It's not all the fault of the coaching staff tho the first quarter play this year of AB instead of ZM, seemingly unbeknownst to anyone but JT, ZM and staff, leaves one still shaking the old head. THat was probably a harbinger of the year to come but seriously, we were second tier material from the getgo this year.

The question will be, regarding JT's retention, how well next year's recruiting class shapes up. If there is no positive bounce in quality with the intro of the new facilities, then the reign is over. Cal alums are notoriously tight with the pocketbooks, unlike a certain U down 101 where a lot of money resides, we all didn't arrive here with silver spoons sticking out of various orifices. And rich folks didn't become or stay rich by making emotional decisions. Although JT's reign may be nearing a close, he will probably get another year, once the nepostism is done with with graduation and early declaration to the pros of the principles, to see if he can right the ship. Besides, it's been 53 years, what's one or two more?:headbang

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I agree with you except for one thing. The people in trees didn't delay a thing. The court proceedings regarding rebuilding on a fault line delayed us for 2 years. The folks in the trees were just up there during the proceedings. The media gets this wrong all the time but us Bear fans should know the difference.

Either Tedford is not the coach (savior) he was 10 years ago or the game has changed. Perhaps both.